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mcmagic posted:Trump sent the 1st checks because he thought it would help him win and then after the election the checks had no chance to actually pass and he was loving with McConnell. If you think Trump gave a poo poo about helping americans you're a mark. (Not that Biden gives a poo poo either) i mean it doesn't matter if he did it out of love for his fellow man or out of a desire to own his posting enemies, he still sent out the checks
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Trump differed from standard Republican presidents by being louder and stupider and way less imaginative with his theft of the collective good. Dubya's cabinet destroyed the world for their grift; Trump tries to sell commemorative merch and by most accounts couldn't even manage his loving cabinet favor-trading properly, given most positions in his admin were a revolving door of whoever he was stupid enough to like that day. That's...that's probably about it, really. Trump was pretty similar to a pretty bog issue republican..... which is also loving horrific. Maybe another Republican administration would've tried to actually do something about COVID in order to get reelected? But who knows. spacemang_spliff posted:i mean it doesn't matter if he did it out of love for his fellow man or out of a desire to own his posting enemies, he still sent out the checks I don't disagree with you. It doesn't matter why. But I also think that Biden will send out the 1400 checks in March so you will get insufficient checks from both Biden and Trump. mcmagic has issued a correction as of 21:39 on Feb 21, 2021 |
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everyone that thinks trump was the worst ever had just never paid attention to how the american government functions, regardless of president, until a fat orange dumbass yelled it from the rooftops he's probably the most transparent president we've had because he was too loving stupid to know he had to hide anything
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Probably good money to be made on this if you don't mind joining the right-wing grift train tbh local man discovers one weird trick to get stimulus money during the biden administration
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mcmagic posted:Trump was pretty similar to a pretty bog issue republican..... which is also loving horrific. Maybe another Republican administration would've tried to actually do something about COVID in order to get reelected? But who knows. Yeh. Most republican politicians up until pretty recently were also process nerds, same as dems, so they'd probably at least try to appear to be doing something, but let's be clear, neither party would have handled this situation well, even barring Trump. Bush, Obama, and Trump all faced serious shortfalls of PPE in the national emergency supply set aside for such; none of them made any particular effort to do something about the problem or replenish the stock. US presidents are neoliberalism writ large, and neoliberalism is some of the worst parts of humanity writ large: every future problem is some future person's problem, and gently caress you got mine
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:OTOH having the police perform social services like delivering food to the elderly is what they should be doing instead of shooting suspicious minorities so I’m not going to even pretend to get upset about it But we don't live in a world where the police are actually good; we live in the one where "police showing up at my house" is a very good reason to be afraid. It's bad for the same reason any sort of copaganda or stories about the US military delivering aid are bad. Those things aren't getting us closer to a world where the police/military aren't harmful institutions; they're just contributing to the illusion that they're legitimate and good.
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Trump would’ve loved to have been worse but unfortunately for him and fortunately for everyone else that would’ve taken work and effort and he’d easily the laziest president we’ve ever had. Every time something ran into any sort of setback he and his people just kinda gave up.
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loquacius posted:Gonna be super honest here: Biden isn't already worse than Trump, but he won't be much better given the stuff he has already done / refused to do, and he has the potential to be worse since he's more likely to play along with the military reaching across the aisle
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Trump really could've been very popular and been reelected easily if he had been able to control himself on twitter or had done anything that was popular with anyone but his hardcore base. It's not like he could do anything that would lose him his base. But he didn't.
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yes let's post about trump some more in this, the thread about the democrats
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mcmagic posted:Trump sent the 1st checks because he thought it would help him win and then after the election the checks had no chance to actually pass and he was loving with McConnell. If you think Trump gave a poo poo about helping americans you're a mark. (Not that Biden gives a poo poo either) Love to make a post whose entire point is completely invalidated by my final sentence.
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Brain Candy posted:posting is not praxis, being 'informed' is meaningless without a mechanism for action. the idea that the interior of your head matters, that you advance goals by thinking things, or by believing, or by getting others to believe them is pure idealistic lib poo poo.  You just reformulate your ideas on the fly with no context of the previous things you've said. Which, fine, we all learn and grow, but you could at least pay me the compliment of admitting the contradiction of your previous statement.
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mcmagic posted:Yeah I don't disagree with this. I just don't see where Biden is 1000% worse than Trump. Even the stuff he's done that is awful is mostly continuation of stuff that Trump did. FWIW I still think they will send out the 1400 dollar checks which is a lie from the 2k but it's also better than the 600 Trump sent. Everyone who supports the democrat party should feel so god drat embarrassed, like, hang their head and hide in a hole levels of shame, that a rampant piece of gigantic poo poo like Donald Trump is quite literally the best US president since I've been alive. They had clinton and obama for 16 years and they only thing they did was cut government assistance programs, start wars, overthrow democratic governments, lock in "republican" tax cuts for good, refuse to help people, implement horrific right wing policy in areas like healthcare, bust unions, refuse to even support liberal bastions like gay rights until outright forced to by the courts, hand over more and more judicial power to right wing actors, brutalize immigrants more than any republican administration, and generally scold people desperate for help. At least fuckface that he is, piece of racist poo poo that he is, Donald J Tromp gave me 2 god drat checks for cold hard cash, and didn't start any new wars. Its such a loving low bar and none of the so-called "good guys" since I've been alive have even made an attempt to go under it.
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wow now that mcmagic has explained that trump didn't mean it when he gave me money i feel like the money wasn't even worth it. thanks mcmagic
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my boss doesn't want to pay me either, but he has to. should i even take the money?
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It rules how, out the six presidents in my lifetime not counting Biden, liberal antichrist Romp was at the highest 3rd worst for foreign and domestic policy behind Reagan and W. Bush. I'm only putting him that high because H.W., Clinton, and Obama hid the skeletons in their closets better, and I'm too exhausted to look deeper into them. Biden's on track to be slightly worse than Trump, because Trump was too stupid, lazy, and openly antagonistic with intelligence agencies to start a war and gave $1,800 to all Americans. Biden isn't going to materially help anyone but his top donors, and helping them means coups in South America at the very least. Trump is a stupid, lazy, racist, rapist, evil 80's business sociopath, and that description fits Buden perfectly if you swap the word "business" with "politician."
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fart simpson posted:a decade ago nobody even knew what single payer was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_health_care_reform_in_the_United_States#1970s posted:In 1970, three proposals for single-payer universal national health insurance financed by payroll taxes and general federal revenues were introduced in the U.S. Congress.
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Ytlaya posted:But we don't live in a world where the police are actually good; we live in the one where "police showing up at my house" is a very good reason to be afraid. I mean if you really thing the negative impact of this unbelievably minor cop PR is worse than the material impact of the elderly having meals delivered to them then more power to ya I guess
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thanks to the dsa, people can rediscover single payer 50 years from now because the lazy fucks wont continue pushing for it
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turn left orb mother noooo https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1363588415414030343
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:I mean if you really thing the negative impact of this unbelievably minor cop PR is worse than the material impact of the elderly having meals delivered to them then more power to ya I guess If the elderly person even opens the door. Maybe they're undocumented, maybe their kid is undocumented, maybe they just fear cops because, well, they're loving cops. I wouldn't open the door for a cop if they were carrying a crock full of my mom's broccoli cheese soup, gently caress you piggie come back with a warrant.
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lmao gently caress
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Judakel posted:wow now that mcmagic has explained that trump didn't mean it when he gave me money i feel like the money wasn't even worth it. thanks mcmagic
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frankenfreak posted:That just means Joe still owes you $2000 no matter which way you look at it.
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fart simpson posted:these things take time. be patient, a decade ago nobody even knew what single payer was Lmao tell that to Jimmy carter
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/20/neera-tanden-omb-replacement-470424quote:Two early contenders to replace Tanden are Gene Sperling, a two-time director of the National Economic Council, and Ann O’Leary, who just came off a stint serving as California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s chief of staff, Their best and brightest ghouls.
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i think it is really funny that neera might get hosed. what a loser. what a poster.
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If only I had a tenth of the posting energy Neera did. My crystal's light would never extinguish.
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fart simpson posted:these things take time. be patient, a decade ago nobody even knew what single payer was   ...   https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/abs/10.1377/hlthaff.14.4.62?journalCode=hlthaff
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hm, so these people say that even though America has problems with vaccinating black people at much lower rates than white people, Israel can't possibly have the same problem, because it's anti-Semitic to tell the statistical-exaggeration form of joke about their racism that might be told about a foreign comedian about America https://twitter.com/adamsalberg/status/1363532754743361540
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Raskolnikov38 posted:everyone that thinks trump was the worst ever had just never paid attention to how the american government functions, regardless of president, until a fat orange dumbass yelled it from the rooftops even his mercenaries trying to overthrow the venezuelan government had instagram accounts
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PhilippAchtel posted:You just reformulate your ideas on the fly with no context of the previous things you've said. Which, fine, we all learn and grow, but you could at least pay me the compliment of admitting the contradiction of your previous statement. nope, there's no contradiction argue with a liberal for five minutes that doesn't support m4a. if you press, you'll see all the goop this thread is dedicating to hating leak out. almost invariably the following will be true: either they are young and have always been healthy, or they currently have health insurance. this is because lived experience and material conditions are prior to ideas if you are dick cheney. you are against gay marriage until you find out you have a gay daughter. if you are nancy reagan you oppose stem cell research until it might help your husband. if your spine melts and you almost kill yourself, you want m4a. if your brother gets killed by the secret police, you want to overthrow the government. kids in cages are bad until the person you culturally identify with is keeping them successful socialists revolutions had vanguard parties precisely because they recognized what a waste of time it was to try to get everyone on board, even within a larger socialist movement. this does not preclude discussions of tactics but it does indicate that yelling about succ is of limited use beyond catharsis
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Eggplant Squire posted:Lol they haven't even done a single of of those progressive things before the goalposts can even be moved unless I missed the $1400 check or some statement on ICE. sticking specifically to $600+$1400 instead of $600+$2000 means they are specifically grounding their policies around trump's rhetoric lol
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comedyblissoption posted:a reminder that the $1400 checks are literally a trump policy position and trump pushing for it is the only reason it is even in the discourse Oh yeah I remember the story of how the Biden admin got the Dems to agree to $600 and you had Squad members like Omar tweeting about how awesome it was and then Trump hosed it all up.
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it's actually worse than trump's rhetoric since i do not think trump implied the $1400 checks should have more means testing than the $600 checks he issued under his administration
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Lib and let die posted:https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/20/neera-tanden-omb-replacement-470424 gene sperling was the obama economics adviser who reassured Willa Rogers has issued a correction as of 00:54 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Willa Rogers posted:also lol that it took me weeks to find this thread bc I refused to mentally process the dems being good. Welcome back, Willa. I was wondering where you were! Edit: I love the Dems! Love 'em!
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Raskolnikov38 posted:other than saying the quiet parts loud with his various bans and the wall, how was trump different from your bog standard republican
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