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Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

Yinlock posted:

I just can't write off the titanic amount of needless suffering as "well nothing i can do"

well that's the heart of it right, what is to be done?

there may be nothing at this moment that you can do. literally nothing. you didn't make these conditions and things are going to happen largely out of your control. accepting that is hard and goes completely against the lib in your head that thinks the world works by heroic narrative, that if more people believed the right things that the world would be good

posting is not praxis, being 'informed' is meaningless without a mechanism for action. the idea that the interior of your head matters, that you advance goals by thinking things, or by believing, or by getting others to believe them is pure idealistic lib poo poo. to be a materialist is to accept that people hold ideas because of conditions: holding ideas can not be a question of virtue, because there was never any choice in holding them

the difference between two people, one who is angry about the titanic cruelty and posts all day and one who doesn't give a poo poo at all is basically Thoughts and Prayers. just like the religious case in those are a substitute, an indulgence for the ego to cover for the psychic cost of inaction

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BitcoinRockefeller
May 11, 2003

God gave me my money.

Hair Elf

Every month they zoom out until the picture looks like the fall of saigon, he's letting us know he's given up already, a good picture.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream
Working on a new opinion that the pandemic started after the DNC pushed biden over the top in the primary and thus this is God's punishment against us for shunning the righteous path of the first step to communism

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


Chris James 2 posted:

Expanding the amount of cages you can put kids in is progressive

https://twitter.com/AHomayouniVA/status/1363363978202726400?s=20

but the guy's loving peter daou

he did everything liberals wanted, an absolute zealot for the cause, but now that he's had the temerity to ask why all his work for them hasn't paid off...

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Brain Candy posted:

well that's the heart of it right, what is to be done?

there may be nothing at this moment that you can do. literally nothing. you didn't make these conditions and things are going to happen largely out of your control. accepting that is hard and goes completely against the lib in your head that thinks the world works by heroic narrative, that if more people believed the right things that the world would be good

posting is not praxis, being 'informed' is meaningless without a mechanism for action. the idea that the interior of your head matters, that you advance goals by thinking things, or by believing, or by getting others to believe them is pure idealistic lib poo poo. to be a materialist is to accept that people hold ideas because of conditions: holding ideas can not be a question of virtue, because there was never any choice in holding them

the difference between two people, one who is angry about the titanic cruelty and posts all day and one who doesn't give a poo poo at all is basically Thoughts and Prayers. just like the religious case in those are a substitute, an indulgence for the ego to cover for the psychic cost of inaction

sometimes you read a galaxy brain meme in post form

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Brain Candy posted:

well that's the heart of it right, what is to be done?

there may be nothing at this moment that you can do. literally nothing. you didn't make these conditions and things are going to happen largely out of your control. accepting that is hard and goes completely against the lib in your head that thinks the world works by heroic narrative, that if more people believed the right things that the world would be good

posting is not praxis, being 'informed' is meaningless without a mechanism for action. the idea that the interior of your head matters, that you advance goals by thinking things, or by believing, or by getting others to believe them is pure idealistic lib poo poo. to be a materialist is to accept that people hold ideas because of conditions: holding ideas can not be a question of virtue, because there was never any choice in holding them

the difference between two people, one who is angry about the titanic cruelty and posts all day and one who doesn't give a poo poo at all is basically Thoughts and Prayers. just like the religious case in those are a substitute, an indulgence for the ego to cover for the psychic cost of inaction

again, and for the 40,000th time, when did I say I thought posting was substantive work for The Cause

holy poo poo people keep saying this and it's not something i've ever loving thought

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Salean posted:

did biden cure cancer yet

Where the gently caress is my cure for cancer Joe!

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Am I wearing a shirt that says "I AM THE ONLY TRUE WARRIOR COME AND CHALLENGE ME"

for gently caress's sake stop assuming I think of myself a mighty warrior, I am not this cool

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Brain Candy posted:

well that's the heart of it right, what is to be done?

there may be nothing at this moment that you can do. literally nothing. you didn't make these conditions and things are going to happen largely out of your control. accepting that is hard and goes completely against the lib in your head that thinks the world works by heroic narrative, that if more people believed the right things that the world would be good

posting is not praxis, being 'informed' is meaningless without a mechanism for action. the idea that the interior of your head matters, that you advance goals by thinking things, or by believing, or by getting others to believe them is pure idealistic lib poo poo. to be a materialist is to accept that people hold ideas because of conditions: holding ideas can not be a question of virtue, because there was never any choice in holding them

the difference between two people, one who is angry about the titanic cruelty and posts all day and one who doesn't give a poo poo at all is basically Thoughts and Prayers. just like the religious case in those are a substitute, an indulgence for the ego to cover for the psychic cost of inaction

shut the gently caress up lib

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017



World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


i am willing to take the sacred charge of saying that posting is praxis. i will be the succ zone's praxis eater, and with such sustenance my dread power shall wax anew

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
Yinloooooock

Come out to plaaaa-aaaay

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china
just want to thank Joe Biden for saving the economy and the public from big dicked misogynist Bernie Sanders, who wanted to brainwash the youth into storming Wall St forcing libs to wear manbuns, which are basically Manchu queues

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Fleetwood posted:

just want to thank Joe Biden for saving the economy and the public from big dicked misogynist Bernie Sanders, who wanted to brainwash the youth into storming Wall St forcing libs to wear manbuns, which are basically Manchu queues
:hmmyes:

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Neera Tanden blew up her own OMB nomination because of bad tweets, and people have the temerity to suggest that posting isn't praxis?

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

spacemang_spliff posted:

shut the gently caress up lib

turn your monitor on

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

Yinlock posted:

Am I wearing a shirt that says "I AM THE ONLY TRUE WARRIOR COME AND CHALLENGE ME"

for gently caress's sake stop assuming I think of myself a mighty warrior, I am not this cool


nerd you wrote these words

Yinlock posted:

I just take issue with the whole smug ironic laid-back thing, as if feeling nothing is somehow superior to losing your mind

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Yinlock posted:

weird niche demographics like that always end up scooped up by fash at some point

Oh, it's definitely the fishhook in action eventually.


gradenko_2000 posted:

Neera Tanden blew up her own OMB nomination because of bad tweets, and people have the temerity to suggest that posting isn't praxis?

still loving lol that she may be thrown under the bus as a sacrifice to blue dogs who think she's an actual leftist

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Brain Candy posted:

turn your monitor on

never

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


loquacius posted:

https://twitter.com/SvDeng/status/1363142057536151554

imagine thinking that Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi don't get credit for things and stay out of the news

e: or that they do work LOL

Joe's dumb rear end didn't even stream himself playing mario kart for donations, the bare minimum

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Stringent posted:

why? what is being checked in accomplishing other than loving up your mental health?

Arguing a.k.a. being mad online accomplishes a few things:

1) It gives you a chance to polish your rhetoric and build confidence for real world engagement.

2) Some are skeptical, but it really does educate and radicalize third-party observers.

3) It's entertaining.

It shouldn't be all you do unless you can't do anything else, but it's not worthless either.

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

Ghost Leviathan posted:

still loving lol that she may be thrown under the bus as a sacrifice to blue dogs who think she's an actual leftist

it's hilarious, to be a remora that never did anything meaningful except coast in the shadow of the bloated corpse that is hillary clinton only to be caught in a net at the 11th hour because of mean tweets

i take it back posting is praxis

Programmer Humor
Nov 27, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Atrocious Joe posted:

Where the gently caress is my cure for cancer Joe!

curing cancer wouldn't be fair to the people who already had it, so it makes sense to do nothing instead

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

i don't think anything so pettily funny has happened since Boehner stabbed Ted Cruz, and I am here for it

(e.w. eating poo poo was funny but completely predictable to everyone except her)

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Brain Candy posted:


(e.w. eating poo poo was funny but completely predictable to everyone except her)

that's what made it even funnier

Elevons.Design
Feb 7, 2021

Brain Candy posted:

well that's the heart of it right, what is to be done?

there may be nothing at this moment that you can do. literally nothing. you didn't make these conditions and things are going to happen largely out of your control. accepting that is hard and goes completely against the lib in your head that thinks the world works by heroic narrative, that if more people believed the right things that the world would be good

posting is not praxis, being 'informed' is meaningless without a mechanism for action. the idea that the interior of your head matters, that you advance goals by thinking things, or by believing, or by getting others to believe them is pure idealistic lib poo poo. to be a materialist is to accept that people hold ideas because of conditions: holding ideas can not be a question of virtue, because there was never any choice in holding them

the difference between two people, one who is angry about the titanic cruelty and posts all day and one who doesn't give a poo poo at all is basically Thoughts and Prayers. just like the religious case in those are a substitute, an indulgence for the ego to cover for the psychic cost of inaction

Praxis is knowing that there are others out there like you and thinking of a way to work together.

The harshest cruelty can create the most beautiful ideas, so I guess I'm not a materialist. One of my favorite teacher memories was in a poetry class. I made a joke about how the German language sounds so harsh, I didn't think I could take poetry in the tongue seriously. My teacher told me she doesn't agree with that, but it took her a long time to appreciate the language's beauty after she left the concentration camp.

So I disagree with the thought that thoughts don't matter. But I agree with your sentiment that thoughts and prayers are enough. So my praxis is to say that; we can work together, internet person. :)

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Brain Candy posted:

well that's the heart of it right, what is to be done?

there may be nothing at this moment that you can do. literally nothing. you didn't make these conditions and things are going to happen largely out of your control. accepting that is hard and goes completely against the lib in your head that thinks the world works by heroic narrative, that if more people believed the right things that the world would be good

posting is not praxis, being 'informed' is meaningless without a mechanism for action. the idea that the interior of your head matters, that you advance goals by thinking things, or by believing, or by getting others to believe them is pure idealistic lib poo poo. to be a materialist is to accept that people hold ideas because of conditions: holding ideas can not be a question of virtue, because there was never any choice in holding them

So why did all those revolutionary socialist spill so much ink on the subject if material conditions inexorably determine your beliefs?

The answer is that conditions make you predisposed to certain thought, but without organizing principles and education, it's all chaotic miasma. Reading, thinking, and yes, posting sharpen chaotic impulses into precise thoughts.

Moralizing is wrong, true, but you go too far in the opposite direction. Your materialism is too vulgar.

WorkerThread
Feb 15, 2012

PhilippAchtel posted:

So why did all those revolutionary socialist spill so much ink on the subject if material conditions inexorably determine your beliefs?

The answer is that conditions make you predisposed to certain thought, but without organizing principles and education, it's all chaotic miasma. Reading, thinking, and yes, posting sharpen chaotic impulses into precise thoughts.

Moralizing is wrong, true, but you go too far in the opposite direction. Your materialism is too vulgar.

good response

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

my actual name is alarumklok. I am a catoblepas in real life. what you see here in this thread is the whole of our identities. posting is indeed praxis

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Programmer Humor posted:

curing cancer wouldn't be fair to the people who already had it, so it makes sense to do nothing instead

If we cured cancer, Rush Limbaugh would still be alive. Do we really want to cure men like Rush? The disease is horrific, but curing everyone means that some bad people will be helped.

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

Eggplant Squire posted:

It's the sort of thing a legitimate primary opponent would have attacked him on but for some reason Sanders did not.

biden_career.txt

Adjectivist Philosophy
Oct 6, 2003

When you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.

loquacius posted:

Fetterman does strike me as the kind of guy who always wears basketball shorts and nobody can get him to stop

Finally a politician that I can relate to

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

Elevons.Design posted:

Praxis is knowing that there are others out there like you and thinking of a way to work together.

The harshest cruelty can create the most beautiful ideas, so I guess I'm not a materialist. One of my favorite teacher memories was in a poetry class. I made a joke about how the German language sounds so harsh, I didn't think I could take poetry in the tongue seriously. My teacher told me she doesn't agree with that, but it took her a long time to appreciate the language's beauty after she left the concentration camp.

So I disagree with the thought that thoughts don't matter. But I agree with your sentiment that thoughts and prayers are enough. So my praxis is to say that; we can work together, internet person. :)

serious mode on!

it's not that ideas don't matter, it's that they are not prior to experience. that is you don't start out being able to have any idea you you want, you have experiences which determine which ideas you can accept. if you've been in a concentration camp you can't find beauty in german immediately after you leave, and it has nothing to do with the potential for beauty in the language

this is why the revelatory idea of truth is flawed, and why you can argue with libs all day about how things are evil and it just bounces off. it's not that you just haven't found the perfect argument yet, it's that conditions in the person's life weren't such that the idea can be accepted. conditions can change, so you can't write everyone off completely, but you also can't force anything

you don't have the power to move the rock up the hill, all you have is the ability to shift the course a little when it comes down. this can still make a vast difference in the outcome, but it also means you are unable to choose when anything happens

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

alarumklok posted:

my actual name is alarumklok. I am a catoblepas in real life. what you see here in this thread is the whole of our identities. posting is indeed praxis

That's clearly a Gorgon from Heroes of Might and Magic III

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

That's clearly a Gorgon from Heroes of Might and Magic III

a man of culture I see

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

wiping the board of Castle nerds week 1 is praxis

Baller Ina
Oct 21, 2010

:whattheeucharist:

The phrasing makes it sound like he wants it to be over, lol

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

galenanorth posted:

It seems like not enough people know that Joe Biden voted for not allowing student loans to be discharged in the first place, on top of preventing tens of thousands of families from not declaring bankruptcy right before the 2008 recession

oh yeah I had this discussion with him when he was doing it, but after half a year of not having to pay his loans anymore he was just in full-on "I'm free forever!" mode

I'm making jokes but it sucks because he needed the car and I know he wasn't having an easy time with his loan payments as-is, so he's hosed when he needs to pay for both again

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

PhilippAchtel posted:

So why did all those revolutionary socialist spill so much ink on the subject if material conditions inexorably determine your beliefs?

i think ultimately because it's a brutal fact to know, everyone wants to be able to force things when they want them. lenin caught a ton of poo poo for it and almost missed out on 1918, but I think he was basically correct in his caution (see also the ultimate failure of the USSR decades later because of a failure to launch in germany that doomed the USSR to a constant grinding siege)

PhilippAchtel posted:

The answer is that conditions make you predisposed to certain thought, but without organizing principles and education, it's all chaotic miasma. Reading, thinking, and yes, posting sharpen chaotic impulses into precise thoughts.

if i didn't believe this i wouldn't be posting at anyone here so i agree?

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spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
lol

https://twitter.com/FabSocialist/status/1363298568904310786?s=20

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