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Boxturret posted:Can you get four pips if you're in science/medical/engineering or is that solely for command? Yes. The pips (like our current stripes) are just a symbol of rank, not position or task. There's literally Dentist Admirals in the US Navy as we speak.
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Powered Descent posted:This actually does come up later on in the series. Dr. Crusher holds the rank of Commander, and is definitely in charge of sickbay, but she's not a bridge officer so she'd only be called upon to take command under very unusual circumstances. Same thing goes for Troi, who's a Lt. Commander. Crusher loving nails command too when she's put in charge, including disobeying orders in order to Do The Right Thing and keeping morale. She's actually a pretty awesome example of putting a woman on equal terms with the men and being able to get her way without it being because of stupid gender stereotypes. Meanwhile, when Troi gets command she doesn't know what to do and basically has to get O'Brien and Ro to tell her how to be in command. She really should have just put O'Brien in charge (not Ro because she would have somehow attacked Cardassia). Troi as a character in general annoys me because her entire thing is being an empath, and pretty much every useful thing she does if tied to that ability, which is also very gender conforming. This has been a women's studies reading of a show no women watches.
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Feb 26, 2021 22:35
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BonHair posted:She really should have just put O'Brien in charge (not Ro because she would have somehow attacked Cardassia). I think that would have been a likely outcome either way. To be fair, I complained about this exact thing when I saw it and S7E16 “Thine Own Self” does address that somewhat. Deanna Troi was criminally underutilized in the earlier seasons and they only start to gain some ground on that in like the very last season.
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Feb 26, 2021 22:44
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Speaking of Rho, I just saw the first episode she appears in (S05E03). I liked the way that Picard put the secure channel message through on the main bridge screen just so he could own the admiral in public as a supreme power move.
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Feb 26, 2021 22:47
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BonHair posted:Crusher loving nails command too when she's put in charge, including disobeying orders in order to Do The Right Thing and keeping morale. She's actually a pretty awesome example of putting a woman on equal terms with the men and being able to get her way without it being because of stupid gender stereotypes. *alien spends 7 minutes screaming at Picard* Troi: Captain I sense anger
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Feb 26, 2021 22:55
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a neat cape posted:*alien spends 7 minutes screaming at Picard*
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Feb 26, 2021 23:06
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Minidust posted:Spock was a captain in at least some of the TOS movies, though I have no idea offhand if the implication was that he commanded a ship between movies or what Spock was the captain of the Enterprise as of The Wrath of Khan, and held the rank of captain through the remainder of the TOS movies. Ironically, he lost his command because he came back from the dead. 
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Feb 26, 2021 23:09
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Still doing the 'no women watch Trek joke' really? Meh I like Crusher a lot but it's a shame Tasha's death left the TNG Enterprise with women only in caregiving roles.
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Feb 26, 2021 23:23
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BonHair posted:Meanwhile, when Troi gets command she doesn't know what to do and basically has to get O'Brien and Ro to tell her how to be in command.
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Feb 26, 2021 23:34
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Sash! posted:Yes. So Starfleet Dental is 100% Canon? I KNEW IT!
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Feb 26, 2021 23:41
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In the real life military, medical officer ranks aren't really the same as normal officer ranks. They can come into the military at a higher rank if they are a bigshot medical person or whatever. For that reason, they only have authority over other officers and enlisted in their unit, and can't be in charge of people in other areas. I guess the main reason this would come up is in a POW situation or whatever. A medical officer can't be in charge of infantry prisoners, but an intel officer could be.
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Feb 27, 2021 00:18
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Zedd posted:O'Brien having to for lack of better term mansplain her rank to her owns. I like that she shouldn't/wouldn't be in charge in that situation, but O'Brien disagreed with Ro who outranks him, so he rules-lawyered his friend who just happens to have more pips on her collar into taking command because he knows she'd have to consult him on any decisions not involving the emotional well-being of the crew.
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Feb 27, 2021 00:52
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Yvonmukluk posted:So Starfleet Dental is 100% Canon? I KNEW IT! Yes. This is one of the most improbable looking military unit names around: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Dental_Battalion
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Feb 27, 2021 01:12
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Cojawfee posted:I guess the main reason this would come up is in a POW situation or whatever. I believe they're authorized to given orders in a medical emergency, like carrying people out of the area and so on.
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Feb 27, 2021 01:17
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Hey hey Troi was very instrumental at being condescending to Data. "Data, are you being egotistical?" "No Consular, and if you listened the other 4,938 times I told you, I do not have emotions, nor an ego"
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Feb 27, 2021 01:21
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Troi was just waiting for the A-team to go in the conference room so she could watch football on the big screen.
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Feb 27, 2021 01:35
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It would have been funnier if Noonien Soong had told Data that he had emotions the entire time, he was just programmed to think he wasn't.
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Feb 27, 2021 01:47
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Data obviously had emotions
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Feb 27, 2021 01:55
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The emotion chip just made him act like an rear end in a top hat like his dad
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Feb 27, 2021 01:57
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Royal Updog posted:The emotion chip just made him act like an rear end in a top hat like his dad "Oh you're talking like, love, hope, joy, I see. Nah son, nah; the only feelin' worth feelin' is wanting to get yer dick wet and gettin' yer dick wet"
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Feb 27, 2021 02:11
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Star Trek Picard shows that love, family and friendship suck when you can instead have space battles and romulan spec ops. 
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Feb 27, 2021 03:04
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Minidust posted:Spock was a captain in at least some of the TOS movies, though I have no idea offhand if the implication was that he commanded a ship between movies or what Timby posted:Spock was the captain of the Enterprise as of The Wrath of Khan, and held the rank of captain through the remainder of the TOS movies. Scotty was also a "Captain of Engineering" whatever that is so in VI during the final 5 year mission the 1701-A had 3 captains onboard.
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Feb 27, 2021 05:38
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Powered Descent posted:This actually does come up later on in the series. Dr. Crusher holds the rank of Commander, and is definitely in charge of sickbay, but she's not a bridge officer so she'd only be called upon to take command under very unusual circumstances. Same thing goes for Troi, who's a Lt. Commander. No, she explicitly is a bridge officer, it comes up in "Descent" and "Thine Own Self". In the latter episode she explicitly talks with Troi about taking the bridge officer's exam to become a full commander and holding the night watch now and then to keep her command skills fresh. BonHair posted:Crusher loving nails command too when she's put in charge, including disobeying orders in order to Do The Right Thing and keeping morale. She's actually a pretty awesome example of putting a woman on equal terms with the men and being able to get her way without it being because of stupid gender stereotypes. HopperUK posted:Meh I like Crusher a lot but it's a shame Tasha's death left the TNG Enterprise with women only in caregiving roles. I agree, it's really too bad they only developed that aspect of her character so late in the series. It would've been cool if a few other times she was the ranking officer in a crisis and got to take charge like a boss, or once or twice in the movies instead of being fancy set dressing. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Feb 27, 2021 |
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Scotty's rank is strange in the later movies. I think he's back to wearing a commander's insignia in Generations and at the end of Voyage Home, but he's wearing command white in Final Frontier and most of TUC, but then engineering gold with a captain's insignia when they beam down to Khitomer at the end of Undiscovered Country.
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Feb 27, 2021 05:49
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HopperUK posted:Still doing the 'no women watch Trek joke' really? With Denise Crosby and Gates McFadden leaving the show in/after Season 1, and Marina Sirtis strongly considering following them out the door because she was grossed out by what a sexpest Rick Berman was and how useless her role was, TNG was on the precipice of starting its second season with NO women on its main cast period.
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LongDarkNight posted:Looking For Par'mach In All The Wrong Places" is the most horny. Worf is horny for Grilka, Quark is horny for Grilka, Kira and Obrien are uncomfortably horny for each other and Keiko is okay with it, Dax is horny for Worf and has her way with him. Quark and Dax get a few broken bones for their pleasure. Kira and O'Brien narrowly avoid going to gently caress cabin. The whole thing is one hot sticky mess. Grilka is extremely hot too
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Cat Hatter posted:I like that she shouldn't/wouldn't be in charge in that situation, but O'Brien disagreed with Ro who outranks him, so he rules-lawyered his friend who just happens to have more pips on her collar into taking command because he knows she'd have to consult him on any decisions not involving the emotional well-being of the crew. Ro outranked O'Brien at the time? I get he must suffer for he is O'Brien but she was a simple ensign at the time she was introduced. What was O'Brien even doing near the Bridge if he was lower rank. I know he did get promoted at some point but does this mean my boy Nog outranked him by the end of DS9?
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Zedd posted:Ro outranked O'Brien at the time? I get he must suffer for he is O'Brien but she was a simple ensign at the time she was introduced. What was O'Brien even doing near the Bridge if he was lower rank. O'Brien was enlisted, he wasn't a commissioned officer. He was high ranking enlisted, but all the officers outrank him. They joke in DS9 about how Nog's gonna outrank him at one point. The idea at the start of TNG was that the concept of enlisted had fallen by the wayside and everyone was ensign or higher, and the idea of what an officer was had kinda changed over the years in the same way that a university degree today is very different to a degree 300 years ago, but then later on after Rodenberry was gone they reintroduced the idea of enlisted.
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He was the only enlisted person as far as I can remember.
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Cojawfee posted:He was the only enlisted person as far as I can remember. Crewman Simon Tarses from "The Drumhead" was enlisted. There were a few others in Voyager but that's the only other TNG example I can recall. Edit: okay there are a bunch more in TNG but they're mostly background or one-line roles. They have no pops on their collars at all and you sometimes see them wearing the S1-S2 uniforms with the collar line even in later seasons. Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Feb 27, 2021 |
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McSpanky posted:No, she explicitly is a bridge officer, it comes up in "Descent" and "Thine Own Self". In the latter episode she explicitly talks with Troi about taking the bridge officer's exam to become a full commander and holding the night watch now and then to keep her command skills fresh. That's exactly the episode I was thinking of, where she talks about how she just recently took the test, which inspires Troi to do the same. Or am I misremembering that scene? I suppose it's possible she was talking about having done it years ago. I'll have to re-watch. (And I guess that decides tonight's Netflix selection.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Z304OmLVE Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BonHair posted:Crusher loving nails command too when she's put in charge, including disobeying orders in order to Do The Right Thing and keeping morale. She's actually a pretty awesome example of putting a woman on equal terms with the men and being able to get her way without it being because of stupid gender stereotypes. I dont know if this is true or just a star trek urban legend but apparently Crusher never misses a phaser shot in the whole of TNG.
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Dysgenesis posted:I dont know if this is true or just a star trek urban legend but apparently Crusher never misses a phaser shot in the whole of TNG. It's all in the writing, she's definitely a very perfect person in every way, so I don't doubt it, although she rarely uses a phaser. But she somehow manages to not be a completely boring Mary Sue type character either. I guess I just really enjoy her. Just like Picard should have done. Meanwhile, I also would believe that Troi never misses on account of never shooting at all. And while I'm posting: sorry about the women don't watch Trek joke. I'm dumb.
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She's the only one smart enough not to turn off auto-aim. More seriously, I would imagine that the writers don't have her firing very often, so we don't see her miss. Does Guinan ever fire a phaser aside from that one holodeck shooting range bit?
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Guinan fires a blast into the ceiling of Ten Forward like an Ancient West bartender  Crusher blows a hole straight through that one guy 
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Feb 27, 2021 21:57
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She's got a surgeon's hands, of course she's got steady aim.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Does Guinan ever fire a phaser aside from that one holodeck shooting range bit? She shoots her confetti gun into the air in 10 forward once I think Efb WilWheaton fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Feb 28, 2021 |
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CPColin posted:Guinan fires a blast into the ceiling of Ten Forward like an Ancient West bartender WilWheaton posted:She shoots her confetti gun into the air in 10 forward once I think Every time I see that clip I just think that some poor bastard up on Deck 9 just got a plasma bolt straight up their rear end from that.
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Powered Descent posted:That's exactly the episode I was thinking of, where she talks about how she just recently took the test, which inspires Troi to do the same. Yup, I got it totally wrong, Bev explicitly says it was eight years ago. A few more slip-ups like this and I'll be a candidate for Mauk-to'Vor.
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