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nine-gear crow posted:Every time I see that clip I just think that some poor bastard up on Deck 9 just got a plasma bolt straight up their rear end from that. Maybe the ceiling is armored, for just that reason.
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HopperUK posted:Still doing the 'no women watch Trek joke' really? For real. Of course women watch Star Trek! We just don't give a gently caress about these extremely specific ship specs y'all keep posting constantly
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Feb 28, 2021 03:25
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nine-gear crow posted:Every time I see that clip I just think that some poor bastard up on Deck 9 just got a plasma bolt straight up their rear end from that. According to the post-Probert slight redesign of the ship for the four foot model, Picard’s quarters are directly above Ten Forward.
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Feb 28, 2021 03:43
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jeeves posted:According to the post-Probert slight redesign of the ship for the four foot model, Picard’s quarters are directly above Ten Forward. Computer: tea, Earl Grey, ho-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!
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Feb 28, 2021 04:12
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showbiz_liz posted:For real. Of course women watch Star Trek! Missing out on the best part of star trek: the space ship engineering porn. Also this reminds me we need a new big fleet battle video game from star trek. God drat why did they stop making those.
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Feb 28, 2021 04:20
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nine-gear crow posted:Computer: tea, Earl Grey, ho-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!! I imagine it went something like that part in the first season of the Expanse with a character’s head versus a rail gun round.
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Feb 28, 2021 05:09
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Probably because they're stupidly expensive and no one bought them. Your best bet is probably third-party mods, like the Armada 3 one for Sins of a Solar Empire, or New Horizons for Stellaris (though I personally haven't played the latter). There's also a mod for Homeworld Remastered called Continuum, but I have absolutely no earthly idea how well the Trek model translates to the Homeworld engine.
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Feb 28, 2021 05:39
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Axe-man posted:Also this reminds me we need a new big fleet battle video game from star trek. God drat why did they stop making those. They kinda stopped making Trek games overall. There's one every few years and then there's regular mobile F2P gachapushers. Timby posted:Probably because they're stupidly expensive and no one bought them. Your best bet is probably third-party mods, like the Armada 3 one for Sins of a Solar Empire, or New Horizons for Stellaris (though I personally haven't played the latter). There's also a mod for Homeworld Remastered called Continuum, but I have absolutely no earthly idea how well the Trek model translates to the Homeworld engine. I still think the best odds for a good Trek game from a studio would basically be an official version of this, just commission a game maker with a good engine and proven design to basically make a Trek total conversion game. Saves money and has a better chance of being good. Unfortunately, the entire genre has been teetering lately so there's not that many options.
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Feb 28, 2021 05:41
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MikeJF posted:They kinda stopped making Trek games overall. There's one every few years and then there's regular mobile F2P gachapushers. so like that age of empires star wars reskin? Tunicate fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Feb 28, 2021 |
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Feb 28, 2021 05:46
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MikeJF posted:They kinda stopped making Trek games overall. In the late 90s/early 2000s before the two companies split, they had Activision making a bunch of Trek games. I understand there were some kind of legal issues which led to Activision losing the license, but Trek gaming has never been the same since.
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Feb 28, 2021 08:06
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FlamingLiberal posted:I've gotten the feeling that both Paramount and CBS (before Viacom re-merged a year or two ago) could never figure out how to properly merchandise Trek. Also I wouldn't exactly trust Modern Activision or any of its subsidiaries to try and make a Star Trek game of any stripe in this day and age.
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Feb 28, 2021 08:21
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FlamingLiberal posted:I've gotten the feeling that both Paramount and CBS (before Viacom re-merged a year or two ago) could never figure out how to properly merchandise Trek. That's pretty obvious. There's a sonic screwdriver in every single nerd and game store but I had to go out of my way to find and order decent commbadge to put on my desk. Lego star wars models make the news and are featured in movies and trek is fobbed off on megabloks. It's pretty clear it was a gently caress-it minimal effort and an absolute waste of an incredibly monetisable fandom. The golden age of Activision games was probably more because Activision having the licence and being a broad cross-genre publisher meant that Activision would pitch the games and make arrangements for them and CBS/Paramount would just go 'okay', and then when they lost it games stopped because it'd mean that paramount/CBS would've had to arrange stuff and they were too busy not doing anything so stuff stopped happening. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Feb 28, 2021 |
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Feb 28, 2021 08:28
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jeeves posted:According to the post-Probert slight redesign of the ship for the four foot model, Picard’s quarters are directly above Ten Forward. This seems like either evidence of superior insulation from sound or terrible planning. If it's anything like an apartment, Picard would be able to hear any party down there, which would both keep him grumpy and let him chew out whoever was there. And the parties would probably moderate themselves for that reason. Also they're doing shifts, so parties at all hours. The Enterprise is a party boat in my headcannon, yes.
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Feb 28, 2021 08:52
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MikeJF posted:That's pretty obvious. There's a sonic screwdriver in every single nerd and game store but I had to go out of my way to find and order decent commbadge to put on my desk. Lego star wars models make the news and are featured in movies and trek is fobbed off on megabloks. It's pretty clear it was a gently caress-it minimal effort and an absolute waste of an incredibly monetisable fandom. Not to cut CBS/Paramount any slack, but it was a hell of a lot easier to market Trek games and toys back in the ~1989-2002 heyday of Berman Trek than it is now. Which is not a knock on Disco or Lower Decks etc, it’s just that a franchise that currently only debuts on a small niche streaming service and has no current or future theatrical presence is never going to be able to market that license to big boys like EA, Lego, etc. The closest it’s come since the early 2000s was during the 2009-2012 era when the first two JJ movies came out and you had a new Playmates toy line and the Square Enix game, but both sucked and were quickly forgotten. So it’s kinda two-fold in that 1) it’s impossible to build a big fanbase when your show only comes out in the US on a streaming service no one cares about and 2) even if it wasn’t, you’re still never going to match the absolutely massive popularity that Trek had in the 90s.
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I don't entirely disagree, but keep in mind that your target audience isn't "everyone" but "nerrrrrds with too much money". Lego Trek would just be generic space ships to kids (which is cool) but also sell well to manchildren. And obviously you'd want your merch in the high end adult (no, not like that*) toy category. Like com badges, tricorders, uniforms, possibly prosthetics (just get regular elf ears for space elves). And also high quality models, but I think those exist? *But probably also like that.
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BonHair posted:I don't entirely disagree, but keep in mind that your target audience isn't "everyone" but "nerrrrrds with too much money". Lego Trek would just be generic space ships to kids (which is cool) but also sell well to manchildren. And obviously you'd want your merch in the high end adult (no, not like that*) toy category. Like com badges, tricorders, uniforms, possibly prosthetics (just get regular elf ears for space elves). And also high quality models, but I think those exist? Anovos does uniforms, QMx does badges and studio-scale models, someone’s making a TOS tricorder replica this year, McFarlane has the license for collector figures and plastic phaser replicas, Super7 is doing retro styled TNG figures this year, Polar Lights/Aurora has the model kit license, and Eaglemoss has the fairly popular die-cast painted model line. These things do exist, there’s just not a Star Wars level demand for them anymore and that’s unlikely to change anytime soon given how CBS is marketing and distributing the show.
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Licensed games are a lot rarer now than they were back in the 90s-2000s. I mean, outside of mobile games, Star Wars has had - what, three games since the Disney buyout? There's only been one big-budget Avengers game, and it was a bit of a flop. The only Doctor Who video games were a couple of really cheap adventure games. It's not surprising Star Trek doesn't get anything anymore when even the huge franchises don't get much.
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Feb 28, 2021 09:59
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An idea: Invent warp drive. Instant renewal of interest in Star Trek! Also name the first warp capable ship the USS Enterprise and put this guy in charge of it. https://www.cnet.com/news/captain-kirk-star-trek-us-navy-destroyer-zumwalt/ C’mon CBS you sons of bitches. Edit: Transparent aluminum is real and everything! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DduO1fNzV4w Gonz fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Feb 28, 2021 |
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Feb 28, 2021 10:12
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If the first faster than light flight is not sent off with Magic Carpet Ride by Steppenwolf, we have failed as a species and deserve to die trapped on this insignificant moist rock.
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nine-gear crow posted:If the first faster than light flight is not sent off with Magic Carpet Ride by Steppenwolf, we have failed as a species and deserve to die trapped on this insignificant moist rock. But what if this is the universe where Cochran & Pals shotgun the Vulcans in Montana and pilfer their technology?!
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Gonz posted:But what if this is the universe where Cochran & Pals shotgun the Vulcans in Montana and pilfer their technology?! Then all glory to the Terran Empire 
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I kinda know merch exists, but compared to other franchisees, there's way less availability. It should at least be comparable with doctor who. Anyway, what about board games? That seems like an ideal niche for Trek, but the only example I can think of is Star Catan (which is incidentally considered one of the best Catans I think). There's so many ways to mash Trek into a boardgame, and if it's mechanically sound, non-Trekkies will also buy it. You can do anything from lots of minis like Imperial Assault or even a Twilight Emperium knock-off to some puzzle type warp engine optimization thing and lots in between.
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Feb 28, 2021 10:46
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I'm watching the DS9 episode The Ascent and I really wish they didn't have the Jake/Nog moving in together B story and instead just spent all their time on Odo and Quark trying to survive
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Feb 28, 2021 10:47
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BonHair posted:I kinda know merch exists, but compared to other franchisees, there's way less availability. It should at least be comparable with doctor who. The only one I know of besides Catan and the requisite Monopoly/USAopoly Trek edition is the X-Wing miniatures knock off they had called Attack Wing. It was pretty bad though because devs let it succumb to power creep with new pieces and I’m not sure it’s even still around. I think there’s a tabletop RPG and a Fluxx spin-off around too.
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BonHair posted:I kinda know merch exists, but compared to other franchisees, there's way less availability. It should at least be comparable with doctor who. Yeah, at the last few PAX events I went to there were the various nerd merch stored and it was like 'whole section on wars', 'whole section on Dr Who', 'whole section on, say, BSG' and then one or two very niche pieces of Trek. These should be being pushed as a strategy to keep the interest maintained and keep it in the collective consciousness.
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BonHair posted:I kinda know merch exists, but compared to other franchisees, there's way less availability. It should at least be comparable with doctor who. This article from Star Trek.com might help answer that question a bit. There used to be an X-Wing Miniatures-like game about a decade ago called Star Trek: Attack Wing by HeroClix. There was also the famous Star Trek: The Next Generation Interactive VCR Board Game, from which our ever lovely  gang tag originates.There's also weird semi-authorized poo poo like the Star Trek: The Next Generation How To Host A Murder Mystery game. My dad loved to trawl thrift shops bought that for me years ago just randomly because he knew I liked Star Trek. It was weird as poo poo, but also incredibly touching in a way I never really appreciated until after he died. Anyway, the point is, there is tons of stuff out there if you know what and where to look for it. Just wander into any given comic book store these days and you'll find most of the widely available Trek merch for sale, I'd wager.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I've gotten the feeling that both Paramount and CBS (before Viacom re-merged a year or two ago) could never figure out how to properly merchandise Trek. Didn't Activision actually sue CBS/Paramount over for cancelling Enterprise or something? Like they were paying for the license and now there was nothing to "advertise" the games. I think I remember something along those lines or something. Angry Salami posted:Licensed games are a lot rarer now than they were back in the 90s-2000s. I mean, outside of mobile games, Star Wars has had - what, three games since the Disney buyout? While it's true that you don't really get licensed games like you used to (it's too expensive to make even mediocre console/PC games these games, you just put this poo poo on phones instead), the lack of Star Wars games is due to EA's incomitance. EA signed a deal to have the exclusive rights to make Star Wars games for 10 years in 2013, they've only managed to put out four games and only two of them are without controversy. People were pissed off that Battlefront 1 was multiplayer only and the microtransactions for 2 were so bad it had governments talking about if they should start passing laws about them.
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Veotax posted:Didn't Activision actually sue CBS/Paramount over for cancelling Enterprise or something? Like they were paying for the license and now there was nothing to "advertise" the games. I think I remember something along those lines or something. Yep, filed a breach of contract lawsuit in 2003 arguing that they were killing the brand and its marketing potential because they cancelled Voyager and Deep Space Nine, had only made one TNG film over the course of their tenure with the license (Nemesis), and Enterprise was a dogshit ratings black hole that caused people to throw their TVs off their balconies rather than tune in to watch it. Les Moonves responded to their allegations by promptly cancelling Enterprise and then wandering off to go sexually assault another CBS intern.
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BonHair posted:I kinda know merch exists, but compared to other franchisees, there's way less availability. It should at least be comparable with doctor who. Star Trek Ascendancy is fantastic. It's also kind of a long game so in the before times my friends and didn't play it often.
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Tighclops posted:star trek is for nerds HOLY poo poo
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Tighclops posted:star trek is for nerds Hell yeah it is.
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I need more Lower Decks like RIGHT now. I hate that it was only 10 episodes but I'll take what we can get. Those last few episodes they really found their stride and everything just worked so well.
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BonHair posted:I kinda know merch exists, but compared to other franchisees, there's way less availability. It should at least be comparable with doctor who. "The Captain is Dead" is pretty much a barely-legally-not-the-Star-Trek-franchise board game.
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Season 5 of DS9 has Definitely been the most lit, glad I picked it back up after burning out early season 4 when I watching TNG for first time and went straight into DS9. Now I understand why everyone likes Garak, early on they had no idea what to do with character or had to delay their future plans I guess. I just remember him hitting on Dr. Bashir sketchily and then disappearing for 8 episodes at a time.
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knox posted:Season 5 of DS9 has Definitely been the most lit, glad I picked it back up after burning out early season 4 when I watching TNG for first time and went straight into DS9. I really like his story arc with his mentor.
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Vintersorg posted:I need more Lower Decks like RIGHT now. I hate that it was only 10 episodes but I'll take what we can get. Those last few episodes they really found their stride and everything just worked so well.
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knox posted:then disappearing for 8 episodes at a time. This is pretty normal with DS9. It's been mentioned before, but while Garak is absolutely a pivotal character in the show, as is Dukat, both of them only appear in 20-30-some episodes each of the show. Dukat, for example, is absent from the first season after Emissary until he pops up for a video call in Duet and only has like seven appearances total prior to The Way of the Warrior; after showing up in the third episode of the series, Garak isn't seen again until a decent chunk of the way into the second season, and even then he only appears three or four times that season. It's a testament to how charismatic and talented Robinson and Alaimo are that their characters are so memorable, because they really don't show up in the series nearly as much as people think they do.
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Timby posted:This is pretty normal with DS9. It's been mentioned before, but while Garak is absolutely a pivotal character in the show, as is Dukat, both of them only appear in 20-30-some episodes each of the show. It's bananas how good and impactful the recurring cast is on DS9.
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