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Big Mean Jerk posted:It also helped that back then most of the Star Wars fan films made were parodies instead of dorks running around in the woods with lightsabers. I remember Stargeeks, Troops, and George Lucas in Love being pretty solid comedy shorts. Yup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NATeU-r0GDU
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HopperUK posted:It's bananas how good and impactful the recurring cast is on DS9. There was a point in season 5 or 6 where I was watching a scene with Rom, Leeta and Nog, and I was surprised to find how deeply invested I was in all these tertiary alien characters.
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That's why Genesis was able to resurrect Spock! It all makes sense now...
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BonHair posted:
There's Allegiance, which is more of a wargame. edit: Oh wait, I think Bone6 has it right.
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nine-gear crow posted:Yep, filed a breach of contract lawsuit in 2003 arguing that they were killing the brand and its marketing potential because they cancelled Voyager and Deep Space Nine, had only made one TNG film over the course of their tenure with the license (Nemesis), and Enterprise was a dogshit ratings black hole that caused people to throw their TVs off their balconies rather than tune in to watch it. Trek gaming was kinda weird in the mid-1990s. Rather than giving a license for the entire franchise to a specific publisher, different publishers were given specific licenses for different series. If memory serves, Interplay got TOS and the TOS movies, Micropose got TNG until 1996, after which it was bundled with the VOY license and given to Activision. Meanwhile, DS9 ended up with Simon and Schuster Interactive, the short-lived software arm of the publishing company that was owned by Paramount owner Viacom at the time. As a result every publisher had to stick in a narrow era, which is how we got things like the 4x game Birth of the Federation not having any TOS-era ships or Nor-type mining stations for the Cardassians to build, while the Defiant and Sovereign could get in the game because they were in FC. In retrospect, Activision did seem to be trying to spin Trek off into a wide range of game genres to see what would stick. We had FPSes with the Elite Force games, a third-person adventure game with Hidden Evil, an isometric squad tactics game with Away Team, an RTS with the Armadas, naval combat sims with Starfleet Command 3 and Bridge Commander, and even a 4X with Borg Assimilator, though that one never saw the light of day.
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Activision definitely tried a bunch of different things, it's just that a lot of them didn't work well. But when I think of iconic Trek games they are almost all from them.
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Marshal Radisic posted:an isometric squad tactics game with Away Team There really needs to be another one of these now that Firaxis has effectively re-codified how squad tactics should look and feel with the modern XCOM games. XCOM 2 in particular has all the trappings for Star Trek already, just turn the Avenger into a starship, toss it into space, adapt the geoscape map into a galaxy map, and take the rest from there. Other games like Halcyon 6: Starbase Commander got pretty close to Enemy Unknown's base hub structure but with totally different combat, even a Star Trek version of that would be interesting to fiddle with.
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I don't even know what my ideal Trek game would look like. In Star Wars, you obviously want telekinetic powers and guns and laser swords or fast-paced dogfights in space, all of which are easily achievable with the modern video game toolbox. What do I want out of a Star Trek game? Diplomacy? Quaint little ethical problems? Maybe an immersive sim or Telltale-style CYOA. Is there any way to download Stage 9 these days? Is that  ?
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Lester Shy posted:Is there any way to download Stage 9 these days? Is that Yeah, basically. My ideal Trek game is something akin to Mass Effect 1. You’d explore a planet, drive around, find little things here and there, some adding up to a bigger plot, and others being just strange small moments. The galaxy felt huge, and it was all yours to explore.
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HopperUK posted:It's bananas how good and impactful the recurring cast is on DS9. damar shows up for like a dozen episodes, brunt only shows up for 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rACCZaBcq1g and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TcNT1-3pUU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ_F-_EGzqg each of these videos says more about weyoun and dukat than literally the entire non-main bridge crew on discovery have gotten combined in three full seasons. absurd Verviticus fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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The C&D that the Stage 9 developers were socked with was pretty firm, to the point that all extant builds vanished overnight and I believe one of the devs was anonymously quoted as saying they were told that they would suffer the wrath of the lawyers if any build were to accidentally "leak." I don't think it will ever see the light of day again, but in fairness, we do live in a world in which the GoldenEye 007 HD port for the Xbox 360 suddenly emerged on torrent sites out of nowhere and has been confirmed by ex-Rare guys as being essentially a 90-something-percent final version, so you never know...
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You can still very easily find magnet links for torrents (I just looked, it took me 5 seconds).
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We already have the perfect Star Trek game. Bridge Crew.
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bull3964 posted:We already have the perfect Star Trek game. Bridge Crew. More like the perfect nausea and projectile vomiting generator. (I can't do VR at all, I get violently ill within a few minutes, no matter which headset.  )
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Timby posted:More like the perfect nausea and projectile vomiting generator. I know it's made for VR but you don't have to use it, so there's that.
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Lester Shy posted:I don't even know what my ideal Trek game would look like. In Star Wars, you obviously want telekinetic powers and guns and laser swords or fast-paced dogfights in space, all of which are easily achievable with the modern video game toolbox. What do I want out of a Star Trek game? Diplomacy? Quaint little ethical problems? Maybe an immersive sim or Telltale-style CYOA. Episodic Telltale-style CYOA would fit Trek great.
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MikeJF posted:Episodic Telltale-style CYOA would fit Trek great. So, basically, updated 25th Anniversary / Judgment Rites / A Final Unity, ideally with fewer puzzles that require 31 flavors of utter bullshit to solve them. I'd be all over that.
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Marshal Radisic posted:Trek gaming was kinda weird in the mid-1990s. Rather than giving a license for the entire franchise to a specific publisher, different publishers were given specific licenses for different series. Same with other forms of merchandise - for most of the lifespan of Decipher's CCG, Fleer still had the license for TOS cards, so when Decipher wanted to do cards for the OS bridge crew, they had to use the loophole of making them specifically based on their appearances in "Trials and Tribbleations".
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Giant skulls or not, that shot of the Genesis cave from Wrath of Khan would be a perfect look for a new Star Trek point-and-click adventure game or CRPG. A Telltale-style adventure game would be cool too with the right budget, I feel like they'd need something way closer to Dontnod's production values than what Telltale had to work with towards the end.
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They already made the best Star Trek game, it was called Elite Force and it allowed you to kill Janeway and Neelix as the Doctor in a deathmatch.
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Organic Lube User posted:They already made the best Star Trek game, it was called Elite Force and it allowed you to kill Janeway and Neelix as the Doctor in a deathmatch.
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Marshal Radisic posted:In retrospect, Activision did seem to be trying to spin Trek off into a wide range of game genres to see what would stick. We had FPSes with the Elite Force games, a third-person adventure game with Hidden Evil, an isometric squad tactics game with Away Team, an RTS with the Armadas, naval combat sims with Starfleet Command 3 and Bridge Commander, and even a 4X with Borg Assimilator, though that one never saw the light of day. And yet somehow never an RPG. Idiots.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It was a cool concept at the time that you could go to all of the different areas of the ship. I remember they released a free-roam mode with the expansion that came out which added a few things and also replaced the voice actress who did Seven in the original game with Jeri Ryan. I'd love an immersive sim that used the Enterprise-D deckplans. Delsaber posted:Giant skulls or not, that shot of the Genesis cave from Wrath of Khan would be a perfect look for a new Star Trek point-and-click adventure game or CRPG. A Telltale-style adventure game would be cool too with the right budget, I feel like they'd need something way closer to Dontnod's production values than what Telltale had to work with towards the end. Do it right and they could build up shipboard sets to make it cheaper over time.
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Worms but spaceships.
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Bridge crew was great, but they stopped supporting it, so we got like 3 ships and the same 5 missions
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Organic Lube User posted:They already made the best Star Trek game, it was called Elite Force and it allowed you to kill Janeway and Neelix as the Doctor in a deathmatch. With a portable photon torpedo`launcher. One of my favorite FPS weapons of all time.
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Think of a TNG ship battle. Think of a game of Worms. Think of replacing "exploding sheep" with "uses own logic against you." This problem is solved
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Sunless Sea but in TOS times exploring beyond known space, with a little less madness and death and a little more peaceful resolution opportunities (but not much, TOS was pretty high on cosmic threats and space madness in the grand scheme).
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TOS is basically a horror anthology. The amount of body horror stuff that happens to people on that ship is incredible. Just another day on the job and you’re turned into a tiny dodecahedron and crushed into dust by some guy or have your brain erased by a space probe and need to be taught how to read and move your limbs again by the nurse on duty in sickbay.
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McSpanky posted:Sunless Sea but in TOS times exploring beyond known space, with a little less madness and death and a little more peaceful resolution opportunities (but not much, TOS was pretty high on cosmic threats and space madness in the grand scheme). I'd buy this in a second. I've gotten really into Fallen London stuff over the last few years, a similar Star Trek game with good enough writing could be a blast. The Sunless games also have a bit of Escape Velocity's loop going on which would be a great fit. If anyone's curious about Sunless Sea it's free on Epic for the next few days.
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Organic Lube User posted:They already made the best Star Trek game, it was called Elite Force and it allowed you to kill Janeway and Neelix as the Doctor in a deathmatch. mllaneza posted:With a portable photon torpedo`launcher. One of my favorite FPS weapons of all time. Elite Force was fantastic! Honestly the friends I made playing that game on teamspeak got me through kind of a lovely period there in high school. >DG< for life!
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Marshal Radisic posted:In retrospect, Activision did seem to be trying to spin Trek off into a wide range of game genres to see what would stick. We had FPSes with the Elite Force games, a third-person adventure game with Hidden Evil, an isometric squad tactics game with Away Team, an RTS with the Armadas, naval combat sims with Starfleet Command 3 and Bridge Commander, and even a 4X with Borg Assimilator, though that one never saw the light of day. Going to nitpick here that Activision weren't the ones first pushing into some of those genres; Interplay did third-person adventure games in the mid-90s with 25th Anniversary and Judgment Rites, they started the "naval combat sim" (i.e. computerized adaptation of Star Fleet Battles) with the first Starfleet Command and did Starfleet Academy as well. MicroProse did the first Trek 4X with Birth of the Federation. Also since we're talking about old Trek games, I love this video pitch for a game that never got produced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqcawTaWqg
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Elite Force was bonkers as gently caress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YdWl8dFnVY
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Going to nitpick here that Activision weren't the ones first pushing into some of those genres; Interplay did third-person adventure games in the mid-90s with 25th Anniversary and Judgment Rites, they started the "naval combat sim" (i.e. computerized adaptation of Star Fleet Battles) with the first Starfleet Command and did Starfleet Academy as well. MicroProse did the first Trek 4X with Birth of the Federation. Oh, I absolutely agree; MicroProse even got the first Trek FPS out with Klingon Honor Guard in 1998. Activision just seemed to be the most aggressive in trying to fit Trek into as many different game genres as possible. Oh, and speaking of Klingon Honor Guard, I just remembered this magazine cover. I'll have to check in with the classic FPS thread, but I think a case could be made that KHG was the "best" one of the three shown off. https://twitter.com/MeidoMatsuri/status/1298674963961061376
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I loved the 4X game, Birth of the Federation.
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V-Men posted:I loved the 4X game, Birth of the Federation. Same. But wasn't that just a reskin of some other 4x game? Starfleet Command 1 and 2 were awesome. I never got around to playing 3 though.
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Sanguinia posted:Same. But wasn't that just a reskin of some other 4x game? 3 was the last Trek game Activision made before it coyoted its way out of that contract with Viacom, and, well... it wasn’t that good from what I’d played of it. Then again, I also played it as a near direct follow up to Bridge Commander, and that game was incredible and cast a long shadow over everything else Activision did with the brand.
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