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Dias posted:Vision said "What is grief if not love persisting?". The Internet sucks so it's either the greatest line in written English or hacky, terrible and I wouldn't be surprised if someone said ~problematic~. tbh i don't think anyone would've cared as much if there wasn't a hilariously-worded tweet about how good it was going around edit: it was "Do you hear that sound? It’s every screenwriter in the world whispering a reverent “gently caress” under their breath. #WandaVision"
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Mar 2, 2021 20:18
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Groovelord Neato posted:That's not what the person said and the way they put it is why it got roundly mocked. Oh I get that, but ppl were also swarming anyone who said anything vaguely positive about the line. It's a shlocky line, but given the right mood that sorta stuff can poke thru. https://twitter.com/BrandyLJensen/status/1366078043375226881?s=19
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Mar 2, 2021 20:23
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wrt the attack on titan naming thing, the sheer amount of poo poo that the actual professional translators get for poo poo that the publishers decide is insane. https://twitter.com/katrinaltrnsl8r/status/1362487070996918274 Been watching it happen in basically real time with seeing certain games and stuff come out where people have long protracted meltdowns about 'how dare those lazy translators name x thing ecks don't they know us fan translators know best' etc etc. Handful of localization professionals have straight up been abused into deleting their accounts and so on and so forth.
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Mar 2, 2021 20:25
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Oh I have no problem being moved by stuff like that - who doesn't tear up when the Terminator does the thumbs up when it's lowered into the molten steel?
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Mar 2, 2021 20:25
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Dias posted:Vision said "What is grief if not love persisting?". The Internet sucks so it's either the greatest line in written English or hacky, terrible and I wouldn't be surprised if someone said ~problematic~.
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Mar 2, 2021 20:27
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Groovelord Neato posted:The name is dumb. When I first heard it I thought it was gonna be a space opera (the title conjures up an assault on Saturn's moon). Same here, when I learned the truth I was devastated and shunned AOT irrationally for months as dumb fantasy crap before I got over myself. But then I didn't have enough time for reading more than the first couple volumes anyway, so that was a waste of time. 
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Mar 2, 2021 20:29
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Groovelord Neato posted:Oh I have no problem being moved by stuff like that - who doesn't tear up when the Terminator does the thumbs up when it's lowered into the molten steel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4o64Se8law Brings a tear to ole' John Romero's eye.
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Mar 2, 2021 20:36
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Sarcopenia posted:I've never felt more like a centrist on anything. It's funny that people are losing their poo poo at some pinterest level inspiration quote, but also annoying to see The Defenders of True Cinema! get very indignant about people liking a line that's just fine. I even thought it was a good line in context! It works with Vision's voice, Bettany's delivery (Wandavision is carried hard by him and Liz Olsen) and everything we were shown up to that moment. The reaction to the silly tweet overhyping it is dumb, but hey, the Internet.
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Mar 2, 2021 20:36
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:wrt the attack on titan naming thing, the sheer amount of poo poo that the actual professional translators get for poo poo that the publishers decide is insane. Double post but yeah, translating is HARD, and sometimes you make decisions that are overruled by your client because "they like it better the other way". I'm not a professional translator but I've taken translation jobs before, and sometimes you just have to go with something you disagree with because the client wants it that way.
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Mar 2, 2021 20:40
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Dias posted:I even thought it was a good line in context! It works with Vision's voice, Bettany's delivery (Wandavision is carried hard by him and Liz Olsen) and everything we were shown up to that moment. The reaction to the silly tweet overhyping it is dumb, but hey, the Internet.
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Mar 2, 2021 20:47
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Sarcopenia posted:I've never felt more like a centrist on anything. It's funny that people are losing their poo poo at some pinterest level inspiration quote, but also annoying to see The Defenders of True Cinema! get very indignant about people liking a line that's just fine.
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Mar 2, 2021 20:54
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It's insane to me that their problem is that they don't want to hear about a popular thing and the solution they come up with is not to take a break from the website where millions of people go to talk about popular things.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:03
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I got reminded of the Quartering’s existence again. I’m continually sad, frustrated, and baffled at how there are smart, talented, compassionate people of all stripes on YouTube and even if they try to put out stuff often enough for the algorithm to notice them, they have less of a following than a grown-rear end schlub ranting about girls getting cooties in his video games.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:06
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Ariong posted:It's insane to me that their problem is that they don't want to hear about a popular thing and the solution they come up with is not to take a break from the website where millions of people go to talk about popular things.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:22
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Groovelord Neato posted:Oh I have no problem being moved by stuff like that - who doesn't tear up when the Terminator does the thumbs up when it's lowered into the molten steel? Yeah, it was a lot of people going beyond "This is not the highest form of writing and that shows how limited one's view in media if one thinks that" into weird, somewhat vitrolic analysis of one's spirit and nature and this means to human culture somewhat. I watched that Demo Reel doc and now NC's spiel on the Lorax review went from "kind of infuriating" to "honestly depressing to listen to".
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Mar 2, 2021 21:32
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Sarcopenia posted:I think that their problem is more that Disney is swallowing everything and that makes some people understandably frustrated, which leads to them less understandably lashing out at anyone daring to enjoy anything in relation to it. I mean, if people are worried about entertainment becoming monopolized, I think they're like a Hollywood too early for that, unfortunately.
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Mar 2, 2021 21:38
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Kunster posted:Yeah, it was a lot of people going beyond "This is not the highest form of writing and that shows how limited one's view in media if one thinks that" into weird, somewhat vitrolic analysis of one's spirit and nature and this means to human culture somewhat. yeah, it was this imo. i think it would have been ok just to have a fun laugh at the goofy tweet instead of trying to turn it into a weird battleground for the culture war
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Mar 2, 2021 21:41
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The wandavision line would not have caught so much flack if it wasn’t for the fact that the same deeply incurious, unversed people getting knocked the gently caress over in wonder at a line that sounds like it came from a hallmark card hadn’t also spent the last year screaming for the bloody murder of Martin Scorsese for saying their cartoon punchman movies weren’t high cinema
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Mar 2, 2021 21:51
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:The wandavision line would not have caught so much flack if it wasnt for the fact that the same deeply incurious, unversed people getting knocked the gently caress over in wonder at a line that sounds like it came from a hallmark card hadnt also spent the last year screaming for the bloody murder of Martin Scorsese for saying their cartoon punchman movies werent high cinema on the other hand, scorcese made a boring-rear end 3h+ movie, i'unno why he hates marvel that much if they're delivering the same thing!! 
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Mar 2, 2021 21:57
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I dont know I much prefer the funny notions around Joshua Graham's line from Fallout New Vegas getting turned into Christian social media inspirational quotes. The Wanda Vision thing is just sad but the New Vegas one makes me laugh.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:06
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A big problem is something can't be good, it has to be THE BEST EVER!! You can't just like the line form Wandavision, the line has to be so good all other writers are wowed by it. A game can't be good, it has to be the Citizen Kane of video games. A shot can't be just nice to look at, it has to be something that will be taught in film classes for years to come. It gets really annoying. Especially if it's coupled with someone putting down something solely to elevate what they like.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:07
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Arcsquad12 posted:I dont know I much prefer the funny notions around Joshua Graham's line from Fallout New Vegas getting turned into Christian social media inspirational quotes. The Wanda Vision thing is just sad but the New Vegas one makes me laugh. They also got the line wrong and made it worse which makes it funnier.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:08
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Dias posted:A 1:1 correlation would imply Jewish people could literally turn into gigantic monsters and were the dominating force until very recently. I mean, you can argue "no, but Jews have been portrayed as a hidden, monstrous force, so it's also ~allegory~", but that's why analyzing everything as a 1:1 allegory is just real bad. ELDIANS DO NOT EXIST. Isayama uses ghetto imagery to signal them as, well, ghettoized, but ELDIANS ARE NOT THE JEWISH. gently caress, you have a better argument if you look at Paradis Island and its insurgence as an allegory for Japanese nationalism post-WW2, but someone made a Tumblr post about the armbands and here we are. I know this is a couple pages old and some vile, dire derail people don't want to engage in (and I don't have any interest in Attack on Titan's handling of armbands, generationally-persecuted minorities, and ghettos in particular) but this argument specifically is really stupid. Allegory is allegory no matter how "1:1" it is. Jesus wasn't an actual literal lion, talking lions don't exist, and he wasn't murdered on a stone table by a bunch of goblins and poo poo, but that doesn't remove the allegory from The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. You could debate whether or not it even is allegory, some ill-considered appropriation of certain symbols of fascism, or something else, but this whole vein of "this isn't allegory because it doesn't a thing doesn't exist and it isn't a perfect match to real world things!" is an inane rebuttal, and if anything maybe lends credence to the problem with borrowing certain charged imagery from some of the most iconically monstrous moments in human history that are bound to cause strong knee-jerk reactions in people.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:10
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Sarcopenia posted:I think that their problem is more that Disney is swallowing everything and that makes some people understandably frustrated, which leads to them less understandably lashing out at anyone daring to enjoy anything in relation to it. I can relate. One of my favorite youtubers, Captain Midnight, has been talking about nothing but Disney/Marvel stuff and other big brand franchises lately and I just cant bring myself to give a poo poo. I don't want to know what possible ways there are to bring the X-men into the MCU, I am just so tired of everything becoming a freaking shared universe of bland franchise movies. edit: Thinking about it, it is kinda fascinating that the MCU is going the same way their comic book counterparts did, in that the fun idea for storytelling slowly turned into a confusing mess that will probably collapse into itself sooner or later.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:11
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flatluigi posted:tbh i don't think anyone would've cared as much if there wasn't a hilariously-worded tweet about how good it was going around That tweet was the perfect raw-nerve-toucher for the tens of thousands of failed and/or wanna-be screenwriters on twitter. It's like the troll equivalent of an outsider artist who somehow creates an absolute masterpiece.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:14
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Mar 2, 2021 22:22
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Groovelord Neato posted:The name is dumb. When I first heard it I thought it was gonna be a space opera (the title conjures up an assault on Saturn's moon). it isn't????? i've seen the giant meat men but i seriously assumed it was about a space colony under attack from giant meat men
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Mar 2, 2021 22:25
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if AOT was operating under low gravity i would be way more into it. imagining them flying around on their little hookshot system and winging themselves into space by accident
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Mar 2, 2021 22:30
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Nuns with Guns posted:I know this is a couple pages old and some vile, dire derail people don't want to engage in (and I don't have any interest in Attack on Titan's handling of armbands, generationally-persecuted minorities, and ghettos in particular) but this argument specifically is really stupid. Allegory is allegory no matter how "1:1" it is. Jesus wasn't an actual literal lion, talking lions don't exist, and he wasn't murdered on a stone table by a bunch of goblins and poo poo, but that doesn't remove the allegory from The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. Motherfucker, you yourself said it was a 1:1 allegory. Of course the imagery evokes Jewish people because of the ghettos, but ELDIANS ARE NOT JEWS, what is inane is reading everything like that because you're trying to prove yourself right.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:32
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Dias posted:Motherfucker, you yourself said it was a 1:1 allegory. Of course the imagery evokes Jewish people because of the ghettos, but ELDIANS ARE NOT JEWS, what is inane is reading everything like that because you're trying to prove yourself right. you're not very bright are you
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Mar 2, 2021 22:33
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Alaois posted:you're not very bright are you Bright is a good example of an attempt at a 1:1 allegory actually falling apart because it doesn't fit the text of the movie!
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Mar 2, 2021 22:34
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Dias posted:Motherfucker, you yourself said it was a 1:1 allegory. Of course the imagery evokes Jewish people because of the ghettos, but ELDIANS ARE NOT JEWS, what is inane is reading everything like that because you're trying to prove yourself right. I don't know why you think I said it was a 1:1 allegory because I didn't. Dias posted:Bright is a good example of an attempt at a 1:1 allegory actually falling apart because it doesn't fit the text of the movie! Bright isn't an allegory, it's racial coding leading to problematic implications for the orcs and elves. Funny enough, this whole thing about "these are fantasy people, this isn't real, and it's not a metaphor for anything!!!" is actually identical to how people dismiss similar concerns around D&D fantasy races.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:38
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e X posted:I can relate. One of my favorite youtubers, Captain Midnight, has been talking about nothing but Disney/Marvel stuff and other big brand franchises lately and I just cant bring myself to give a poo poo. I don't want to know what possible ways there are to bring the X-men into the MCU, I am just so tired of everything becoming a freaking shared universe of bland franchise movies. The sad thing is the pandemic is probably the best thing to happen to the entertainment industry for a while. A whole blissful year of no mcu films dominating all discussion or drowning out all competition and all it cost us was 2.53 million innocent lives!
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Mar 2, 2021 22:40
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Nuns with Guns posted:I don't know why you think I said it was a 1:1 allegory because I didn't. I thought you were the person I replied to on that post, my bad. That motherfucker literally said "there's a 1:1 correlation", and, like...no? AP English really broke people's brains.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:40
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Todd posted a OHW on Return of the Mack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JILcyYohljk&t=728s
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Mar 2, 2021 22:56
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Violet_Sky posted:Todd posted a OHW on Return of the Mack. Yeyeye, One Hit Wonderland is always dope.
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Mar 2, 2021 22:57
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:The sad thing is the pandemic is probably the best thing to happen to the entertainment industry for a while. A whole blissful year of no mcu films dominating all discussion or drowning out all competition and all it cost us was 2.53 million innocent lives! Well, I found the news that Nickelodeon created a whole studio, just for Avatar spin-offs, super disheartening. None of them will be great, none of them will be terrible, we will just drown in an ocean of mediocrity e X fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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Mar 2, 2021 23:01
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Kunster posted:Last weekend you could easily sap all your lifeforce from witnessing the discussion behind Vision talking about grief. Jesus Christ I can easily, easily picture a Sarah Z video on like the reaction to that line and the sheer backlash to the reaction of that line, like, a few years down the line to the point I almost felt bad for capestuff enjoyers.
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Mar 2, 2021 23:21
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https://twitter.com/TheRealTutuBear/status/1366314348239585281 This one is also powerful.
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Mar 2, 2021 23:26
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lmao Doug Walker's character in Demo Reel is Jake Lloyd????
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Mar 3, 2021 00:02
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