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Powered Descent posted:Also we get a really good Garak scene out of the deal. Woulda loved to see him eviscerate more people that way. Go off, Garak, tell everyone what you think.
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I'm pretty sure last thing I would do is be a writer in star trek, with the holodeck you know written material is like a year or so away from disappearing.
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Epicurius posted:I'm not a big fan of TMP, but then, I'm also not a big fan of 2001. They both fit into my category of "Movies that have double the run time they need to for the plot". I don't really have much interest in seeing 7 minutes of "The Enterprise flies into a cloud" or 8 minutes of "Apemen run around a monolith." Probably this makes me an uncivilized barbarian, though. I'm gonna strap you down and force-feed you Jim Jarmusch movies until you love unconventional pacing Axe-man posted:I'm pretty sure last thing I would do is be a writer in star trek, with the holodeck you know written material is like a year or so away from disappearing. We see the holodeck evolve in real time in TNG with the Bynars upgrading it from "a pretty decent interactive environmental simulator/videogame training mode" to "a freaking 1:1 IRL-mapped full sensory matrix that can fool highly intelligent technical specialists who've lived on the same ship for years into thinking they're still on that ship". I always wondered if the Bynar upgrade was like a firmware thing that got sent out to all the holodecks or if the Enterprise just has the most incredibly advanced open-world sim generators in the known galaxy and they don't realize it because, why bother using holodecks when they visit anywhere else? McSpanky fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Mar 8, 2021 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Somehow with all of that discussion they avoid saying what happened to the Romulan government post-Romulus. The Tal Shiar is still a thing, but for some reason there is no longer a neutral zone. The cube is under the control of an entity called the Romulan Free State, which implies a balkanisation to me. I can image the Tal Shiar surviving the Empire imploding.
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MikeJF posted:The cube is under the control of an entity called the Romulan Free State, which implies a balkanisation to me. I can image the Tal Shiar surviving the Empire imploding. They are also having to work with the Federation in taking the Cube apart which at least says that there is some cooperation
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah the Romulan Free State is the only real mention of any Romulan government Uh, I guess all those Federation staff are dead now.
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CPColin posted:Learn to holocode “Computer, create a good story” *takes the rest of the week off*
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Alchenar posted:Uh, I guess all those Federation staff are dead now.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The show completely forgets that they are even on the Cube after like episode 3? 4? Remember how seven of nine crashed an entire borg cube on the final planet of the season presumably killing everyone on board? Also remember how they forgot to give a conclusion to the main antagonist of most of the season and he just kind of disappears in the last episode.
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This is just reminding me how incredibly disappointed I was that we never see actual Borg drones in action Instead they just immediately get sucked into vacuum.
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FlamingLiberal posted:This is just reminding me how incredibly disappointed I was that we never see actual Borg drones in action "Tension rising... Tension rising.... Tension sidestepped!" "You... Mean released, right?" "That's what they EXPECT"
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It's a good thing there isn't a film that established that the borg are entirely comfortable walking around in a vaccum.
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That does require a surface to walk on, being jettisoned into empty space might make that tricky
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95% of what I know about Discovery and Picard is stuff I gleaned from Star Trek Timelines characters before I airlocked them because I don't want them contaminating things with their lameness. The other 5% is the one episode of Picard I watched and that one short where the future guy gets stranded with sexy HAL-1000 that holo-dances with him. That was enough for me.
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I busted out the projector for Star Trek 5 and I think I made it worse. There is a very large Fan Dance going on.
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SlothfulCobra posted:TMP does seem like they had about 15 minutes' worth of plot that they padded out. The Changeling actually has a more complex plot, now that I think of it. The counterpoint to that is that I wish I could go back to a time when a cinema experience presented you with unimaginable visuals. I got it as a kid with Jurassic Park and Independence Day, but ever since then it's generally been the case that even photorealistic CGI filled movies don't really inspire much of that sense of literally staring into another world. Like you said most people watching TMP would have seen some Star Trek on TV. This was a chance to present that universe in a way they had never before been able to do justice.
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It doesn't matter how elaborate or how much complex abstract artistic concepts you're trying to get into your effects shots, no effect shot is worth sitting through for 8 solid minutes and the characters are just staring at it going wow how amazing, please be stunned into silence just like us viewer, we really need to fill out that runtime.
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Axe-man posted:I'm pretty sure last thing I would do is be a writer in star trek, with the holodeck you know written material is like a year or so away from disappearing. People probably would have expected the same thing from radio and television, but reading's still a thing today. Like, even in all but the most pessimistic outlook, people would still want a compelling narrative to play out in their holodeck fantasies.
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One thing I remember thinking on my last watch was that, besides wanting tightening up, a lot of the entering V'Ger and Flyover shots really could've used some better visual anchoring, more things like framing the visual in the viewscreen or showing the edge of the Enterprise. Even if it was just briefly at the start of the shot and then it pushes in. You wouldn't need it on all of them, but there are too many without something like that and it's needed to keep it seen as 'this is what the Enterprise is travelling through' instead of 'the camera is just moving through a space'.
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Timby posted:This is categorically untrue. Paramount first approached Roddenberry about doing a Trek movie in 1971, and the reason The God Thing went from being the Phase II pilot to being a movie was because Paramount got cold feet about starting a fourth network. The wheels of making TMP proper were already turning by the time of Star Wars' release in 1977.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:People probably would have expected the same thing from radio and television, but reading's still a thing today. yeah, im just going to read books in the holodeck lol. I'd be more worried about computers that could write better than people, although we see in "Elementry my dear data" that the computer can't really make a ghost written holmes story yet, so it's also foreseeable that a whole new profession of holodeck writers would emerge. wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Mar 9, 2021 |
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:This is impossible when Lwaxana exists This is impossible when Neelix exists.
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:This is impossible when Lwaxana exists Lwaxana's fukken cool, you dweeb
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Star Wars characters where the consensus is They Suck, but They don't Lwaxana Troi Keiko O' Brien The Wadi Star Wars characters where the consensus is They Suck, but They do Neelix Harry Kim
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Star Wars characters where the consensus is They Suck, but They don't Late season Dukat & Winn
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Royal Updog posted:Star Wars characters where the consensus is They Suck, but They don't Lwaxana is a sex pest and we should not encourage her behavior
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Counterpoint: it’s mostly an act just to embarrass her daughter and make Picard uncomfortable. Lwaxana is an incredible troll, second only to Q.
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Been watching season 2 of TNG. Main takeaways are: -Wow, it's lovely, it's like being wrapped in a comfy coat, it's so nice -Riker is a lot more charming and funny and adorable than I remembered, when I was a dipshit teen I thought he was boring -The sexism. Holy god, the sexism. Of all things to preserve from TOS. Deanna only exists in any situation to be Woman.
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Senor Tron posted:The counterpoint to that is that I wish I could go back to a time when a cinema experience presented you with unimaginable visuals. IMO this has a lot to do with the way it's presented rather than just the technology, though they're not totally unrelated. We need more lingering shots. (Not quite to the extent of TMP which was 90% comprised of lingering shots, of course.) Because CGI makes it so easy to create an amazing thing, and the cost is pretty much the same as making a not-amazing thing, they aren't as compelled to milk it and get their money's worth, so it flies by in an instant and that's fine because it doesn't really cost more or less either way. I think part of the reason there were more lingering shots in old movies was because they were legitimately impressed with what they were making, and they wanted to show it off. And that helped the movie (usually) because it established settings and stakes in a way that words alone really don't. And it also helped the actors sometimes, though I don't want to neglect the fact that it was often still just green screens and matte paintings, so the actors do have to work at selling it either way.
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Avatar still did that for a lot of people. I suspect mostly people who don't game.
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Seeing Avatar in the theatre in 3D was something special, though. No 3D film since has come close to that. Also, what's wrong with Keiko? She seems perfectly nice.
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Prometheus was really nice in 3D too And I think Keiko gets alot of poo poo because any time she's in a script it'll be because her and O'Brien are having domestic issues so she never really gets much time to do her own stuff and having normal interactions with her husband, outside of the season one schoolhouse episode. Still, I don't think she's unfairly portrayed as an antagonist in the relationship and it's not really fair on the character or the actor, she just never gets used except when there's a problem
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multijoe posted:
Also once they work out the O'Brien/Bashir buddy dynamic the reason for her character to exist in stories falls away a lot.
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Marshal Radisic posted:In fact, there's a urban legend that when Michael Eisner, who was at Paramount at the time and elbow-deep in the misery of TMP's development, went to see Star Wars at the theater, he supposedly stood up in the middle of the movie and screamed "Jesus Christ, that could have be us!!!" Not urban legend, it's true. And the reason Eisner was so furious was because by that point in 1977, so much money had been wasted on the Trek movie project (Planet of the Titans alone had eaten up several million bucks in pre-production costs, to say nothing of the other movie attempts and the abortef Phase II) and he had absolutely nothing to show for it, to the point that he was getting heat from Gulf+Western about it.
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Marshal Radisic posted:In fact, there's a urban legend that when Michael Eisner, who was at Paramount at the time and elbow-deep in the misery of TMP's development, went to see Star Wars at the theater, he supposedly stood up in the middle of the movie and screamed "Jesus Christ, that could have be us!!!" I have to imagine this was right when Alderaan was blown up and the guy in the row in front of him turned around and said "Calm down man, it's a movie! The Death Star isn't real!"
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a friend of mine is slowly getting through ds9 and she absolutely hates bashir (shes just starting s2 now) and im wondering if hes the most changed character over the course of a star trek show because i feel like "bashir sucks until s3" is a universally held opinion. and then you get to s3 and he just straight up calls kai winn a coward and storms out
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Once he stopped being a massive creep Bashir was pretty good at being the starry eyed but not too naive determined and righteously furious man at upholding the ideal Federation. At least until that episode where he wanted to date his patient but also at least that episode ended with “Yeah, that was creepy Bashir.” His bits with Sloane were also the one good long term use of the genetic manipulation background because Bashir was so confident of his ability to eventually get one over on Sloane that he got fooled over and over.
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