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Random question, Deep Space 9 episode Paradise Lost parts 1 and 2, did they switch the actor for the president in between episodes?
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Mar 10, 2021 00:39
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Verviticus posted:a friend of mine is slowly getting through ds9 and she absolutely hates bashir (shes just starting s2 now) and im wondering if hes the most changed character over the course of a star trek show because i feel like "bashir sucks until s3" is a universally held opinion. and then you get to s3 and he just straight up calls kai winn a coward and storms out Probably behind Nog. Maybe Worf if you start with Farpoint. Does Dax count?
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I said come in! posted:Random question, Deep Space 9 episode Paradise Lost parts 1 and 2, did they switch the actor for the president in between episodes? No.
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Mar 10, 2021 01:45
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I have to imagine this was right when Alderaan was blown up and the guy in the row in front of him turned around and said "Calm down man, it's a movie! The Death Star isn't real!" Okay this is a funny mental image, thank you
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Mar 10, 2021 01:55
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Bashir was a lowkey sex creep (So a trek character) and he deffo became better along time.
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Mar 10, 2021 02:05
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Pick-up artist Bashir makes a bad impression and cynical super genius Bashir doesn't do much for me, but middle series O'Brien's Bro Bashir is good fun. I just never liked the serious material with Bashir or Dax. They're both funny (for Trek) and I enjoy them fine in the ensemble, but their featured episodes are mostly pretty lifeless.
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Mar 10, 2021 02:10
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Randallteal posted:Pick-up artist Bashir makes a bad impression and cynical super genius Bashir doesn't do much for me, but middle series O'Brien's Bro Bashir is good fun. I like Garak/Bashir time a lot. They really had a lot of chemistry together and we got a lot of insight into Cardiassian culture and ways of thinking. How Cardassians envision a prototypical mystery is also a real memorable point as well.
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Mar 10, 2021 02:17
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Timby posted:No. Ooh man I swear the actors are different. I am in fact crazy.
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Mar 10, 2021 02:18
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Bashir's troubled beginnings and endings loom larger in the collective memory than they really were. By the end of season 1 he's not a creep anymore, and it's not even a full-length season. And the "probability of survival" crap is basically only in the opening 6-parter of S6.
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Mar 10, 2021 02:24
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Best Bashir episode is The Quickening imo. A lot of the rest of the time he’s the (relatively) straight man tagging along on O’Brien or Garak’s adventure. Jack pack stuff is terrible obviously, but I don’t really like the spy stuff he gets up to later either. Bashir holodecking about being a spy was better than the real thing
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Mar 10, 2021 02:33
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Nitrousoxide posted:I like Garak/Bashir time a lot. They really had a lot of chemistry together and we got a lot of insight into Cardiassian culture and ways of thinking. How Cardassians envision a prototypical mystery is also a real memorable point as well. The only human film cardassians respect is The Pink Panther: A Shot in the Dark
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Mar 10, 2021 02:37
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I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but I'm usually 60-100 pages behind in this thread
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Mar 10, 2021 03:45
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Bashir is unlikable very early on, S6 is when I really thought he became a good character though. And I just watched S7 episode where he goes 'undercover' for Section 31 who "used him because he's a good man." That's what I thought of him in Season 6 and appreciated him for that, Quickening episode sealed that I guess. Season 6 is when DS9 reaches it's pinnacle for sure; bashir becomes legit, less alt-universe gimmick bullshit, Garak doing thangs, and obviously episodes like Sisko as scifi writer which seems to be top 3 on every DS9 best episode articles.
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golden bells posted:I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but I'm usually 60-100 pages behind in this thread Theres an image that should forever remain blank.
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Sir Lemming posted:Bashir's troubled beginnings and endings loom larger in the collective memory than they really were. By the end of season 1 he's not a creep anymore, and it's not even a full-length season. And the "probability of survival" crap is basically only in the opening 6-parter of S6. There's also the part where Ezri retroactively absolves Bashir of all his early sex pestering and says Dax actually found him charming.
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Mar 10, 2021 04:58
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but some Twitter account posted that Bashir was at the very bottom of the list when the studio polled people about who their favorite character was after DS9’s first season, so it’s definitely a common opinion of the character. I’m not a big fan of Bashir on his own, but I do really like his pairings with other characters. Bashir and Garak, Bashir and O’Brien, even Bashir and Dax have some good scenes in the later seasons after Worf shows up.
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Mar 10, 2021 05:09
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Just got to "Take Me Out To The Holosuite," and it may be 100% indulgent fanservice, but I loved it and the cheeseball ending.
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Mar 10, 2021 05:57
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no one told me Troi's mom was on DS9, this rules
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Mar 10, 2021 08:00
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I'm sorry. (I'm not sorry.)
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Mar 10, 2021 11:42
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Just saw the episode where the entire crew has amnesia and one of the first things Riker does is to sleep with ensign Rho.
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That's more initiated by ensign ro
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Lol the ending of that episode when they talk with troi about it is great
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Lester Shy posted:Just got to "Take Me Out To The Holosuite," and it may be 100% indulgent fanservice, but I loved it and the cheeseball ending. Great episode, classic Worf poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N22YyheMW-c John F Bennett posted:Just saw the episode where the entire crew has amnesia and one of the first things Riker does is to sleep with ensign Rho. As he should.
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skasion posted:Best Bashir episode is The Quickening imo. Yeah it is, and it's also the franchise's best iteration of "beam down to Village Planet and fix their problem while fending off a paranoid leader". A bunch of other episodes, even since TOS, feel like a rehearsal for that one. McSpanky posted:There's also the part where Ezri retroactively absolves Bashir of all his early sex pestering and says Dax actually found him charming. Yeah I will say that, in my most recent viewing, I was surprised by how much they tried to dredge up his old feelings for Dax as well as bringing Quark into it. It was definitely one of the aspects of season 7 and the 2nd half of 6 that didn't really work, and is best forgotten. Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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Sir Lemming posted:Yeah I will say that, in my most recent viewing, I was surprised by how much they tried to dredge up his old feelings for Dax as well as bringing Quark into it. It was definitely one of the aspects of season 7 and the 2nd half of 6 that didn't really work, and is best forgotten. 90s TV is surprisingly gross because it feels reasonably modern and recent, then it's just like "lol sexual harassment is a charming character quirk" out of nowhere It's not a problem unique to DS9 and Star Trek may even be kind of better about it than its contemporaries in some ways.
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Mar 10, 2021 13:40
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Watching TNG for the first time, got to the S4 episode where Q transforms Picard and crew into Robin Hood and crew and puts them in (simulated?) Sherwood Forest and Picard straight up murders a guy, good times
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u brexit ukip it posted:Watching TNG for the first time, got to the S4 episode where Q transforms Picard and crew into Robin Hood and crew and puts them in (simulated?) Sherwood Forest and Picard straight up murders a guy, good times Remember when Q was trying to tempt Riker into becoming a Q and he creates those woman, who's entire life consisted of rubbing Will's chest for about 10 seconds before being obliterated into nothingness.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Remember when Q was trying to tempt Riker into becoming a Q and he creates those woman, who's entire life consisted of rubbing Will's chest for about 10 seconds before being obliterated into nothingness. A life well-spent.
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a neat cape posted:no one told me Troi's mom was on DS9, this rules Her DS9 episodes are ultra cringy, not necessarily because of her though.
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Paradoxish posted:90s TV is surprisingly gross because it feels reasonably modern and recent, then it's just like "lol sexual harassment is a charming character quirk" out of nowhere DS9 specifically is weirdly bad about it - I mean, I'm probably forgetting a lot of examples from TNG or Voyager, but from DS9, just off the top of my head, there's Quark writing sexual abuse into his contracts and this being treated as a wacky joke, the whole Bashir thing, Jake dating a twenty-year old Dabo girl, and the whole thing with Odo and Lwaxanna where he actually goes to Sisko to complain, who's response is 'let her catch you.'
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Mar 10, 2021 15:52
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There's also Profit and Lace, which among other things had someone come around to the idea of being forced to perform sexual favours on her boss.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:There's also Profit and Lace, which among other things had someone come around to the idea of being forced to perform sexual favours on her boss. That episode has to win the crown for grossest in the whole series. Just an entire episode of that and transphobic humor.
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Eimi posted:That episode has to win the crown for grossest in the whole series. Just an entire episode of that and transphobic humor. Like I don’t think they meant offense against Trans people but it just does not hold up in modern viewing. I think they were going for the old comedy trope of ‘man dresses as woman to fool someone’ but with the unfortunate part where because it’s the future they can actually transform someone into another sex.
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I mean, how we really going to expect Quark to be a model of women's rights as a Ferengi whose society is essentially Saudi arabia when it comes to women except they're naked instead of fully covered. And they make it a point to have his mother work to fundamentally change that, and Quark goes temporary trans for the cause. I have beef with bizzaro Bashir punching the poo poo out of Ezri though. Is anything from the 90s going to 'age well' or hold up to today's standards, that isn't some niche thing? Star Trek being this huge franchise, it's going to subject to the times to 'appeal' to everyone ina way even more than most things. Doesn't mean certain poo poo isn't problematic but I think it has to be viewed from that standpoint. knox fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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knox posted:I mean, how we really going to expect Quark to be a model of women's rights as a Ferengi whose society is essentially Saudi arabia when it comes to women except they're naked instead of fully covered. And they make it a point to have his mother work to fundamentally change that, and Quark goes temporary trans for the cause. Star Trek holds up better then some stuff, I tried rewatching Friends recently and 95% of the jokes are "you're gay eww no you're the gay ewww!"
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socialsecurity posted:Star Trek holds up better then some stuff, I tried rewatching Friends recently and 95% of the jokes are "you're gay eww no you're the gay ewww!" This but the X-Files. The grossest recent rewatch where I don't recall it being this bad, because I was much younger and didn't know better, is MASH. Now granted, that is a show from the 70s, but almost all of its humor was non-stop rape, sexual assault, or transphobic jokes.
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Bashir is almost definitely the weakest DS9 character throughout the series, and I ultimately think it was because it was not a good role for Siddig. I like to imagine different casting choices for most characters, and James Spader would have been far more suited for the role on paper. The whole lecherous genius side of the character would have been convincing and possibly more appealing (though still somewhat problematic). They might not have needed to go down the silly genetic engineering plotline. (Spader in Trek is not based off of something in reality, I was just thinking of actors of a similar age and profile at the time of production) Anyway yeah I'll have a #4 with a large Diet Coke. Edit: okay I guess Spader was more high profile at that point and hadn't made the jump to TV yet, but still. Bayham Badger fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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