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Mmm I'm thinkin'.... Trials of Mana
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The remake, in case that was not clear.
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Mar 9, 2021 19:36
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I had a really good time playing the Secret of Mana remake co-op with my wife, me having played the original when I was a teen and her experiencing it for the first time, and am legit IRL buttmad that the Trials of Mana remake doesn't have couch co-op at all. Why not???
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Mar 9, 2021 20:06
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Amppelix posted:"these games are not as bad as the worst games ever" is the most ringing endorsement i've heard today Is Labrynth of Refrain worse than Witch and Hundred Knight? 
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Mar 9, 2021 20:09
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trials of mana completely reworks the combat system and camera perspective so having co-op would require a split screen system that i guess they didn't want to bother testing to make sure it works across the entire game with how visibly low budget the project wasAcerbatus posted:Is Labrynth of Refrain worse than Witch and Hundred Knight? it's the same team and shares lots of the same issues with its writing, maybe weirder because it tries to touch on serious things a lot but still makes really bad jokes in the middle of it
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Mar 9, 2021 20:10
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co-op doesn't work in the remake because I already want to murder the ai every time it pauses a hurt box on me or dodges it towards me
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Mar 9, 2021 20:25
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People love to constantly say how complicated the Kingdom Hearts story is. Anyone have another series they can think of that's notoriously hard to follow?
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Mar 10, 2021 14:39
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RareAcumen posted:People love to constantly say how complicated the Kingdom Hearts story is. Anyone have another series they can think of that's notoriously hard to follow? Kirby if you're actually trying to engage with its lore
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Mar 10, 2021 14:41
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RareAcumen posted:People love to constantly say how complicated the Kingdom Hearts story is. Anyone have another series they can think of that's notoriously hard to follow? Xenosaga, even though it tries to take the time to explain itself, it's still confusing as hell.
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Mar 10, 2021 14:54
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RareAcumen posted:People love to constantly say how complicated the Kingdom Hearts story is. Anyone have another series they can think of that's notoriously hard to follow? the Impact series and Dungeon Fighter Online
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Mar 10, 2021 14:57
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The Colonel posted:if you're at the point where you're scrounging through kemco games you'd probably find better stuff digging through weird playism rpgmaker games. those are the same price and they're probably more interesting This individual is correct. Unfortunately, there comes a day when you have exhausted even the RPGMaker catalog, unless there is something I have missed. Also, play Demon King Chronicle, with these: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1div687Fbk2wVCtfXYxEv6lt_BK7Fu1WY Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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Mar 10, 2021 15:16
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Evil Fluffy posted:It sounds like you want something but don't actually want the games that provide it. I like Bravely Default 2. It being repetitive is a legitimate criticism. As for DQ11, I think it's fine to not want to be bombarded by the sounds of a bull loose in brass shop while people frantically try to scare it away with trumpets. Those aren't my only options, it seems.
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Mar 10, 2021 15:27
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You should play Omori.
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Mar 10, 2021 15:30
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RE DQ11, I think good music is a fantastic thing to have in a game, but bad or repetitive music shouldn't really keep you from enjoying an otherwise good game because you can just mute it and put on your own music collection if it really bothers you. I did that every night during my MMO phase, and I was doing it for DQ11 by about a quarter of the way through. DQ11's endgame is one of the best ones I've experienced btw, in ways that I can't even really hint at or it'd be a spoiler
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Mar 10, 2021 16:39
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The option to replace DQXI's overworld music with the excellent overworld theme from DQVIII is unironically one of the best improvements in XI S.
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Mar 10, 2021 16:40
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Some tracks from DQXI are decent, but that main overworld track just sucks and is everywhere. You don't hit any fields that switch it up until like 1/3 of the way into the game. But yeah DQXI is great so if that's what's stopping you just mute the music.
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Mar 10, 2021 16:53
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Harrow posted:The option to replace DQXI's overworld music with the excellent overworld theme from DQVIII is unironically one of the best improvements in XI S. goddamn I wish I'd had that option, the DQ8 overworld theme was awesome
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Mar 10, 2021 17:00
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Dragon Quest's predilection for retro old-school-style MIDI soundtracks is the kind of thing that seems like a good idea before you have to actually play a game that does it
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Mar 10, 2021 17:01
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Harrow posted:The option to replace DQXI's overworld music with the excellent overworld theme from DQVIII is unironically one of the best improvements in XI S. ...what? I've been able to switch the theme this entire time?  Guess I'm going to give DQ11 another shot with better music.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:03
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Devorum posted:...what? I've been able to switch the theme this entire time? Yep, it's in the options menu! The DQ8 overworld theme is perfect and it's amazing how much better it makes the game all on its own.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:06
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Hunter Noventa posted:Xenosaga, even though it tries to take the time to explain itself, it's still confusing as hell. The slow dawning realization as I progressed through Ep. 2 that the writing couldn't hit anything they teed up was one of the biggest disappointments to my 19-year old Nietzsche reading self.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:08
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Episode III is a remarkable game for being able to mostly satisfactorily wrap up the various character arcs and plots. Saga vs. Gears is interesting for me because Gears absolutely wraps up its main plot better than Saga. Everything falls into place and you feel that satisfaction of understanding the how and why of it all. But at the same time XG gives no fucks about its party members beyond Fei, Elly and maybe Bart or Citan. Xenosaga meanwhile gives every party member a really awesome climax in the final game. But yeah, if you wanna understand the actual story of Xenosaga, you gotta read a lot of supplementary material.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:15
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What if they'd gotten to do the full six episodes? How wild would it have gotten? what could have been..... exquisite tea posted:The slow dawning realization as I progressed through Ep. 2 that the writing couldn't hit anything they teed up was one of the biggest disappointments to my 19-year old Nietzsche reading self. Xenosaga was such a weird series and wrote so many checks it couldn't cash but drat if I didn't eat that poo poo up anyway. They probably hit at just the right time for me, as a wanna-be smart guy late teenager. Episode 3 came out when I was 20 I think. It became very clear it was never gonna pay off all of the things it was setting up in any sort of satisfying way but I still just shoveled it all into my brain 
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Mar 10, 2021 17:16
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It's hard to say because released 1+2 are actually just the planned episode 1 and released 3 is like 2-4 compressed iirc. Like the whole Old Miltia section was going to be the majority of a game.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:25
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Also Xenosaga 1 and 3 have some really kickass soundtracks Then they did this weird thing with 2 where they got Yuki Kajiura to compose some fantastic music for the cutscenes but didn't hire her to make music for any gameplay stuff, so the game has awesome cutscene music and just utterly lifeless tracks for the gameplay. I was really happy that they hired Kajiura to do the whole soundtrack for Episode 3. I'm also now remembering that Episode 1 didn't actually have a boss theme, either, which I thought was oddly charming. Every battle except the final boss had the same track
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Mar 10, 2021 17:28
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The coolest part about XS episode 1 was how every single enemy attack was positioned in exactly such a way that when Sion ducked as part of her evasion animation, the attack would actually appear to miss her.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:36
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Was there ever a rerelease of Xenosaga? Or is it basically just emulate or ebay these days?
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Mar 10, 2021 17:41
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Not only is there no re-release, Harada personally said no to one.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:42
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harada didn't personally reject any remakes, he said that he'd like one but bandai namco's higher-up stuff doesn't think it would be profitable why they thought a remaster of mr. driller drill land they gave virtually zero advertising would be profitable instead, is a mystery for another day
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Mar 10, 2021 17:46
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A dozen-odd pages ago there was discussion about Namco's Tales series and their real-time combat, and I was reminded of their weird bastard cousin Star Ocean. I have very fond memories of Second Story for the PS1, thought my main point of comparison is FF8. I did still enjoy both Second Evolution on PSP and First Departure R on the Switch, but playing 3 in HD has served mainly to remind me how weird and janky 3 is even before the super-dumb 11th-hour reveal. From my limited exposure, 4 and 5 just seem like they're trying to justify their own existence in the wake of 3's ending. I remember hearing that Second Evolution got a PS4 glow-up featuring remade portraits and the original PS1 voice cast like First Departure R. Any hope of a Switch release? I think the PS4/Vita port got localized for mainland Asia and then just stopped. Still made it farther than Eternal Punishment PSP!
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Mar 10, 2021 17:47
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DQ11 has a sick fully orchestrated soundtrack that is easy as hell to mod into the game on pc. The midis are horrible - usually with midis from games there is some love put into the arrangement process but DQXI literally sounds like they scanned sheet music in to Finale or sonething and just went with how it sounded without ever going past an editor
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Mar 10, 2021 17:51
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Was there ever a rerelease of Xenosaga? Or is it basically just emulate or ebay these days? Emulate. Episode 1 is cheap because it got lots of copies due to being a Greatest Hits but Episode 3 is insanely expensive, around $100 or more. I feel very bad I left my copy behind when moving. The fact they never even put the games on PSN is what pisses me off. Digital Devil Saga, a spinoff of a third tier JRPG franchise, is on there but not Xenosaga which absolutely sold better and is more well known. Namco is just incompetent. It's like how Tekken 3 is apparently the best selling fighting game ever or something but I guess because of Gon they can't put it on anything, or so last I heard. Same reason all the Soul Calibur games are trapped on dead consoles. Harrow posted:Also Xenosaga 1 and 3 have some really kickass soundtracks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfS1nWtqZwU Xenosaga Episode 1 was one of my first JRPGs ever and I'll always love it to death.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:58
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NikkolasKing posted:Namco is just incompetent. It's like how Tekken 3 is apparently the best selling fighting game ever or something but I guess because of Gon they can't put it on anything, or so last I heard. Same reason all the Soul Calibur games are trapped on dead consoles. It's on the PS1 Classic
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Mar 10, 2021 18:01
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i don't think xenosaga is better known than shin megami tensei at this point but heck what do i know, i'm over here playing sonic chronicles: the dark brotherhood
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Mar 10, 2021 18:01
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I played the Japanese version of DQXI on release so had the orchestral soundtrack. A lot of the soundtrack just lingers on repetitive elements or has these strange repeating warble sections. There are some tracks I like, but it's probably my least favorite DQ soundtrack overall.
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Mar 10, 2021 18:05
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Charles Get-Out posted:There are some tracks I like, but it's probably my least favorite DQ soundtrack overall. One thing I noticed when I played DQXI is that almost every track I actually liked came from an earlier DQ game.
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Mar 10, 2021 18:09
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I love DQ and it sucks that the composer is a weirdo war crimes denying Japanese nationalist
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Mar 10, 2021 18:11
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NikkolasKing posted:The fact they never even put the games on PSN is what pisses me off. Digital Devil Saga, a spinoff of a third tier JRPG franchise, is on there but not Xenosaga which absolutely sold better and is more well known. SMT is one of the big three jrpg franchises lol. third tier only in the sense that final fantasy and DQ are on tiers of their own
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Looper posted:i don't think xenosaga is better known than shin megami tensei at this point but heck what do i know, i'm over here playing sonic chronicles: the dark brotherhood I know this was only 10 minutes ago but I want to draw more attention to this.
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Yeah what the hell SMT is way more popular and well known both in Japan and the West than Xenosaga lol
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