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Bashir is great what the hell is wrong with you guys
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Mar 10, 2021 17:06
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^ agreedknox posted:I mean, how we really going to expect Quark to be a model of women's rights as a Ferengi whose society is essentially Saudi arabia when it comes to women except they're naked instead of fully covered. And they make it a point to have his mother work to fundamentally change that, and Quark goes temporary trans for the cause. Generally I get what you're saying, but Profit and Lace is probably worse than you remember. I'm not super offended by the gender humor of it, it's not that much worse than any other "men are from Mars, women are fun Venus" observational humor. But they really go out of their way to give it as many uncomfortable implications as possible, especially the aforementioned thing where Quark pressures a female employee to give him sexual favors, then almost learns his lesson, and then doesn't have to because she's into it. In a way it sort of comes around to being so obviously bad that it doesn't need to be "cancelled" or whatever. It's self-canceling.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:09
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Nah, Bashir is every single obnoxious white dude in the medical/science field rolled into one. He sucks a huge holosuite turd.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:15
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I said come in! posted:Nah, Bashir is every single obnoxious white dude in the medical/science field rolled into one. He sucks a huge holosuite turd. ... rolled into an non-white anglo-arab guy. And his personal failings are why he's a good character. DS9 was the only series where characters had genuine flaws and shortcomings that werent just 'is he too committed to his job??', if they were bland avatars of professional goodness you'd have ripped the heart out of the show.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:25
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FlamingLiberal posted:Like I don’t think they meant offense against Trans people but it just does not hold up in modern viewing. I think they were going for the old comedy trope of ‘man dresses as woman to fool someone’ but with the unfortunate part where because it’s the future they can actually transform someone into another sex.  are fundamentally unsuited to leadership, and are ruled by emotion to the point of insanity, dear god imagine how horrible it would be to be trapped in the body of a woman" is so unbelievably lovely I realised it even as a kid.
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Mar 10, 2021 17:29
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multijoe posted:Bashir is great what the hell is wrong with you guys She doesn’t really do anything until Worf shows up
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Mar 10, 2021 18:30
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FlamingLiberal posted:Also Dax is the weakest character I like that episode where she goes on a murder spree with some Klingons. But the episode where she meets her former hosts, was really bad.
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Mar 10, 2021 18:35
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socialsecurity posted:Star Trek holds up better then some stuff, I tried rewatching Friends recently and 95% of the jokes are "you're gay eww no you're the gay ewww!" I suspect you may have watched some other show while under the impression that it was Friends. I never understood the Ferengi naked females thing. There is titanic profit to be had from the fashion industry that you could have imposed on half of your society.
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Mar 10, 2021 18:36
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I said come in! posted:I like that episode where she goes on a murder spree with some Klingons. But the episode where she meets her former hosts, was really bad. And yes Blood Oath is like the one good early Dax episode
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Mar 10, 2021 18:37
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Sash! posted:I suspect you may have watched some other show while under the impression that it was Friends. I suggest you go back and watch it before insulting people, I'm not the first person to notice this afterwards I looked it up and there's quite a bit written about Friends being homophobic.
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Mar 10, 2021 18:39
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Sash! posted:I suspect you may have watched some other show while under the impression that it was Friends. The episode Little Green Men should have been about Quark learning about this in 20th century earth, and taking the knowledge back with him.
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Mar 10, 2021 18:39
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It probably happens elsewhere in the series, but I noticed in Take Me Out to the Holosuite that Quark is fully capable of pronouncing "humans" correctly, which means all those other times he was saying "hu-mons" just to be an rear end in a top hat.
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Mar 10, 2021 18:46
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A lot of Jadzia Dax focused episodes seemed to have very little to do with Dax herself. Like, there's the one early on where her symbiote is forcibly removed, so the actor is just a set-piece (also, how did Quark not get kicked off the station for that one? He literally allows the station to be taken over and nearly causes the death of Jadzia). Or the one that had Dax accused of murder, and basically does nothing all episode while Sisko/Odo do the detective work.
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Mar 10, 2021 19:04
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I am just about done with the first season of ds9 and Bashir is easily my least favorite character with Dax a distant second. Kira and Quark are my favorites
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Mar 10, 2021 19:06
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a neat cape posted:I am just about done with the first season of ds9 and Bashir is easily my least favorite character with Dax a distant second. Bashir gets tolerable, and Dax gets way better late in the series (no, not THAT late in the series). Wait until you get more time with some of the supporting characters. I like several of them even better than the main cast.
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Mar 10, 2021 19:27
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I was predisposed to hate the Ferengi after going through TNG but goddamn Quark rules
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Mar 10, 2021 19:39
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Gully Foyle posted:A lot of Jadzia Dax focused episodes seemed to have very little to do with Dax herself. Like, there's the one early on where her symbiote is forcibly removed, so the actor is just a set-piece (also, how did Quark not get kicked off the station for that one? He literally allows the station to be taken over and nearly causes the death of Jadzia). Or the one that had Dax accused of murder, and basically does nothing all episode while Sisko/Odo do the detective work. He had no idea they were going to try and take over the station, he thought he was just selling some crystals to a dude
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Mar 10, 2021 19:54
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Sash! posted:I never understood the Ferengi naked females thing. There is titanic profit to be had from the fashion industry that you could have imposed on half of your society. That's actually one of the arguments made by the characters within the show. Though I think it actually might've been in "Profit and Lace" now that I think about it, so that's a good reason for it to be stricken from all memory In any event it would hardly be the first time a capitalist society resisted something that would actually be in its own best interest...
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Mar 10, 2021 20:14
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Sash! posted:I suspect you may have watched some other show while under the impression that it was Friends. This was literally the argument made by The Grand Nagus for why Ferengi females should be able to participate in the economy.
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Mar 10, 2021 20:22
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Payndz posted:It's definitely aged probably worse than anything else in DS9 (and it was a cringeworthy episode even at the time), but despite that it is not even a millionth as awful as 'Turnabout Intruder'. The entire theme of " I just watched a TNG ep called 'The Schizoid Man' which 1) wow that's a title and 2) the lecherous old fucker in the episode says to Deanna 'Women aren't people! They're women!' I mean we're not supposed to like that guy but the fact Deanna doesn't tell him to gently caress off makes me kinda sad.
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Mar 10, 2021 20:29
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socialsecurity posted:I suggest you go back and watch it before insulting people, I'm not the first person to notice this afterwards I looked it up and there's quite a bit written about Friends being homophobic. Yeah like 5 percent. Not the freaking core of the show
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Mar 10, 2021 20:36
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HopperUK posted:I just watched a TNG ep called 'The Schizoid Man' which 1) wow that's a title It’s named for an episode of The Prisoner which has a somewhat similar plot, though not so similar that TNG’s reuse of the title really makes sense.
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Mar 10, 2021 20:40
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Sash! posted:Yeah like 5 percent. Not the freaking core of the show Someone upthread said all MASH's humour is about rape/sexual assault and that's not true either. Though it's more of it than I'd like, and I am very fond of MASH as a show.
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Mar 10, 2021 20:43
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socialsecurity posted:I suggest you go back and watch it before insulting people, I'm not the first person to notice this afterwards I looked it up and there's quite a bit written about Friends being homophobic. The number of 90s sitcoms that aren’t homophobic has to be pretty low
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Mar 10, 2021 20:44
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I would like to point out that Sledge Hammer has aged perfectly with no problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0mqIXr7sh0
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Mar 10, 2021 20:45
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In the 90s, tolerance in media was characters being fine that someone was gay but otherwise breaking into gay panic if it was ever insinuated that someone straight was gay. So, it was progress that gay characters were starting to get representation, but still handled in a childish and hurtful way that perpetuated stereotypes and set behavior patterns for a generation.
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Mar 10, 2021 20:50
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Gully Foyle posted:A lot of Jadzia Dax focused episodes seemed to have very little to do with Dax herself. Like, there's the one early on where her symbiote is forcibly removed, so the actor is just a set-piece (also, how did Quark not get kicked off the station for that one? He literally allows the station to be taken over and nearly causes the death of Jadzia). Or the one that ehad Dax accused of murder, and basically does nothing all episode while Sisko/Odo do the detective work. What’s worse is that so many Dax episodes are about Dax the symbiont, rather than Jadzia the host. We learnt more about Ezri in one season than we did with Jadzia in six!
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Mar 10, 2021 21:12
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I do like Frakes for pushing for the agender species character in The Outcast to be male-identifying and not female, given that really undercuts any value the episode had as an LGBT metaphor
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Mar 10, 2021 21:14
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a neat cape posted:I was predisposed to hate the Ferengi after going through TNG but goddamn Quark rules The Ferengi in TNG are just so terribly executed. They're cartoon villains, and not even competent either. Add to that their excessive gestures and jumping around, and they just feel more like a joke than a threat. Compare them to the romulans, who are actually competent and have agendas and they fall completely flat. DS9, spearheaded by Quark, establishes the Ferengi as a much more nuanced race of capitalists, who work for themselves and not the unified government that TNG implies, which makes a lot more sense. And Quark specifically has a decently deep character, and that carries over to the others, including the nagus who shapes the entire culture. DS9 salvaged a failed race basically. Also I made it through TNG, which I started in January. It's good, but I definitely agree on S7 being the season of unmentioned family. And I'm choosing to believe that the future in All Good Things is not canon, mostly because of the loving warp speeds that were just completely unnecessary. I haven't watched Picard, so I don't know if I can ignore Beverly Picard yet. But if possible I will. That also shows it's age: Beverly has her own career and status and life, why the gently caress is she taking her husband's name? I get that she wasn't born Crusher, but most of her adult life she has used that name.
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Mar 10, 2021 21:52
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multijoe posted:I do like Frakes
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Mar 10, 2021 21:58
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FlamingLiberal posted:Also Dax is the weakest character This is facts- I disliked Jadzia the most up until Worf stuff that I wasn't crazy about to begin with, and even before that they stopped doing solo Jadzia stuff anyways. I thought the actress was pretty limited, albeit the best looking major character in Trek from what I've seen (TNG + DS9, maybe Seven is hotter though.) Same applies to Ezri, who I found more annoying but she's slowly getting better I guess. Season 7 is definitely too much Ezri as they try to jam her down your throat to catch up for new character. Should have been more Garak poo poo, I just finished the Ezri-Joran episode of S7. Also lmfao 
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Mar 10, 2021 21:59
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I rate dax 2/5 boners
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Mar 10, 2021 22:02
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knox posted:I thought the actress was pretty limited, albeit the best looking major character in Trek from what I've seen (TNG + DS9, maybe Seven is hotter though.) Did you just not see Frakes? I mean, after he grew the beard obviously.
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Mar 10, 2021 22:17
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Best looking woman*, obviously when it comes to Riker we all Lwaxana.
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Mar 10, 2021 22:24
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Gene's Vision still perseveres.
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Mar 10, 2021 22:35
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Horny for Morn.
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Mar 10, 2021 23:08
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I am invoking Janeway's Law, everybody stuff your giblets back into your space PJs and cool off.
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Mar 10, 2021 23:25
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Nitrousoxide posted:Remember when Q was trying to tempt Riker into becoming a Q and he creates those woman, who's entire life consisted of rubbing Will's chest for about 10 seconds before being obliterated into nothingness. Maybe Q went back in time five minutes to go to Risa and say to a couple of women, "Can you come rub this guy's chest and act all sexy for a few? I'll resurrect your favourite childhood pet if you do," and then just teleported them in and out for the bit rather than going to the trouble of creating fully complete women. Or maybe they're holograms. Q could make a holo-character outside of a holodeck. Maybe Q just created a few extra bodies of himself and shapeshifted them to look like women. Every Q body we see is just a projection of this god-like extradimensional being anyway. Even with unlimited power, there's lots of ways Q could actually perform his various tricks.
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Mar 10, 2021 23:34
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Isn't Janeway's Law: Stop being attracted to anyone, and then yelling at random bums for being inconsiderate to you, before genociding a race?
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Mar 10, 2021 23:40
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Axe-man posted:Isn't Janeway's Law: Stop being attracted to anyone, and then yelling at random bums for being inconsiderate to you, before genociding a race? 
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Mar 10, 2021 23:53
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