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alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

the quaxis of evil

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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
presdident she, the coalition of guys actively running concentration camps condemns you, jack.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

the 2016 lover posted:

I think it’s possible that joe biden isn’t chiming in on Andrew Cuomo because there’s hours of footage of him huffing hair from visibly uncomfortable teenagers

that would require him to think that that footage was bad in any way

i'm guessing his handlers just say no

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

comedyblissoption posted:

to qualify for cobra you have to not qualify for medicare/another employer plan and your employer has to be bigger than ~2 dozen employees and you can't quit lol and youre hosed come september if you cant find a job with health insurance benefits as the economic crisis deepens

also you dont qualify for cobra if "your employer fires you for gross misconduct"

lmao

i'm guessing gross misconduct includes saying the word "union" out loud

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

sexpig by night posted:

presdident she, the coalition of guys actively running concentration camps condemns you, jack.

president xi, jack, you are running your camps incorrectly

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020

I suppose all the posts in here from various enlightened posters saying how Biden was a right-wing Blue Dog neocon don't count as evidence, do they? I agree, Biden campaigned on multiple progressive causes but for some reason people liked to yell about how he was a right-winger. Funny old world, isn't it?

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


So how long until the zoomers and younger millenials figure out AOC is fleecing them or does she just get a series of new desperate young people to cycle in as the older ones check out when exciting COBRA plans (which is maybe not great if you are long term unemployed or your job didn't offer health care) don't engage when the twitch streaming novelty wears off.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Bootleg Trunks posted:

I suppose all the posts in here from various enlightened posters saying how Biden was a right-wing Blue Dog neocon don't count as evidence, do they? I agree, Biden campaigned on multiple progressive causes but for some reason people liked to yell about how he was a right-winger. Funny old world, isn't it?

oh no, watch out, they'll come for you :ohdear:

BitcoinRockefeller
May 11, 2003

God gave me my money.

Hair Elf

gradenko_2000 posted:



this is probably the closest AOC is going to get to influencing administration policy

Yep.
https://twitter.com/RepAOC/status/1369799701915201545?s=19

Edgar Allan Pwned
Apr 4, 2011

Quoth the Raven "I love the power glove. It's so bad..."
we should get goons in office. at best for good policy at worst for the lols

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Eggplant Squire posted:

So how long until the zoomers and younger millenials figure out AOC is fleecing them or does she just get a series of new desperate young people to cycle in as the older ones check out when exciting COBRA plans (which is maybe not great if you are long term unemployed or your job didn't offer health care) don't engage when the twitch streaming novelty wears off.

If Obama is any indication, 4-8 years, possibly longer.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

lol I remember a couple of months ago when there was a letter circulating that was supposedly of AOC expressing support for Free Tibet that people insisted was fake

EDIT:

https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1342207664235937792

gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 17:09 on Mar 13, 2021

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

comedyblissoption posted:

to qualify for cobra you have to not qualify for medicare/another employer plan and your employer has to be bigger than ~2 dozen employees and you can't quit lol and youre hosed come september if you cant find a job with health insurance benefits as the economic crisis deepens

also you dont qualify for cobra if "your employer fires you for gross misconduct"

lmao

There's no reason whatsoever to have free cobra premiums expire partway through the year except to let insurance companies double up on two sets of deductibles. If you want coverage of claims, you want everyone on ACA as fast as possible, then they can meet deductible and finally get the health care they need by the end of the year

So yeah this is a pretty obvious setup to gently caress people over. It'll be sold as a way to keep your doctor/healthcare group since so few places take ACA plans but you're going to be on one of those regardless if you can't find a different job!


If the ACA subsidies are legit then you're looking at 0 premiums and 2/3rds of your copay/deductible waived as well , which is actually one of the best possible healthcare plans out there. Something like 200/mo per person for complete coverage

BitcoinRockefeller
May 11, 2003

God gave me my money.

Hair Elf

Eggplant Squire posted:

So how long until the zoomers and younger millenials figure out AOC is fleecing them or does she just get a series of new desperate young people to cycle in as the older ones check out when exciting COBRA plans (which is maybe not great if you are long term unemployed or your job didn't offer health care) don't engage when the twitch streaming novelty wears off.

they actually aren't allowed to turn on AOC, that would be purity testing/dangerous populism/having unrealistic expectations etc. once you've voted for someone they are your liege lord and you owe them lifetime fealty.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

gradenko_2000 posted:

lol I remember a couple of months ago when there was a letter circulating that was supposedly of AOC expressing support for Free Tibet that people insisted was fake

EDIT:

https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1342207664235937792

plz joe, back this ancient theocracy that has slaves and a caste system, for freedom

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

sexpig by night posted:

For real though it's cool Joe's making an alliance with three rapidly right wing shifting countries to counter China, I'm sure a tag team with Modi's ethno-nationalism, Abe's classic right wing economic corruption and war crime denial, and Australia's immigrant death camps, will really be known as the good guys.

lol we’re the new axis power

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

congrats to japan on it's axis power perfect attendance award

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

Yinlock posted:

congrats to japan on it's axis power perfect attendance award

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Yinlock posted:

congrats to japan on it's axis power perfect attendance award

The only country with an unblemished record by this metric is the ottoman empire

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Yinlock posted:

congrats to japan on it's axis power perfect attendance award

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Japan wasn't even gonna be in it at first but Abe heard Modi and Australia were joining up with us for hyper nationalism and knew where this was going.

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

Shipon posted:

it was such a mis-managed disaster that you almost wonder if it was intentional sabotage from some people involved

the leak of ongoing union negotiations over adjusting pay to account for greater hours and the effect it had on health insurance subsidy qualifications was almost definitely someone in there taking their shot

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Oh Snapple! posted:

the leak of ongoing union negotiations over adjusting pay to account for greater hours and the effect it had on health insurance subsidy qualifications was almost definitely someone in there taking their shot

wait, what's this about subsidy qualifications? weren't they all getting insurance through the campaign, not aca?

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

I mis-remembered, the increase in pay would have increased their share of the premium cost so negotiation was needed to work that particular bit out.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Oh Snapple! posted:

the leak of ongoing union negotiations over adjusting pay to account for greater hours and the effect it had on health insurance subsidy qualifications was almost definitely someone in there taking their shot

plus half of the campaign staff/consultants openly opposed anything that would appear like "movement building" and instead wanted to run a "more traditional presidential campaign" which to anyone with any political understanding was clearly going to make sure Sanders lost.

Adjectivist Philosophy
Oct 6, 2003

When you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.
I looked and beheld a pale horse, and his rider's name was

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020

https://twitter.com/FreemanWSJ/status/1370479207881572358?s=20

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Any civilization with beautiful, lovely Gulags for people like James Freeman is a great one.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

a Loving Dog posted:

I defended her for so long lol. never again.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




gradenko_2000 posted:



she went from medicare 4 all to FREE COBRA PREMIUMS

jesus christ lol

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004


this is a really shoddy article overall, very sad stuff. its 75% quotes.

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014

Trabisnikof posted:

plus half of the campaign staff/consultants openly opposed anything that would appear like "movement building" and instead wanted to run a "more traditional presidential campaign" which to anyone with any political understanding was clearly going to make sure Sanders lost.

You guys have any good readings about this? This runs counter to how any Democratic Socialist advocates justify their position. The movement building is supposed to be the main goal.

Ghost of RBG
Sep 21, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

gradenko_2000 posted:



she went from medicare 4 all to FREE COBRA PREMIUMS

(through September)

FormaldehydeSon
Oct 1, 2011

Lol USA is a failed state

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


is cuomo being removed/convicted yet for being a sex harasser?

gradenko_2000 posted:



she went from medicare 4 all to FREE COBRA PREMIUMS

"this is what's in the bill" --> ? --> "aoc no longer supports M4A"

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


Traditional conservatism is thinking that something that hasn't been tried not only isn't possible, but shouldn't be even tried because if it made things better, someone would have done it by now

aside from how so many modern countries have implemented national health systems

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

ToxicAcne posted:

You guys have any good readings about this? This runs counter to how any Democratic Socialist advocates justify their position. The movement building is supposed to be the main goal.

yeah it was the non-dsa consultants (like the ones now working for biden) who were pushing for a "traditional campaign" over movement building. Bernie sided with them, and then got owned when the traditional powers hosed him over.

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


SKULL.GIF posted:

"this is what's in the bill" --> ? --> "aoc no longer supports M4A"

man, are you really going to posit "this is what's in the bill" is the only reason someone might say that aoc doesn't support m4a? :thunk:

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

comedyblissoption posted:

lol @ the likelihood sanders blames himself for basically calling hillary corrupt and he vowed not to do it again

Bernie had every member of the democrat party scream at him for years that Trump winning was his fault, and he absolutely took that to heart. Bernie's core problem has always been that he was too nice to succeed at cutthroat politics. He was always doomed to failure because he can't call 'his good friends' motherfuckers.

etalian posted:

One of the funniest bits from 2016 was how Crooked Hillary didn't even give a concession speech after her campaign choked while all the Crooked Hillary supporters sobbed for hours at the campaign HQ.

Sad!

Even with Hillary's leadership capabilities on full display she still had her diehard defenders saying it was fine for her to take time to weep in private, a thing a US president absolutely has the luxury to do. The 3 AM ad from 2008 was extremely funny in retrospect. Its 3 AM and theres a crisis, where is the president? Crying and throwing things at staffers while refusing to deal with reality.

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