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Relevant Tangent posted:so are no sterilizations happening? https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1364051137578602501 https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1364054462374019072 https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1364056074026971136 https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1364056989614145537 
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Mar 14, 2021 15:34
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:my mom got sterilized. not in xinjiang tho yeah, i have personal connections to chinese people who have been forcibly sterilized and jailed for religious activities
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Mar 14, 2021 15:36
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Just shows how quickly China can put more people in camps every day
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Mar 14, 2021 15:36
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Cerebral Bore posted:it's almost like shitlib woke foreign policy is the modern equivalent to 19th century "mission to civilize" bullshit, and is used in the same way to provide an acceotable smokescreen for virulent racism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXBssOoVRcI&t=736s
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Mar 14, 2021 15:40
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dude admits that they're implanting IUDs against the will of the people who are having IUDs put into them, you sure this was what you wanted to post?
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Mar 14, 2021 15:49
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Relevant Tangent posted:dude admits that they're implanting IUDs against the will of the people who are having IUDs put into them, you sure this was what you wanted to post? You're illiterate
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Mar 14, 2021 15:54
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Relevant Tangent posted:dude admits that they're implanting IUDs against the will of the people who are having IUDs put into them, you sure this was what you wanted to post? did you actually read what he was saying or did you just go cross eyed and started drooling after the first sentence
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Mar 14, 2021 16:14
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Cao Ni Ma posted:did you actually read what he was saying or did you just go cross eyed and started drooling after the first sentence i don't think the state has the right to implant an IUD against someone's will, do you?
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Mar 14, 2021 16:25
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Does the discussion about general population control something to do with genocide, which apparently sent you here?
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Mar 14, 2021 16:47
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Relevant Tangent posted:dude admits that they're implanting IUDs against the will of the people who are having IUDs put into them, you sure this was what you wanted to post? Relevant Tangent posted:i don't think the state has the right to implant an IUD against someone's will, do you? Why are you trying to make this about what I think, and not about the poo poo you just posted you gently caress The relevant part of the tweets "In addition to IUD placements millions of condoms were distributed in the XUAR, along with the availability of depo shots. Even without having had two children, families opted for all of the above, especially in urban areas"
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Mar 14, 2021 17:13
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fart simpson posted:it’s seemingly full of weirdos that have made hating china a core part of their personality I really don't even get actively hating china in that way. Lets assume that everything Adrian Zenz says is true, even in that case what value is there in hyper-focusing on China, which we as citizens in the west have no ability to control, vs something like Israel, Saudi Arabia, or some other country committing serious human rights abuses while receiving unholy amounts of US aid. It's like the next level of "making up a guy to be mad at," but it's even better because this Like, imagine if Zenz wasn't just an unhinged evangelical who hates communism and who was just exaggerating everything that he's saying with the help of the US state department in order to push US interests abroad, even if everything that he was saying was 100% true, what could you even do about it compared to pushing for an end to military aid to Israel because of their active attempts to ethnically cleanse the West Bank, or pushing for an end to US backing of the dictatorship in SA. These are things that the west can actually do, we just aren't. note that I'm not talking about natsec ghouls who are pushing anti-china sentiment vs how they aren't pushing anti-SA sentiment. I get them, they're just evil.
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Mar 14, 2021 17:33
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TeenageArchipelago posted:I really don't even get actively hating china in that way. Lets assume that everything Adrian Zenz says is true, even in that case what value is there in hyper-focusing on China, which we as citizens in the west have no ability to control, vs something like Israel, Saudi Arabia, or some other country committing serious human rights abuses while receiving unholy amounts of US aid. It's like the next level of "making up a guy to be mad at," but it's even better because this Whites really dislike non-whites. Chinese people are always surprised and confused by this style of Anglosphere thinking because they don't understand/comprehend how the entire Anglosphere worldview revolves around a made up 1920s notion of race.
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Mar 14, 2021 17:41
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TeenageArchipelago posted:I really don't even get actively hating china in that way. Lets assume that everything Adrian Zenz says is true, even in that case what value is there in hyper-focusing on China, which we as citizens in the west have no ability to control, vs something like Israel, Saudi Arabia, or some other country committing serious human rights abuses while receiving unholy amounts of US aid. It's like the next level of "making up a guy to be mad at," but it's even better because this 2) all of the western propaganda organs are telling people to hate china since they are cutting in on the western imperialist project https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/10/06/unfavorable-views-of-china-reach-historic-highs-in-many-countries/ 
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Mar 14, 2021 17:58
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Mantis42 posted:the gbs thread is one of the most unhinged threads on this website. Outside of a couple places on the internet every China discussion ends up that way. They will always preface their statements with something like "I don't hate the Chinese people, I hate the CPC" and then say something like "yeah Chinese people's skull sizes are 2.3% smaller than white peoples' so they don't have brain capacity to understand that you should be nice to one another".
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Mar 14, 2021 18:10
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Outside of a couple places on the internet every China discussion ends up that way. I would be amazed if any of them actually knew enough about China to use the correct acronym for the Communist Party of China.
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Mar 14, 2021 18:12
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Yea the amount of people who just straight up say poo poo like "the Chinese have less empathy than westerners", "the Chinese can only copy and are incapable of creating something new", "the Chinese habitually rip people off" etc is insane. When I went to China a half decade ago, people thought it was exotic and interesting, now when I mention it they treat China like it's Mordor.
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Mar 14, 2021 18:46
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Was the one child policy Han genocide. Their birth rates plummeted in comparison to other groups in the country.
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Mar 14, 2021 19:19
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Atrocious Joe posted:Was the one child policy Han genocide. Their birth rates plummeted in comparison to other groups in the country. Yes?
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Mar 14, 2021 19:33
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TeenageArchipelago posted:I really don't even get actively hating china in that way. Lets assume that everything Adrian Zenz says is true, even in that case what value is there in hyper-focusing on China, which we as citizens in the west have no ability to control, vs something like Israel, Saudi Arabia, or some other country committing serious human rights abuses while receiving unholy amounts of US aid. It's like the next level of "making up a guy to be mad at," but it's even better because this The US doesn't not care the Muslims in the northwest part of China, they only care because its a geopolitical issue they can leverage in the global anti China narrative. Consider this, the west has not said a loving thing about the Muslims killed in Kashmir by the India police, nor the anti Muslim CAA law. Want more examples? BBC/CNN/western media has published 1000 news item about the Rohingya in Myranmar, they have not said anything about the other ethnic minority genocides in other part of Myanmar. The Karen in the Thai border and the Kashin and Kokang minorities in the north. Not a single thing. Only media who has said anything about the Karen and the Kashin is Al Jazeera. Why doesn't the west (and the brain washed morons on twitter) say anything about the Karens? who are even Christian and suffer genocidal tactics for about a decade earlier than the Rohingyas get any attention? because it doesn't suite the US need to use it as a geopolitical hot button issue to turn a political party inside Myanmar. This whole factory of Adrian Zenz is US State Dept playing 5D chess.
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Mar 14, 2021 19:36
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please, explain.
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Mar 14, 2021 19:41
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The most hilarious anti-chinese sentiment I've heard is "the chinese are ruthless, they only care about personal advancement, making money and winning at all costs. They have no sense of community or honor as opposed to westerners."  . These are opinions originating from western chinese expat youtube channels.
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Mar 14, 2021 19:42
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mawarannahr posted:please, explain. If you're keeping people from having kids by forcing them not to have kids against their will that's bad. If you're doing it based on their race or perceived race, that's a genocide.
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Mar 14, 2021 19:55
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Relevant Tangent posted:If you're keeping people from having kids by forcing them not to have kids against their will that's bad. If you're doing it based on their race or perceived race, that's a genocide. tell me more about how the han chinese are genociding themselves
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Mar 14, 2021 19:58
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I am glad we have all these good faith D&D posters coming here to set the record straight.
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Mar 14, 2021 20:01
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ted hitler hunter posted:The most hilarious anti-chinese sentiment I've heard is "the chinese are ruthless, they only care about personal advancement, making money and winning at all costs. They have no sense of community or honor as opposed to westerners." The main reason I stop reading the GBS thread and unsubscriped. There are lot of other casual nearly as dumb generalizations like "XX area of China have terrible taste in beer" etc. In fact, it drove me to make china-topic discourse mainly in China language forum, now that I think about it. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 20:14 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 20:08
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Cerebral Bore posted:tell me more about how the han chinese are genociding themselves what do you call being forcibly prevented from having children?
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Mar 14, 2021 20:51
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Relevant Tangent posted:what do you call being forcibly prevented from having children? Why do you need a special name for it, very good faith poster?
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Mar 14, 2021 20:53
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so the chinese committed genocide on their entire own population, but especially against their ethnic majority
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Mar 14, 2021 20:55
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcfvCEaZoa0 ♩ let's get down to business ♫ ♩ to defeat ♫ ♩ the han ♫
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Mar 14, 2021 20:58
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genericnick posted:Why do you need a special name for it, very good faith poster? I guess you don't?
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Mar 14, 2021 21:01
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1364051137578602501 Actually I'm not quite sure what I'm reading here? "IUD placements were substituted for fines once U2C came into place". So the new policy is what? You get an IUD or you pay a fine if you have too many kids? What was the old policy?
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Mar 14, 2021 21:04
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Relevant Tangent posted:what do you call being forcibly prevented from having children? Relevant Tangent posted:I guess you don't? Just? Asking questions??? ? ???? ?
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Mar 14, 2021 21:18
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Relevant Tangent posted:what do you call being forcibly prevented from having children? I think it’s dishonest to frame the one/two child policy as genocide because its intent isn’t to destroy a group of people. It’s a population control measure, that has arguably allowed China to develop a better standard of living faster than otherwise. Obviously it’s extremely invasive, especially if forced sterilization is involved (I admit I don’t know if it is or not), but in any case its intent is clearly not to destroy the Han population, or any population of China.
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Mar 14, 2021 21:27
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Relevant Tangent posted:what do you call being forcibly prevented from having children? Population planning, a common practice around the globe. Especially common in poorer countries where high birth rates paired with uneven economic development affect quality of life for the citizenry. Admittedly china's two child policy is the most expansive form of population planning, but it's also been by far the most successful at lowering the birth rate. 
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Mar 14, 2021 21:35
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maybe we should have ramped up economic sanctions on china to punish the ccp for its genocidal one child policy
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Mar 14, 2021 21:36
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Admittedly, there is an argue to be made that if anything it went too far and now the PRC has to pretty rapidly move in a different direction. That said, there is a case to be made that China's policy just was very invasive in everyday lives even through there was a coherent rationale behind it. As far as Deng, I would say he was taking lessons from Asian Tiger economies, but the willingness of state socialist societies to actively work with the Western financial institutions and corporations long-predates him. Most of Leninism (and by extension Maoism to a large extent) was always pragmatic when it came to day to day economic management, the emphasis was on the control of the vanguard party. It was always about "trust us we know what we are doing." It is why there was such a hard split with orthodox Marxists early on. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 21:42 on Mar 14, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2021 21:38
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Compare China to India's population planning wherein the state merely offers incentives for sterilization and they're still struggling to lower the rate today. As a result of their slower method many more rural indians live in absolute squalor with little access to contraceptives or abortion, in comparison to the Chinese.
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Mar 14, 2021 21:39
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what is the something awful forums moderator stance on china's one child policy being genocide??
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Mar 14, 2021 21:42
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weird how a well-known policy from 1978 is just being called genocide now
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Mar 14, 2021 21:44
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Han self genocide sounds like the crazy inane things that republicans say about white liberals or whatever
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Mar 14, 2021 21:48
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