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It's extra dumb because they're treating Pepe Le Pew as, like, the latest target of the left to show how ridiculous cancel culture has gotten, but I remember people talking about how he's probably not a great figure for kids to see and find funny at least a decade ago. The critique is nothing new
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Oh poo poo, that means we can't be more than 3 months away from "how can complain about cartoon tobacco use when cartoon piano fall on cat?" again.
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Mar 14, 2021 20:54
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Who could have possibly predicted that the Venn diagram of people who complain about cancel culture, and those who think women are objects to be played with at will, is a single circle.
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Mar 14, 2021 22:08
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Kids don't see pianos fall on cartoon characters and then go drop pianos on each other. Why does anyone think they'd see cartoon characters smoking and go and smoke?
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Mar 15, 2021 01:28
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Pepe Le Pew has to be one of the most blatant cases of "Yeah that was probably kinda hosed up to teach kids" and they're still trying to act outraged about it. They'll say poo poo like "When I was a kid we were smart enough to not blow ourselves up because of a cartoon!" in response to old cartoons being censored, which is also not really fair because I'm sure the most limiting factor was access to dynamite. Were they smart enough to realize they shouldn't pester women to the point of sexual harassment though? Observation says, no.
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Mar 15, 2021 01:28
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Grimdude posted:Pepe Le Pew has to be one of the most blatant cases of "Yeah that was probably kinda hosed up to teach kids" and they're still trying to act outraged about it. They'll say poo poo like "When I was a kid we were smart enough to not blow ourselves up because of a cartoon!" in response to old cartoons being censored, which is also not really fair because I'm sure the most limiting factor was access to dynamite. The core joke of Pepe le Pew is "Frenchies can't keep it in their pants lol" mixing with with "He is a skunk so the advances are unreciprocated lol." A core tenet is that Pepe le Pew is weird and not like a Good Red-Blooded American Man, and so he is not to be emulated. So why are Facebook Pearl-clutchers complaining that he's being called a poor role model? Surely a better target for the right would be: "Why can't I stereotype an entire culture and call it intirinsically funny, because it's crazy just because it's different? Why can't Foreign People be a joke and a punchline for my amusement anymore?"
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Mar 15, 2021 01:39
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My mom hit her younger brother in the head with a frying pan because she saw it on the Three Stooges when they were little. Anyone who tells you that kids were smarter than to emulate TV back in the Old Days is stupid or lying or both.
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Mar 15, 2021 01:52
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Notice they aren’t trying to advocate to keep Speedy Gonzalez?
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Invalid Validation posted:Notice they aren’t trying to advocate to keep Speedy Gonzalez? Has he been canceled? That’s a shame, he’s seen as a National hero in Mexico
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Mar 15, 2021 03:43
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no, he wasnt canceled , speedy was also a regular chracter in 2014's Looney Tunes Show
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Pepe was definitely the Looney Tune I hated the most growing up. Even my dumb kid self was like, "Dude, she's not into you, leave her alone!" It didn't help that it was literally a single "joke" somehow spread over a dozen episodes. (gently caress I just looked it up and there were 18 episodes of this poo poo.  )a fatguy baldspot posted:Has he been canceled? That’s a shame, he’s seen as a National hero in Mexico Yes, actually. Warner Brothers quietly shelved his cartoons in the 90's but several Hispanic groups lobbied to get him put back on.
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Mar 15, 2021 04:15
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Invalid Validation posted:Notice they aren’t trying to advocate to keep Speedy Gonzalez? 
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Jagged Jim posted:Pepe was definitely the Looney Tune I hated the most growing up. Even my dumb kid self was like, "Dude, she's not into you, leave her alone!" It didn't help that it was literally a single "joke" somehow spread over a dozen episodes. (gently caress I just looked it up and there were 18 episodes of this poo poo. he's complicated. his clothes are basically just a copy of what pancho villa wore when he was hamming it up for hollywood in the early 20th century. so like, not great, basically a earnest copy of a guy who was self-caricaturizing to make ends meet, but also not on par with minstrel blackface. thats my understanding at least
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Lemniscate Blue posted:My mom hit her younger brother in the head with a frying pan because she saw it on the Three Stooges when they were little. Survivorship bias may also play a part.
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Dumb thing #648 about this dumb cancel culture furor: Pepe Le Pew and Speedy Gonzalez already had little to no part in the first Space Jam movie, if I recall correctly. Gossamer, Rocky and Mugsy, Beaky Buzzard, and Giovanni Jones (the opera guy from Long-Haired Hare) have been CANCELLED from Space Jam 2. Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Mar 15, 2021 |
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Mar 15, 2021 16:13
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Dr Christmas posted:Dumb thing #648 about this dumb cancel culture furor: Pepe Le Pew and Speedy Gonzalez already had little to no part in the first Space Jam movie, if I recall correctly. Yeah, it's like the "Apu is a racist caricature" thing again. By the time the outrage happened, they'd already almost stopped using the character, except in Pepe le Pew's case there wasn't even any initial outrage to spark the decision to official retire him.
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Mar 15, 2021 16:17
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Speedy is racist but at least he is the hero and is presented as the competent one. Pepe was just rapey.
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Plus it's not like the character was included in the film and then cut post-facto to "appease the radical left" or whatever. They just decided not to use him. Just like the Dr Seuss estate thing, the folks most pissed off are the ones that normally LOVE talking about how business should get to make whatever decisions they want with no oversight or interference.
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Mar 15, 2021 16:19
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Ah but you see they only did it because of pressure from the left, which nobody else would ever dare do to a private business.
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Mar 15, 2021 16:24
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Speedy is racist but at least he is the hero and is presented as the competent one. Pepe was just rapey. The reason he’s so popular in Mexico is bc he was the opposite of the popular racist depictions of the time - which said Mexicans were lazy, dumb criminals who loved to sleep. Speedy even has a cousin like this.
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Mar 15, 2021 18:28
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"Lazy" has always seemed like such an odd negative characteristic that gets overused by racists/conservatives in general. Are most humans not some degree of lazy? Would we not prefer to do less work over more? Aside from higher pay, which sometimes has diminishing returns anyway, isn't the point of "moving up" so that you don't have to do as much menial work? Also, isn't what we'd describe as "laziness" often how we come up with innovations that make work/life easier? Some dumb shithead who only values work ethic or whatever isn't going to be looking for shortcuts because they probably think it demeans the work.
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Guavanaut posted:There's been a bit of uncritical sharing of alt-right looking memes over it. Ah yes, going with the antisemitism double whammy with the creator names there as well
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a fatguy baldspot posted:The reason he’s so popular in Mexico is bc he was the opposite of the popular racist depictions of the time - which said Mexicans were lazy, dumb criminals who loved to sleep. Speedy even has a cousin like this. Whose other defining trait is "he got a gun"
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Guavanaut posted:Ah but you see they only did it because of pressure from the left, which nobody else would ever dare do to a private business. I think a lot of Boomers and Gen-Xers grew up in a time where large pressure campaigns were kind of required for any decision like this to happen. It's kind of hard for them to wrap their head around studios and producers just... making those decisions themselves, now. They seem to think any even mildly-liberal decision or inclusion was due to an angry bra-burning mob hounding their headquarters day and night. It's why you see accusations of "caving to the left" when cartoons occasionally have gay characters in them. Like, buddy, literally every person in the animation industry is some shade of gay*, there was no outside conspiracy here. *in my experience, which I assume is universal
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Grimdude posted:"Lazy" has always seemed like such an odd negative characteristic that gets overused by racists/conservatives in general. Are most humans not some degree of lazy? Would we not prefer to do less work over more? Aside from higher pay, which sometimes has diminishing returns anyway, isn't the point of "moving up" so that you don't have to do as much menial work? That's true but they don't typically use it to deride Asian people for some reason. They seem to reserve it for "the darker the skin color, the lazier they are", which I'd honestly never really thought about but GTFO either way with that poo poo anyway. The black and Hispanic coworkers I know who work thankless labor bust their loving asses at thankless tasks. I've come across a ton of lazy white people and the worst ones were always like some relative of a boss or of the owner who acted like they totally worked their rear end off to get there and never seemed to stop deriding everyone else for not working hard enough. The ones whose "Uncle got them the job" often seemed to be ones who were the most outspoken about Carlos the janitor and his lazy habits or poo poo like that.
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Grimdude posted:"Lazy" has always seemed like such an odd negative characteristic that gets overused by racists/conservatives in general. Are most humans not some degree of lazy? Would we not prefer to do less work over more? Aside from higher pay, which sometimes has diminishing returns anyway, isn't the point of "moving up" so that you don't have to do as much menial work? This is a really overwrought way to say racial stereotypes are bad and inaccurate op.
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Grimdude posted:"Lazy" has always seemed like such an odd negative characteristic that gets overused by racists/conservatives in general. Are most humans not some degree of lazy? Would we not prefer to do less work over more? Aside from higher pay, which sometimes has diminishing returns anyway, isn't the point of "moving up" so that you don't have to do as much menial work? Keep in mind that 'lazy' also works into the whole Puritan Work Ethic mythos that's so strong in the US. You work hard and you get rewarded. Do good at your job and you'll be promoted up, from mail room boy all the way up to CEO. If this doesn't happen it's not because that's not how reality works, it's because you are lazy. For obvious reasons their lack of success is because of other outside causes.
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Mar 16, 2021 01:57
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:
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Mar 16, 2021 13:23
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 Forcing the conservatives to defend the rape skunk is a neverending fountain of content.
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Facebook is the ultimate boomer yelling at clouds cause they can yell at clouds with other people.
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TinTower posted:
Ah yes. Mutual consent versus attempted rape. What's the world coming to? So...to your average conservative, is it jut a matter of "everything that was old, accepted, considered funny and that happened" was automatically good? The whole, "back in my day/I turned out fine" poo poo?
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TinTower posted:
8yos in 1945: Holding a girl's body against yours and trying to force a kiss on her is funny, I guess. Ha ha! 8yos in 2021: What's a Grammy? Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Ah yes. Mutual consent versus attempted rape. I can't help but presume that any straight man doing hand wringing over two girls doing it has a browser history chock full of girl on girl porn
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Grimdude posted:"Lazy" has always seemed like such an odd negative characteristic that gets overused by racists/conservatives in general. Are most humans not some degree of lazy? Would we not prefer to do less work over more? Aside from higher pay, which sometimes has diminishing returns anyway, isn't the point of "moving up" so that you don't have to do as much menial work? It's easiest to understand this through the lens of 'The virtuous are deserving of their just rewards'. Laziness always carries the implication that the target is undeserving. It's like how some people blow a fuckin gasket when the topic of white privilege comes up. They feel personally attacked because the least hint of privilege is the same as accusing them of being undeserving.
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Pththya-lyi posted:8yos in 1945: Holding a girl's body against yours and trying to force a kiss on her is funny, I guess. Ha ha! 
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Mar 17, 2021 12:48
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Oh god the amount of impotent rage you can summon by taking issue with that picture in particular.
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An overwhelming majority of people are hard working. The problem is that the work available for them that pays money might not be the work that they're passionate about. Which is why someone can spend a whole work day barely scraping through a shift at their lovely minimum wage job and then spend a whole Saturday landscaping a minor city in minecraft brick by brick for 16 hours straight while the day just breezes by in what feels like minutes. Out there are people who's actual job feels like building in minecraft or grinding in an MMO and they just get into it and they will then be perceived as hard working people in general.
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Twelve by Pies posted:You'd think the right wing would be all over RC Cola since it started in the south and has (as far as I know) avoided the types of controversies both Coke and Pepsi have. Why did you summon me to this hell thread
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TinTower posted:
Is this a Margaret Thatcher St Patrick's Day Meme?
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