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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, I really liked the Krypton stuff in Man of Steel and honestly a lot of it is good decisions. The comics story where the planet is obviously, clearly dying and the population stands around going "lmao nothing out of the normal here" until they passively blow up? Come the gently caress on, of course Krypton's last moments are bloody civil war and rioting. The world is literally ending! There's a real feeling that Snyder would rather be telling that story, with Russell Crowe riding dragons in a sci-fi disaster movie than have to tell a story about a superhero he doesn't understand. I'd rather see Snyder direct that movie that watch Man Of Steel.
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He understands Superman quite clearly. The idea that he "didn't want" to make a Superman movie is completely loving ridiculous. He's a huge Superman fan.
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Gaz-L posted:There's a real feeling that Snyder would rather be telling that story, with Russell Crowe riding dragons in a sci-fi disaster movie than have to tell a story about a superhero he doesn't understand. I'd rather see Snyder direct that movie that watch Man Of Steel. I mostly liked Man of Steel, and I would gladly trade it for a Zack Snyder science fantasy sword and planet thing like his Krypton looked.
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Mar 16, 2021 02:25
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John Wick of Dogs posted:He understands Superman quite clearly. The idea that he "didn't want" to make a Superman movie is completely loving ridiculous. He's a huge Superman fan. They said rather make not didn't want to.
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Mar 16, 2021 02:31
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McCloud posted:I think it speaks volumes about the comic book fans that all it took for them to like Superman was empty fanservice of him smiling and making dumb and corny statements about hope and car keys Don't do this.
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Mar 16, 2021 02:41
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Peyote Panda posted:I don't know if this was deliberate on the writers' part or not but I also liked how the beginning tangentially shat all over the Kryptonian concept of people being born to specific classes. Zod and his troops were selected to be soldiers but Jor El clowns on them all in their fight scenes. I do think it’s deliberate. We get Jor-el punking Zod and his soldiers as one example, and Zod later calls it out when he talks about how he was bred for warfare/conquest and Kal was just raised on a farm. You could also argue that the council was likely bred to be “leaders” but they still let the planet blow up. It’s part of the reason why the smallville fights is one my favorite fights in a superhero movie because Superman is currently stronger then everyone there but they have military training that gives them a slight edge over him and it’s an elegant way to have Superman struggle halfway through the story since he’s never really had to deal with a situation that required him to really go all out.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:He understands Superman quite clearly. The idea that he "didn't want" to make a Superman movie is completely loving ridiculous. He's a huge Superman fan. He thinks he does but he's wrong. Like Quentin Tarantino.
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Mar 16, 2021 04:05
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Necrothatcher posted:Lol at the idea of criticising Man of Steel for making Superman special. I believe the idea is that he doesn't need to be injected with the codex of the entire Kryptonian race or whatever to make him special from birth/as a baby, he can just be Superman. Like, lifting a truck one handed and shooting lasers from your eyes is already pretty special, you don't have to make "Last Son of Krypton" even more literal somehow.
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Aphrodite posted:He thinks he does but he's wrong. He was my boss for a week and I've talked to him; he reads comics well and can challenge my knowledge and I've read a ton. I've met Quentin too, and he doesn't read comics; he absorbs a ton of film information and filters through that. As another relation, we (Snyder) both went to art school and are thus taught to filter our expression through meaning as opposed to text and focusing on attempting at telling an original story as opposed to regurgitation, so I kind of see what he's doing even in cases I don't like. His closest classmate is the director of Immortals; look at that and his stuff and you can easily see what he's going for. Darko fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Mar 16, 2021 |
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Mar 16, 2021 04:52
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Snyder understands Superman completely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW8KyNCWGCY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2RpU3FL1w8 The bottom video really hammering in the fact how tough and crazy it was for Superman to grow up.
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Ah yes, the core tenets of Superman, "let 'em die" and "you don't owe the world anything". Also the core tenets of Batman, "killing is an okay thing to do" and "why not have a few guns?"
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Mar 16, 2021 06:41
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Batman needs to kill more.
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I feel like the Pa Kent scene gets a really bad faith read every time someone brings up "just let em die". People focus on the "maybe" part and end the scene there but it's a full sentence: "Maybe...There's more at stake here then our lives and the lives of those around us". He's not actually saying "Yeah maybe you should've let those kids die" but the pause in the sentence seems to be what gets people into thinking he's pro child death. He goes on to explain that Clarks mere existence is a gigantic shift to the status-quo and as a parent he doesn't really know how to handle that. For "You don't owe the world anything": That's true! Clark doesn't! He has no ties to his earth except his Mom and Dad, and maybe Lois at that point but the fact that Clark goes out of his way to save the world despite a really frosty welcoming party from the US government is what makes him Superman.
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Not saying it's a core tenet or anything but every cinematic incarnation of batman (sans West and Clooney) have used vehicles to kill dudes, it's absolutely a tradition at this point
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CapnAndy posted:Ah yes, the core tenets of Superman, "let 'em die" and "you don't owe the world anything". The core tenet of Batman is using trauma to fix a broken world. That other stuff was imposed on the character because he's in funnybooks that people in the 40s and 50s thought were rotting kids brains.
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Mar 16, 2021 07:54
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I struggle to recall a version of Superman who saved the world out of a sense of indebtedness or obligation.
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Jonathan Kent's a frustrating character who talks out of both ends of his rear end constantly and is the sole primary catalyst holding Clark back from being a fulfilled and successful Superman, and yet Snyder expects us feel see him as some profound font of wisdom. He makes Clark feel guilty about saving his classmates, fills his heart with fears and self-doubts that linger well into his adulthood, sermonizes about some great weighty destiny that Clark has to fulfill and then calls him selfish for wanting to leave their home. Literally every single thing he does is designed to hinder Clark's development as a proactive hero, and yet we're supposed to think by the end of the film that Clark being Superman was exactly his keikaku all along. It's some of the most inherently backwards writing that modern films have ever produced.
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It's so great that people are just going to keep talking about a bad Superman movie from 8 years ago like it's a misunderstood work of art until I'm dead of old age. I mean they'll probably continue to disingenuously imply anyone who disliked the film simply didn't understand it well after I die, but by that point it won't be my problem.
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BrianWilly posted:Jonathan Kent's a frustrating character who talks out of both ends of his rear end constantly and is the sole primary catalyst holding Clark back from being a fulfilled and successful Superman, and yet Snyder expects us feel see him as some profound font of wisdom. He makes Clark feel guilty about saving his classmates, fills his heart with fears and self-doubts that linger well into his adulthood, sermonizes about some great weighty destiny that Clark has to fulfill and then calls him selfish for wanting to leave their home. Literally every single thing he does is designed to hinder Clark's development as a proactive hero, and yet we're supposed to think by the end of the film that Clark being Superman was exactly his keikaku all along. Imagine if, instead of running into a tornado, he went to the Sturgis motorcycle rally screaming about the PLANdemic and MASK TYRANNY and got covid and died.
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BrianWilly posted:Jonathan Kent's a frustrating character who talks out of both ends of his rear end constantly and is the sole primary catalyst holding Clark back from being a fulfilled and successful Superman, and yet Snyder expects us feel see him as some profound font of wisdom. He makes Clark feel guilty about saving his classmates, fills his heart with fears and self-doubts that linger well into his adulthood, sermonizes about some great weighty destiny that Clark has to fulfill and then calls him selfish for wanting to leave their home. Literally every single thing he does is designed to hinder Clark's development as a proactive hero, and yet we're supposed to think by the end of the film that Clark being Superman was exactly his keikaku all along. He raised an immortal godchild into a kind and self-sacrificing adult so he can't be that bad a Dad.
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Mar 16, 2021 09:09
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Kevin Costner's Ghost: "I can say that word, son. I can say it because I grew up in a time when it was not that bad. In fact I said it all the time." No Moustache Henry Cavill: "Dad no, you can't say the n-word"
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The United States posted:Kevin Costner's Ghost: "I can say that word, son. I can say it because I grew up in a time when it was not that bad. In fact I said it all the time." No Moustache Henry Cavill: "Or the k-word dad, that's my word. no, not that k-word. Though you probably shouldn't say that either."
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The United States posted:Not saying it's a core tenet or anything but every cinematic incarnation of batman (sans West and Clooney) have used vehicles to kill dudes, it's absolutely a tradition at this point West kills the dehydrated dudes and rules lawyers his way out of it (which is the joke). Edit: oh wait, you said vehicles. Well the vehicle of his delivery is his fists.
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I don't think Kilmer did. At one point he strafes to the side to avoid a missile shot by Two-Face, which then proceeds to blow up a car containing some goons behind him. But I don't think that counts as Batman killing, morally or legally.
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Vintersorg posted:Snyder understands Superman completely. That second scene makes me cry every time, as a parent with a kid who has adhd and anxiety attacks. It makes me feel like me and my kid are seen in a way few films do.
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I think it's good to have a Superman that is more interested in the -man part rather than the Super- part for that matter I think it's good to have a Batman that is "the Dark Knight" in a way that is more than just wearing black and being scary
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I'm going to scream superhero movies are for children then scream superhero movies need more killing and sex.
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Lurdiak posted:It's so great that people are just going to keep talking about a bad Superman movie from 8 years ago like it's a misunderstood work of art until I'm dead of old age. Maybe some people just like films that you don't, and also like talking about films that they like?
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No, no. Falcon and Winter Soldier is out Friday.
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Mar 16, 2021 14:22
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Aphrodite posted:No, no. Falcon and Winter Soldier is out Friday. I am hoping it's good and shakes things up. Their buddy cop dynamic was pretty good.
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Escobarbarian posted:If only scenes with Amy Adams as a crack reporter and Laurence Fishburne as her editor had been written by good writers “Kent, you’re on sports today.” - The editor-in-chief of a major metropolitan newspaper who totally understands how newsrooms work
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BrianWilly posted:Jonathan Kent's a frustrating character who talks out of both ends of his rear end constantly and is the sole primary catalyst holding Clark back from being a fulfilled and successful Superman, and yet Snyder expects us feel see him as some profound font of wisdom. He makes Clark feel guilty about saving his classmates, fills his heart with fears and self-doubts that linger well into his adulthood, sermonizes about some great weighty destiny that Clark has to fulfill and then calls him selfish for wanting to leave their home. Literally every single thing he does is designed to hinder Clark's development as a proactive hero, and yet we're supposed to think by the end of the film that Clark being Superman was exactly his keikaku all along. Is that interpretation what Snyder expects of us? Why try to guess what the director expects, instead of thinking about the message you received?
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I liked the part when Superman tracked Flash's movements with his eyes and then it cuts to Flash realizing that and getting scared. It reminded me of the only good part of BvS where the kryptonite starts wearing off of Superman and he gradually stops selling Batman's punches. It's a shame about every other time he is on screen in these films. I was so happy we got Thunderbolt Ross back that I kinda forgot to lament how much Hulk lore we're just not allowed to have in the MCU. Doc Samson would be awesome to have around. I guess at least we're getting Jen soon. Seriously Ross rules though. He's a great heel.
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Google says Marvel reaccquired the Hulk and Namor rights, but apparently it's just a rumor. You'd think people would know?
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It's the eternal problem with The Hulk. Big Green Strong Guy Smash Things And Is Dumb is mostly appealing to little kids, but everything in the comics that makes the Hulk interesting as a character is way too dour and psychological to appeal to anyone who isn't at least in their teens. So either you get horrific marketing/content mismatches like Ang Lee's Hulk, or everything about the character other than the comic relief and the punching gets sanded off.
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If anyone is interested in making a separate thread for Snyder's Justice League then they have my blessing. I expect traffic will be heavy enough to fill up a brand new thread while keeping this one alive to talk about other comic book films.
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Lurdiak posted:It's the eternal problem with The Hulk. Big Green Strong Guy Smash Things And Is Dumb is mostly appealing to little kids, but everything in the comics that makes the Hulk interesting as a character is way too dour and psychological to appeal to anyone who isn't at least in their teens. So either you get horrific marketing/content mismatches like Ang Lee's Hulk, or everything about the character other than the comic relief and the punching gets sanded off. yeah as much as immortal hulk kicks rear end, i can't imagine disney ever trying to fit that into the mcu
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Splint Chesthair posted:“Kent, you’re on sports today.” - The editor-in-chief of a major metropolitan newspaper who totally understands how newsrooms work “Parker, get me pictures of Spider-Man!” “You mean like, from Getty? Those are pretty expensive boss...”
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