Humphreys posted:

By popular demand posted:

How do you get the crew to stay around for six loving hours on a floating bomb?

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

It looks like someone tried converting a field gun into a swivelable siege artillery, but I'm curious if it actually worked. I'd guess the entire structure would collapse the first time the gun was fired, not to menton reloading seems to be very difficult.

I'm guessing this was used during the American civil war, but do anyone have more info? I reverse image searched it but all I got was memes.

Cthulu Carl posted:

You teach them VERY WELL to do their ONE SPECIFIC job, and actively discourage them from showing initiative.

Here's an almost hour long video on Japanese vs. American methods of damage control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC6LN3U5ELk

Cythereal posted:

This.

In short: the Japanese Navy considered damage control (i.e. responding to and repairing damage the ship takes) to be a specialist job for certain officers and enlisted to know about, and irrelevant to the rest of the crew. Japanese doctrine and the equipment they developed to support that doctrine were built on the principle of an overwhelming offense: if you can put down your enemy before they can get a shot off in return, who cares how much that shot that will never happen would theoretically hurt? I mean, Americans are fundamentally cowards who will give up on the Pacific after one or two disastrous defeats and allow Japan to its empire to save face and treat with the new empire of the Pacific as an equal. Any claims that the Americans will dig in for a grinding war of attrition where they can bring their vastly superior (and basically immune to attack) resources and industrial capacity to bear are marks of a defeatist attitude.


(that's not an exaggeration of how Japan's military leadership thought, by the by)

Mr. Nice! posted:

Not all of the leadership. Their navy leadership felt that the war was unwinnable and an attack on the USA was a mistake. Yamamoto knew that attacking the USA was futile unless Japan could specifically take the fight all the way to Washington, DC. He knew that any outcome that did not result in the immediate surrender of the USA (which he did not think was possible) would ultimately lead to his defeat.

Xakura posted:

Pretty sure USS Texas had computers. Analogue electro-mechanical computers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwf5mAlI7Ug

Cythereal posted:

This.

In short: the Japanese Navy considered damage control (i.e. responding to and repairing damage the ship takes) to be a specialist job for certain officers and enlisted to know about, and irrelevant to the rest of the crew. Japanese doctrine and the equipment they developed to support that doctrine were built on the principle of an overwhelming offense: if you can put down your enemy before they can get a shot off in return, who cares how much that shot that will never happen would theoretically hurt? I mean, Americans are fundamentally cowards who will give up on the Pacific after one or two disastrous defeats and allow Japan to its empire to save face and treat with the new empire of the Pacific as an equal. Any claims that the Americans will dig in for a grinding war of attrition where they can bring their vastly superior (and basically immune to attack) resources and industrial capacity to bear are marks of a defeatist attitude.


(that's not an exaggeration of how Japan's military leadership thought, by the by)

Cythereal posted:

There were voices of sanity in the IJN's leadership. They were not the ones making the strategic decisions.

Platystemon posted:

It’s a German gun, 7.7 cm FK 96 n.A. of the Great War, pressed into antiaircraft duty.

Platystemon posted:

Well concrete is two and a half times denser than water, so there’s the potential for it to win, but the packing efficiency of a liquid is one hundred percent, so that puts a damper on the potential gain.

If you’re really pressed for space because, say, you’re Singapore, I expect you’d run right past concrete and bit the bullet on batteries.

GD_American posted:

Much like the Marines' "everyone is a rifleman first" ethos, the US Navy's belief is "you want to keep where you sleep afloat and not on fire, right?"

Megillah Gorilla posted:

As amazing as that is, it's nothing compared to the Curta

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Isn't singapore in like, asian typhoon alley?

I mean, it kinda makes sense. Kinda. But how much power are they going to lose with their 3700km extension cord?

MikeCrotch posted:

Ironically one of the main issues on the USS Forrestal fire was that the US Navy went from everyone being trained on damage control to it being a specialised job, just like the IJN did in WWII.

This posed a problem when a secondary explosion during the fire killed basically every trained firefighter on the ship.

Cythereal posted:

And he was almost assassinated for it.

Admiral Kusaka also tried to propose a defensive strategy to the IJN high command after Coral Sea, that the Empire had secured the resources it needed and the IJN needed to switch to a defensive posture to fend off American counterattacks like what happened at the Coral Sea. He was laughed out of the room (including by Yamamoto, who was hatching the plan that lead to Midway).

There were voices of sanity in the IJN's leadership. They were not the ones making the strategic decisions.

low key sex master posted:

Ugh this got me wikiholed into reading about the Battle of Midway

MikeCrotch posted:

Ironically one of the main issues on the USS Forrestal fire was that the US Navy went from everyone being trained on damage control to it being a specialised job, just like the IJN did in WWII.

This posed a problem when a secondary explosion during the fire killed basically every trained firefighter on the ship.

quote:

A pilot trapped in his stateroom was able to find a wrench to open the porthole. With items in his room catching fire, the pilot continually wrapped himself in wet sheets or blankets, and kept his head out the porthole; as the sheets or blankets began to smolder, the pilot would wet the items down again, wrap himself up, and return to the porthole.[2] Unable to escape due to the fire outside his room, the pilot kept this up for some time. Finally, an enlisted sailor discovered his plight and was able to supply him with a firehose, a battle lantern, and an Oxygen Breathing Apparatus; for the duration of the fire, the pilot used the hose to fight the fire and cool his stateroom, and keep the fire from spreading again into the room.[2] Nearby, the executive officer of the air wing's Crusader squadron, finding himself in a similar situation, stripped naked and forced his way through his porthole. He was able to obtain a firefighting suit, and later helped the ship's fire marshal in organizing firefighting parties.

In the elevator pumproom, the fireman on duty attempted to request assistance from his supervisor. Frustrated over the lack of progress, the sailor tried to find out if there was something keeping help from reaching him, and discovered that a large amount of water from the firefighting efforts had settled over the hatch. He opened the hatch in an attempt to save himself, partially flooding the compartment in the process. Trapped by water and smoke, the fireman continued to try to keep himself safe until his supervisor and the ship's ordnance officer, a qualified Navy diver who happened to find scuba gear, entered the compartment and rescued him.[2] Coincidentally, the scuba gear belonged to the trapped sailor.[3]

Near the pump room, several officers and enlisted men took refuge in a void extending from below the hangar to a deck below the pumproom. One officer had been badly burned, and a second was knocked unconscious after nearly falling off a ladder inside the void. After breaking the padlocks off of storage spaces inside the void to release the usable air inside those spaces, the officers and men began to wait the fire out in the void. Eventually, though, they decided to try to make their way to safety. One of the enlisted men left the void to seek out an OBA, and was able to find a pair of stretcher bearers to help carry out the injured officers. Working through some initial difficulties, the officers and men eventually made their way to safety.[2]

GD_American posted:

They basically got every come-along and chainfall they could find, connected at points across the break, and hinged the bottom of the ship back shut, which is mind-bogglingly when you think of the numbers involved there in weight and force.

Mr. Nice! posted:

Which is part of the reason today that everyone is a part of the ship's damage control team now. Things like the Samuel B. Roberts hitting a mind, the Cole getting bombed, or the Fitzgerald collision would have resulted in loss of the ship but for the massive efforts of the entire crews.

evilbastard posted:

Singapore is building a 30GW hour battery, yes. But then they thought 'Lets outsource the solar cell installation to Australia' to make it more challenging

low key sex master posted:

Ugh this got me wikiholed into reading about the Battle of Midway

GD_American posted:

I know years earlier this hurt the Oriskany (the Flaming O) to a lesser extent when the crew was trying to save the ship, too. If you ever get to read the accounts of the disaster, read it; it's massively OSHA thread. The wiki article does a good job summing up some of the more amazing bits:

MikeCrotch posted:

Read Shattered Sword

Mr. Nice! posted:

Which is part of the reason today that everyone is a part of the ship's damage control team now. Things like the Samuel B. Roberts hitting a mind, the Cole getting bombed, or the Fitzgerald collision would have resulted in loss of the ship but for the massive efforts of the entire crews.

bobmarleysghost posted:

Sorry for the reddit link, but check this out, it's pretty OSHA.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/lxn0l4/look_what_she_found_behind_her_nyc_apartment/

Greatest Living Man posted:

Looks like 3.5% per 1,000 km for HVDC according to Wikipedia.

MikeCrotch posted:

Ironically one of the main issues on the USS Forrestal fire was that the US Navy went from everyone being trained on damage control to it being a specialised job, just like the IJN did in WWII.

This posed a problem when a secondary explosion during the fire killed basically every trained firefighter on the ship.

gently caress You And Diebold posted:

shouldve kept it secret and sublet it out

Phanatic posted:

Bad Munki posted:

Jeep makes tanks?

wesleywillis posted:

Ok, ok, is there a military history thread that talks about all this crazy poo poo?
I'll assume its in the Internet VFW?

wesleywillis posted:

Ok, ok, is there a military history thread that talks about all this crazy poo poo?
I'll assume its in the Internet VFW?

GD_American posted:

...Coincidentally, the scuba gear belonged to the trapped sailor...