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It looks like someone tried converting a field gun into a swivelable siege artillery, but I'm curious if it actually worked. I'd guess the entire structure would collapse the first time the gun was fired, not to menton reloading seems to be very difficult. I'm guessing this was used during the American civil war, but do anyone have more info? I reverse image searched it but all I got was memes. By popular demand posted:How do you get the crew to stay around for six loving hours on a floating bomb? very carefully
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Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:It looks like someone tried converting a field gun into a swivelable siege artillery, but I'm curious if it actually worked. I'd guess the entire structure would collapse the first time the gun was fired, not to menton reloading seems to be very difficult. It’s a German gun, 7.7 cm FK 96 n.A. of the Great War, pressed into antiaircraft duty.
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Cthulu Carl posted:You teach them VERY WELL to do their ONE SPECIFIC job, and actively discourage them from showing initiative. This. In short: the Japanese Navy considered damage control (i.e. responding to and repairing damage the ship takes) to be a specialist job for certain officers and enlisted to know about, and irrelevant to the rest of the crew. Japanese doctrine and the equipment they developed to support that doctrine were built on the principle of an overwhelming offense: if you can put down your enemy before they can get a shot off in return, who cares how much that shot that will never happen would theoretically hurt? I mean, Americans are fundamentally cowards who will give up on the Pacific after one or two disastrous defeats and allow Japan to its empire to save face and treat with the new empire of the Pacific as an equal. Any claims that the Americans will dig in for a grinding war of attrition where they can bring their vastly superior (and basically immune to attack) resources and industrial capacity to bear are marks of a defeatist attitude. (that's not an exaggeration of how Japan's military leadership thought, by the by)
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Cythereal posted:This. Not all of the leadership. Their navy leadership felt that the war was unwinnable and an attack on the USA was a mistake. Yamamoto knew that attacking the USA was futile unless Japan could specifically take the fight all the way to Washington, DC. He knew that any outcome that did not result in the immediate surrender of the USA (which he did not think was possible) would ultimately lead to his defeat.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Not all of the leadership. Their navy leadership felt that the war was unwinnable and an attack on the USA was a mistake. Yamamoto knew that attacking the USA was futile unless Japan could specifically take the fight all the way to Washington, DC. He knew that any outcome that did not result in the immediate surrender of the USA (which he did not think was possible) would ultimately lead to his defeat. And he was almost assassinated for it. Admiral Kusaka also tried to propose a defensive strategy to the IJN high command after Coral Sea, that the Empire had secured the resources it needed and the IJN needed to switch to a defensive posture to fend off American counterattacks like what happened at the Coral Sea. He was laughed out of the room (including by Yamamoto, who was hatching the plan that lead to Midway). There were voices of sanity in the IJN's leadership. They were not the ones making the strategic decisions.
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Xakura posted:Pretty sure USS Texas had computers. Analogue electro-mechanical computers As amazing as that is, it's nothing compared to the Curta, a hand-held mechanical calculator designed by Curt Herzstark who was tossed in a concentration camp by the nazis because his father was a Jew. Accounts vary, but one I head was that he designed it while in the Buchenwald concentration camp but destroyed all the designs and prototypes to stop the nazis getting their hands on it. After the war, he rebuilt it entirely from memory and it remained the most powerful hand-held calculator until the 70s.
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Unsuspecting people take Curtas apart, only to discover that it takes a specialist to put them back together again.
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Cythereal posted:This. Much like the Marines' "everyone is a rifleman first" ethos, the US Navy's belief is "you want to keep where you sleep afloat and not on fire, right?"
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Cythereal posted:There were voices of sanity in the IJN's leadership. They were not the ones making the strategic decisions. every job I ever had.txt E: curtas are way cool.
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Platystemon posted:It’s a German gun, 7.7 cm FK 96 n.A. of the Great War, pressed into antiaircraft duty. Thanks. I searched and found another picture of this gun used in the role as anti-aircraft:https://www.flickr.com/photos/drakegoodman/8335756270 That entire flickr album has a lot of WWI photos.
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Platystemon posted:Well concrete is two and a half times denser than water, so there’s the potential for it to win, but the packing efficiency of a liquid is one hundred percent, so that puts a damper on the potential gain. Singapore is building a 30GW hour battery, yes. But then they thought 'Lets outsource the solar cell installation to Australia' to make it more challenging
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Isn't singapore in like, asian typhoon alley? I mean, it kinda makes sense. Kinda. But how much power are they going to lose with their 3700km extension cord?
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GD_American posted:Much like the Marines' "everyone is a rifleman first" ethos, the US Navy's belief is "you want to keep where you sleep afloat and not on fire, right?" Ironically one of the main issues on the USS Forrestal fire was that the US Navy went from everyone being trained on damage control to it being a specialised job, just like the IJN did in WWII. This posed a problem when a secondary explosion during the fire killed basically every trained firefighter on the ship.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:As amazing as that is, it's nothing compared to the Curta Extremely disagree, one continuously calculates multi variable differential equations, the other is a pepperbox that calculates simple multiplication by addition.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Isn't singapore in like, asian typhoon alley? Looks like 3.5% per 1,000 km for HVDC according to Wikipedia.
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MikeCrotch posted:Ironically one of the main issues on the USS Forrestal fire was that the US Navy went from everyone being trained on damage control to it being a specialised job, just like the IJN did in WWII. Which is part of the reason today that everyone is a part of the ship's damage control team now. Things like the Samuel B. Roberts hitting a mind, the Cole getting bombed, or the Fitzgerald collision would have resulted in loss of the ship but for the massive efforts of the entire crews.
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Cythereal posted:And he was almost assassinated for it. Ugh this got me wikiholed into reading about the Battle of Midway
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low key sex master posted:Ugh this got me wikiholed into reading about the Battle of Midway Here is a 4 hour episode of Hardcore History that covers that battle. https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-65-supernova-in-the-east-iv/ It's the fourth part of, so far, five episodes, so if you have twenty hours to kill and months to wait for the next chapter...
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MikeCrotch posted:Ironically one of the main issues on the USS Forrestal fire was that the US Navy went from everyone being trained on damage control to it being a specialised job, just like the IJN did in WWII. I know years earlier this hurt the Oriskany (the Flaming O) to a lesser extent when the crew was trying to save the ship, too. If you ever get to read the accounts of the disaster, read it; it's massively OSHA thread. The wiki article does a good job summing up some of the more amazing bits: quote:A pilot trapped in his stateroom was able to find a wrench to open the porthole. With items in his room catching fire, the pilot continually wrapped himself in wet sheets or blankets, and kept his head out the porthole; as the sheets or blankets began to smolder, the pilot would wet the items down again, wrap himself up, and return to the porthole.[2] Unable to escape due to the fire outside his room, the pilot kept this up for some time. Finally, an enlisted sailor discovered his plight and was able to supply him with a firehose, a battle lantern, and an Oxygen Breathing Apparatus; for the duration of the fire, the pilot used the hose to fight the fire and cool his stateroom, and keep the fire from spreading again into the room.[2] Nearby, the executive officer of the air wing's Crusader squadron, finding himself in a similar situation, stripped naked and forced his way through his porthole. He was able to obtain a firefighting suit, and later helped the ship's fire marshal in organizing firefighting parties. I got to meet one of the guys that helped save the Samuel B; the mine had broken the keel and knocked its engines off mount, killing power at a crucial time. They basically got every come-along and chainfall they could find, connected at points across the break, and hinged the bottom of the ship back shut, which is mind-bogglingly when you think of the numbers involved there in weight and force.
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GD_American posted:They basically got every come-along and chainfall they could find, connected at points across the break, and hinged the bottom of the ship back shut, which is mind-bogglingly when you think of the numbers involved there in weight and force. the front didn't fall off!
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Sorry for the reddit link, but check this out, it's pretty OSHA. https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/lxn0l4/look_what_she_found_behind_her_nyc_apartment/
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Mr. Nice! posted:Which is part of the reason today that everyone is a part of the ship's damage control team now. Things like the Samuel B. Roberts hitting a mind, the Cole getting bombed, or the Fitzgerald collision would have resulted in loss of the ship but for the massive efforts of the entire crews. Check out the Stark if you want more DC porn. The wikipedia article is kind of poo poo, but there's a book out there that I read about it a few years back that went into what it took to save the ship. Some highilghts: 1) the captain was apparently a DC nut, in a good way. There was a thing on the ship where people could just get grabbed, blind folded (to simulate a power out/smoke filled situation) and told to get to their DC station from wherever they were. Apparently that came in really handy what with missiles killing power and starting a gently caress off huge fire. 2) they had to rig up a way to flood the forward magazine to prevent the fire from blowing it up. I'm hazy on the details now, but there were severed lines or something that made it sketchy, lots of very OSHA routing poo poo around the damage in pretty crazy ways. 3) floors/walls/etc getting hot enough that they sagged and presented a hazard for people walking over them 4) just gently caress awful smoke problems leading to crew having to chill on the fantail in between damage control efforts. 5) the on-board entertainment on their 80s version of onboard video on demand was Gymkata. Yes, the same one RLM roasted. I don't know how OSHA that is or not but it's gotta be some kind of workplace mental hazard.
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evilbastard posted:Singapore is building a 30GW hour battery, yes. But then they thought 'Lets outsource the solar cell installation to Australia' to make it more challenging Australia is also in the middle of convincing countries to continue to purchase their exported coal and natural gas. Batteries are also likely going to be a fairly dead end for energy storage in bulk.
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low key sex master posted:Ugh this got me wikiholed into reading about the Battle of Midway Read Shattered Sword
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i was trying to learn more about famous WWII battles but i got stuck midway
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GD_American posted:I know years earlier this hurt the Oriskany (the Flaming O) to a lesser extent when the crew was trying to save the ship, too. If you ever get to read the accounts of the disaster, read it; it's massively OSHA thread. The wiki article does a good job summing up some of the more amazing bits: You left out the best part: The whole thing started when an IR countermeasure flare ignited accidentally and someone in a panic picked it up and threw it into the flare storage locker. Also IIRC one of the damage control officers on Fitz posts here
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MikeCrotch posted:Read Shattered Sword
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Mr. Nice! posted:Which is part of the reason today that everyone is a part of the ship's damage control team now. Things like the Samuel B. Roberts hitting a mind, the Cole getting bombed, or the Fitzgerald collision would have resulted in loss of the ship but for the massive efforts of the entire crews. Love this screwdriver doing some heavy work on the Roberts: The FFGs were tough little ships. And don't forget the USS Princeton.
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bobmarleysghost posted:Sorry for the reddit link, but check this out, it's pretty OSHA. shouldve kept it secret and sublet it out
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Greatest Living Man posted:Looks like 3.5% per 1,000 km for HVDC according to Wikipedia. Not good, not terrible.
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MikeCrotch posted:Ironically one of the main issues on the USS Forrestal fire was that the US Navy went from everyone being trained on damage control to it being a specialised job, just like the IJN did in WWII. Who needs first aid. Leave it to the medics.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:shouldve kept it secret and sublet it out Yea, that would have made for a cool afterhours.
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Jeep makes tanks?
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Ok, ok, is there a military history thread that talks about all this crazy poo poo? I'll assume its in the Internet VFW?
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Bad Munki posted:Jeep makes tanks? Если вы можете прочитать это, переверните меня EDIT: I have no idea if that's actually a Russian tank
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wesleywillis posted:Ok, ok, is there a military history thread that talks about all this crazy poo poo? A/T https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3950461 It's on its 4th incarnation I think The Idiots thread in VFW is also pretty applicable to this thread lol
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wesleywillis posted:Ok, ok, is there a military history thread that talks about all this crazy poo poo? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3950461
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GD_American posted:...Coincidentally, the scuba gear belonged to the trapped sailor... This part cracked me up, but the whole thing is insane in the best way. Aside from the people dying stuff.
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