|
Bobstar posted:Gifted children don't need nurturing into super-geniuses, they need to be taught how to learn even though they seem to absorb everything easily. And maybe be checked for ADHD even though they're not "naughty" or "thick". Oh god so much this. I am (according to teachers, psychologists and other professionals) stupidly intelligent (the phrase is used advisedly). IQ (for what it’s worth) in the 160s, and up until GCSE level I never needed to actually study for a single thing in my life. I just soaked up knowledge like a sponge. And then everything utterly collapsed around me when I needed to understand rather than just know things. Never learned to study, turned out I have massive ADHD and autism, and suddenly finding myself floundering when I was ‘supposed’ to be achieving amazing things set off a whole host of comorbid MH poo poo. Add to that the fact my school at the time did streaming rather than setting (ie you got put in one ‘advanced’ class for everything if you were considered gifted) and the top stream in my year was loving toxic, and frankly I consider it something of a miracle I completed my schooling at all. Even then I had to retake one of my a-levels with a private tutor during my gap year (which took my grade from an E to a high B). If I’d have been born five years later I loving guarantee I would have had my various issues picked up on and been given support for them, rather than constantly being screamed at and punished for not applying myself. Sorry, got off topic there a bit. Absolutely not bitter twenty plus years later, no sir. Edit: 1995 was when I was put into the above mentioned top stream, and one of the worse years of my life. Camrath fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Mar 18, 2021 |
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:12
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 15:20 |
|
|
peanut- posted:The UK doesn't have any kind of gifted children schools or anything does it? You just get put into a class with all the other kids perceived as least likely to eat their own stationery. Some areas still have grammar schools where you need to pass a test to get in. It doesn't make you gifted and they're still state schools, but arguably one might get a slightly better standard of education at one. Hard to say because they usually do well with exam results and that, but then they've taken the clever kids so obviously they should Having been to two myself I'm glad I went, but would now like for them to stop existing
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:14
|
|
|
I really dunno how I feel about grammar schools. I dunno, in an ideal world there'd be no need for them, and the idea that your future is determined by a test you take before your balls have dropped/had your first period is kinda hosed. But while independent schools are allowed to exist they at least allow working class kids to theoretically get a small leg up. Obviously middle class parents can still advantage their sprogs by hiring tutors to prepare them for the 11+ but still think abolishing independent schools is a far higher priority
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:18
|
|
|
My (incredibly poo poo, now-closed) secondary school had a "Gifted and Talented" program, where we'd get to tour local universities and stuff. I feel like I'm quite smart, but my school reports were always "if he could apply himself more" and "does well in things that interest him", which has always been a problem for me, especially with forcing myself to revise before my GCSEs and stuff. Immediately after finishing school, I made sure to only ever pick further education courses that had 0 exams and were entirely coursework-based (and then procrastinated on that badly enough that I had to resit one module over the summer every year I was at uni). I wish I'd picked up something practical like woodworking tbh (not that they even offered me that at my school, as a GCSE), I could live in the woods and sell hand-built artisanal cabinets for a living or something.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:25
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:I also honestly just don't like academia. I don't know that I ever did even when I was good at it. It doesn't make me happy and it's completely unsustainable into adulthood with ADD. If they'd stuffed me into some sort of practical skill class I would have probably turned out a lot happier. Stop describing my life OwlFancier! Pretty much exactly the same for me. Was a lazy poo poo in high school as I was smart enough to just coast entirely, except I peaked earlier and completely hosed up my a-levels as well then dossed about in Uni for 7 years trying to settle on something. If I hadn't fallen sideways into QA testing, a career essentially made perfect for ADHD at the time (shitloads of extremely short issues and tests on wildly different things but all with a really nicely documented structure to follow and fall back on the moment I got distracted) I'm not sure what I'd have done.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:26
|
|
|
Surprise T Rex posted:My (incredibly poo poo, now-closed) secondary school had a "Gifted and Talented" program, where we'd get to tour local universities and stuff. Echoing the wish for practical training. When I was a young teen I wanted to be a gunsmith; I’ve mentioned before how I made a musket for my GCSE cdt design-and-make, and still feel if I’d been allowed to continue along that path I would have probably ended up much happier (and probably much richer) in adult life. But hey, now I make fudge instead, which is by far the most satisfying job I’ve had in my life. And frankly, at an hourly rate it’s sure as hell not badly paying either. I earned more p/h as a personal trainer but I loving /sucked/ at finding clients.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:29
|
|
|
Can you not combine interests and make a fudge gun? This can be either a gun made of fudge or a gun that shoots fudge, I'm not particular
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:30
|
|
|
With mini she was bog standard and average until she hit year 10, and got into this engineering school and it turned out she was fantastic at putting together projects, she just started to absorb information like a sponge. Y9 she was predicted 4s, her actual results were all 8/9 and the equivalent. The problem I have now is convincing her that her school are being dicks, she could literally stop going and she has done all she needs to but there is no way they will enter her in April if she drops out. Making her stay till July when the year 11s and 13s leave in April is taking the piss and I won’t have it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:31
|
|
|
After-workout fudge recovery bars. You know it can be a thing. Do it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:31
|
|
|
You thought black powder firearms were unreliable and high maintenence, wait until you see our new deflagrating fudge firearms.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:32
|
|
|
learnincurve posted:With mini she was bog standard and average until she hit year 10, and got into this engineering school and it turned out she was fantastic at putting together projects, she just started to absorb information like a sponge. Y9 she was predicted 4s, her actual results were all 8/9 and the equivalent. The problem I have now is convincing her that her school are being dicks, she could literally stop going and she has done all she needs to but there is no way they will enter her in April if she drops out. Making her stay till July when the year 11s and 13s leave in April is taking the piss and I won’t have it. I really try not to be "back in my day things were better" type as they almost invariably weren't, but I am not on board with this numbers as grades thing. Is it Michael Gove's fault?
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:34
|
|
|
learnincurve posted:With mini she was bog standard and average until she hit year 10, and got into this engineering school and it turned out she was fantastic at putting together projects, she just started to absorb information like a sponge. Y9 she was predicted 4s, her actual results were all 8/9 and the equivalent. The problem I have now is convincing her that her school are being dicks, she could literally stop going and she has done all she needs to but there is no way they will enter her in April if she drops out. Making her stay till July when the year 11s and 13s leave in April is taking the piss and I won’t have it. In a way it seems almost like the same issue, that schooling is too rigid and won't provide the support that students need, be they actually brilliant at something or be they people like me who just look smart for a 10 year old. Either way all they seem to give a poo poo about is test scores. And either way kids suffer for it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:35
|
|
|
Red Oktober posted:After-workout fudge recovery bars. You know it can be a thing. Do it. Powerfudge has a nice ring
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:36
|
|
|
Red Oktober posted:What? That’s amazing - they all used to be poo poo, what’s the one you have? I want it if it makes pizza like that. It's an effeuno p134h. Uses the same amount of electricity as my fan oven but takes way less time to get up to ~500C than my normal one does to get to 250C so halves the bill. The G3 ferrari one posted earlier is also very good but a little too cold for neapolitan pizzas and a bit fiddly. The effeuno has completely replaced my home oven now.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:37
|
|
|
Mini is doing public services next btw, it’s worth 90 uni points to basically do Duke of Edinburgh for 2 years, with an option of two Derby uni years after. After that she can decide what she wants to do in real university - we are in the funding if you live at home catchment area for Sheffield, Hallam and Derby, although it’s Derby offering her the most cool stuff.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:41
|
|
|
peanut- posted:I really try not to be "back in my day things were better" type as they almost invariably weren't, but I am not on board with this numbers as grades thing. Is it Michael Gove's fault? Yes, yes it is. It’s even more confusing because he introduced Cambridge technicals which are mini’s thing, and are on a different grading system and Boris keeps forgetting they exist (all your BTECs are Oxford iirc) when he makes his announcements.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:43
|
|
|
Failed Imagineer posted:Can you not combine interests and make a fudge gun? This can be either a gun made of fudge or a gun that shoots fudge, I'm not particular Beltfed Toblerone fudge machine gun.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:44
|
|
|
forkboy84 posted:I really dunno how I feel about grammar schools. I dunno, in an ideal world there'd be no need for them, and the idea that your future is determined by a test you take before your balls have dropped/had your first period is kinda hosed. But while independent schools are allowed to exist they at least allow working class kids to theoretically get a small leg up. My local grammar school had a reputation as a hotbed of posh middle class wankers and bullies who took a suitcase to school. I took the 11+ because my mum promised to buy me a G-shock watch if I did. I didn't get in and she got me the wrong watch so I spent a week wearing a Baby-G to school, which in hindsight is a much cooler watch because it had a little digital dolphin on it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:44
|
|
|
Failed Imagineer posted:Can you not combine interests and make a fudge gun? This can be either a gun made of fudge or a gun that shoots fudge, I'm not particular Fudge as a projectile would be theoretically possible, if pointless. You’d have to create some sort of sabot for it. Or I guess, fudge shotgun slugs. I’ve shot wax shells before which weren’t /that/ much harder than some of the batches I’ve made. Toffee would work better. Red Oktober posted:After-workout fudge recovery bars. You know it can be a thing. Do it. Genuinely considered this. Basically by combining my normal recipe with protein powders and other bits and bobs. OwlFancier posted:You thought black powder firearms were unreliable and high maintenence, wait until you see our new deflagrating fudge firearms. ‘Deflagrating Fudge Firearms’ will be the name of my next band.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:46
|
|
|
DesperateDan posted:https://twitter.com/Beeestonia/status/1372146554593808390?s=19 What did the bee guy do/write?
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:48
|
|
|
Jedit posted:Beltfed Toblerone fudge machine gun. Camrath posted:Fudge as a projectile would be theoretically possible, if pointless. You’d have to create some sort of sabot for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardick_tround Fudge in a triangular sheath of nougat.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:51
|
|
|
StarkingBarfish posted:It's an effeuno p134h. Uses the same amount of electricity as my fan oven but takes way less time to get up to ~500C than my normal one does to get to 250C so halves the bill. The G3 ferrari one posted earlier is also very good but a little too cold for neapolitan pizzas and a bit fiddly. The effeuno has completely replaced my home oven now. Ooof, that looks amazing but it's about twice what I was looking to pay... but i'll have to look around now i know they have good electric ones out.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:52
|
|
|
I feel like a big point to tell kids- and parents- is that absolutely no one gives a poo poo what you did in high school so long as you graduated and didn't get caught doing any murders. Being 'gifted' if anything gets worse because you're basically trained to be a fact-spouting boy genius in the same overspecialised way as child athletes and best case scenario in the real world you end up Fishmech. It's like how they stopped letting kid geniuses go straight into college in their teens or before puberty because it turns out they do miserably with no real socialisation.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:53
|
|
|
Jippa posted:What did the bee guy do/write? https://beestonia.wordpress.com/2020/01/10/carl-husted-crony-and-bigot/
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:54
|
|
|
Cheers.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:57
|
|
|
Norwegian doctors just announced that they have confirmed that the AZ vaccine can sometimes trigger a very serious immuneresponse creating specific antibodies against platelets.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:57
|
|
|
TheRat posted:Norwegian doctors just announced that they have confirmed that the AZ vaccine can sometimes trigger a very serious immuneresponse creating specific antibodies against platelets. welp
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:58
|
|
|
TheRat posted:Norwegian doctors just announced that they have confirmed that the AZ vaccine can sometimes trigger a very serious immuneresponse creating specific antibodies against platelets. Coolcoolcool
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:58
|
|
|
TheRat posted:Norwegian doctors just announced that they have confirmed that the AZ vaccine can sometimes trigger a very serious immuneresponse creating specific antibodies against platelets. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 11:58
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:In a way it seems almost like the same issue, that schooling is too rigid and won't provide the support that students need, be they actually brilliant at something or be they people like me who just look smart for a 10 year old. Either way all they seem to give a poo poo about is test scores. And either way kids suffer for it. I feel like schools massively need modernisation tbh, and not "smart whiteboards" modernisation, more rethinking the entire system. We know now that teenagers legitimately need more sleep than adults, and I've seen it advised that shorter schooldays with later starts are more effective, but that doesn't fit common sense or conventional wisdom so it goes ignored and teens get branded just bloody lazy. Specifically, testing as a concept now seems very antiquated. "You won't always have a calculator" was a pretty common phrase in school and fuckin lol. Now, instead of a calculator, I have a small handheld portal capable of summoning information from the sky. Memorising SOHCAHTOA for working out trig angles seems less useful now I can just go "oh poo poo, how do I work out the opposite angle?" and tap that into Google. My job as a computer toucher is 90% me looking stuff up and knowing just enough to translate the info I find into a practical, usable thing for the task I'm trying to complete. Also, not that I subscribe to the "this is bloody useless I'll never use it" attitude a lot of kids had at my school, but there's definitely something to be said for schools providing some "life education" rather than solely academic education, and then if you want to do maths stuff you do that at college or whatever. Stuff like financial literacy, critical thinking/information gathering skills, and being supported in pursuing things you're actually interested in would be significantly more useful than the few lessons of trigonometry I had tbh. I've said for years now that all standardised testing should be on computers, monitor all web traffic from the machines, and then as long as there's no looking up direct answers then who cares? Knowing how to find out how to solve your problem is way more valuable than remembering a specific formula.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:02
|
|
|
Looking forward to a lot of ranting gammons who think Norway is in the EU and thus have a vendetta against AstraZeneca
Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Mar 18, 2021 |
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:04
|
|
|
Ghost Leviathan posted:I feel like a big point to tell kids- and parents- is that absolutely no one gives a poo poo what you did in high school so long as you graduated and didn't get caught doing any murders. Big one that kids refuse to believe until it happens to them is the moment you leave school you start to forget names - very very few people remain friends with old friendship groups, even if you end up in the same uni or college as them you end up on “sup” nodding terms after about a week. So many teenagers have messed up lives because parents gave in to the whinging and allowed them to go to the wrong college with a mate because they didn’t want to “not know anyone”. I’m going the other way with mini, they made noises about uni this year but how not fun would it be to start your first uni year during a pandemic too young to legally drink, the gap between 17 and 19 just destroys any chance of being a “normal” kid at uni so she can use the genius to collect more A level equivalent qualifications and then walk into any course she likes.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:08
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:Yeah I buggered up uni and college because I spent all school just knowing enough to get by without doing anything. Weird thing was that up the age of about 25 I was lazy as gently caress, and then I flipped and became a workaholic to the point that I now get super-anxious and depressed if I'm not working. (I'm self-employed and love what I do, though.)
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:14
|
|
|
I definitely wasn't considered a genius, but I was smart enough to coast along with good grades at school, and even in uni I was champion at hitting the library last day and hammering out a solid 2:1 essay on anything you care to mention. But I had no ability to take charge of my life, did no extra curricular activities or otherwise think about the future, then I was strongly encouraged to do a masters despite feeling serious trepidation about it just because I did pretty well at school and uni, and failed it majorly loving hard. Then I moved up north because family were up there and I had no idea what the gently caress to do with myself, spent a few years in what felt like a haze of nothing, before finally coming to terms with the fact that I needed to work on myself as a long term goal, never mind considering an actual career or anything. The big problem was that I was academically competent enough to mask a crippling lack of confidence, like I remember crying and sweating because I had to make a phone call when I wanted to order the Time Crisis lightgun bundle for my PS1. I've made big strides there, maybe in a couple of years I'll actually be able to plan out the big life decisions I was expected to be capable of 16 years ago.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:17
|
|
|
TheRat posted:Norwegian doctors just announced that they have confirmed that the AZ vaccine can sometimes trigger a very serious immuneresponse creating specific antibodies against platelets. I had a quick google but couldn't see anything, could you provide a link (I suppose its probably in Norwegian...)?
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:21
|
|
|
Camrath posted:I earned more p/h as a personal trainer but I loving /sucked/ at finding clients. Selling people large quantities of fudge to create your own list of clients was a genius solution imo
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:21
|
|
|
Carrier posted:I had a quick google but couldn't see anything, could you provide a link (I suppose its probably in Norwegian...)? https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:22
|
|
|
Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I've made big strides there, maybe in a couple of years I'll actually be able to plan out the big life decisions I was expected to be capable of 16 years ago. Fuckin christ, had one of Those Conversations tonight and I get ya Problem is that the modern idea of school is like 90% babysitting so the parents can work
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:23
|
|
|
TheRat posted:https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet Hmm, they do seem confident. I still find it strange that of the 25 million people vaccinated in the UK as far as I'm aware there hasn't been any evidence of these side effects. Possibly a batch issue? I personally find the point people make that the pill has a higher risk of blood clots than the AZ vaccine also quite compelling but I guess some will disagree.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 15:20 |
|
|
I went to a "vicelete gymnazium" (basically a grammar school) in czech republic, which also happened to be one of the best schools in the country going by subject competitions and stuff, and had a pretty great time. Probably helped it wasn't private so there weren't really any rich wanker bullies or whatever, though over 90% of the kids had both parents with uni degrees, coming from a generation where the university attendance rate was a touch over 10%. Lots of teachers, lawyers, doctors, journalists, engineers, researchers kids, that sort of thing. I dunno I had a brilliant time in a great environment and I don't think there was anyone who really got bullied there. Also was coeducational and mainly girls (something about them doing better at admission exams at 11) which made dating much easier, was a bit of a crushing disappointment doing CS at uni in that respect TBH.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2021 12:29
|
|
