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Grand Fromage posted:There's never been a full on official canon map of the galaxy. However all the semi-canon maps are broadly like this one: Is that the map from the TNG board game? I'm not talking about the VCR one that gave us the Experience Bij meme, I swear there was another one that had, like, crayons and you had to answer trivia questions and it was completely undecipherable to play.
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It's the map from google image search as far as I know.
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Mar 22, 2021 02:34
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Nah, it’s from the Star Trek Starcharts book that came out around ~03. I know this because I’m staring shamefully at my copy right now.
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Mar 22, 2021 02:34
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sunday at work posted:T-2: No fate, the future is what we make it.
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Mar 22, 2021 02:37
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Goblin Craft posted:Of all the shows I enjoyed that were canceled (and never got even a bone thrown at the fans like Farscape or Jericho), this one stung probably the most. It's actually gotten more painful in recent times since it was cancelled to save Dollhouse
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Mar 22, 2021 02:40
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Dollhouse's second and last season would have already been in production when Sarah Connor Chronicles second season was airing so that doesn't really track. If anything, it was cancelled to save Fringe.
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Mar 22, 2021 02:44
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Axe-man posted:I really hated the poo poo out of a.i. No movie has ever made me as angry as A.I. did. When a movie buddy picked that one she had no idea what was going to happen. I don't usually pause movies every 15-20 minutes to yell at the TV because someone decided to piss on Kubrik's legacy over and over and over again. It's been at least 10 years, I could probably record a good reaction video. TSCC rocked.
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Mar 22, 2021 02:54
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What if the Klingon empire just doesn't have borders? Cardassia and Romulus have big border zones with the federation not as the result of interstellar empires necessarily having contiguous borders along all the areas they control, but because those border zones are the result of wars where the settlement was any armed aligned ships in that area would be a problem that people could complain about but without any clear enforcement or retribution mechanism. Without a specific border zone line that, it's probably pretty easy to slide through the empty space between solar systems. Also I didn't understand much of AI as a kid, but I did know that I didn't like it.
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Mar 22, 2021 03:35
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All I know is that the Fed/Klingon neutral zone in Star Trek II being depicted as a bubble was fukken weird.
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Mar 22, 2021 03:49
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Timby posted:I will forever remain convinced that the ending of A.I. came from Spielberg, when he took over the movie following Kubrick's death. Like, he just flat-out said "There's no way I'm ending the movie with David asking to become a real boy until his batteries run out, I've got to graft something happier onto this." Everyone involved has said the movie's ending is loyal to what Kubrick and Ian Watson came up with, but I just don't buy it, not when taken in the context of pretty much everything Watson has ever written, not in the context of Kubrick being ... well, Kubrick. From what I've heard, the Kubrick ending is we end on David and his resurrected mother curled up, sleeping. The mother begins to dissolve away, piece by piece, until we're left on the image of David curled up with nothing. End.
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Mar 22, 2021 03:59
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Axe-man posted:I really hated the poo poo out of a.i.
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Mar 22, 2021 05:30
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More importantly, none of the Trek maps have ever made much sense, nor do I think one can make much sense.
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Mar 22, 2021 06:44
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It makes most sense if you imagine that the Empires are blobs but the Federation is a huge spread-out spikey mesh with bits and pieces all over. But I expect it'd be impossible to wholly reconcile with onscreen.
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Mar 22, 2021 06:56
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I mean, the whole idea of 'territory' when you're dealing with interstellar space is kind of weird. Interstellar space should be more like international waters, with discreet borders like the Neutral Zone being the exception, not the rule.
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Mar 22, 2021 07:18
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Just to complicate matters even further, there's also a nebula known as the Betreka Nebula that the Klingon Empire and Cardassian Union had a territorial dispute over for the better part of two decades. It was only ever mentioned once in a bit of throwaway dialogue once on DS9, so naturally it was turned into a book. It's actually kinda fun if you're a history nerd, since it takes the initial dispute and shows how it affects the course of galactic history during the early-mid 24th century, influencing things like the Romulan attack on Khitomer and why Worf was raised in the Federation and why the Cardassians ever built Terok Nor in the first place.
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Mar 22, 2021 07:24
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Angry Salami posted:I mean, the whole idea of 'territory' when you're dealing with interstellar space is kind of weird. Interstellar space should be more like international waters, with discreet borders like the Neutral Zone being the exception, not the rule. They would absolutely be weird blobs in 3D rather than overhead maps, though.
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Mar 22, 2021 07:29
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There’s no Z-axis in Star Trek space, so actually country-style borders and neutral zones make perfect sense. wait what do you mean the universe is vast and infinite and it wouldn’t just be Horatio Hornblower in space?
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Mar 22, 2021 07:49
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Mmm. The galactic disc is about 1000 light years thick here (with Earth sitting about 100ly 'above' the equator, towards galactic north), so it definitely isn't narrow enough to treat like 2D. It's one of those things where it's very much narratively beneficial to leave it as vague as possible, though. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Mar 22, 2021 |
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Mar 22, 2021 07:53
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Really in a practical sci-fi universe most of the black would be "international waters" and states can only meaningfully claim objects, because Space Is Big.
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Mar 22, 2021 08:12
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Sorry, going to be just sitting within a lawn darts throw distance away from this klingon ship in a to the death stand off in our blockaid of this planet. :kirksmug:
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Mar 22, 2021 08:14
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I've never watched a Terminator film past the first two, is 3 worth watching? Oh my god, you rare and precious flower. Living in a world where nothing happened after Terminator 2, one of the greatest sequels in all of cinema... brings a tear to my eye.
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Mar 22, 2021 08:38
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There are no Terminator movies after T2. There’s a cool TV show that lasted two seasons, though. Watch that and definitely not any movies that do not exist and never have.
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Mar 22, 2021 08:45
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Terminator Genesys makes most Trek novels look like Moby Dick
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Mar 22, 2021 09:43
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these are fantastic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tepVDyAUmc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HqSH2HYA8g
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Mar 22, 2021 10:01
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My favourite Trek-related meme sequence is Swear Trek on twitter. Something about the combination is just hilarious to me. Swearing is actually cool and good and funny. https://twitter.com/swear_trek/status/1366070824227192838 https://twitter.com/swear_trek/status/1359910289563648005
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Mar 22, 2021 14:21
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Kira should've been allowed to say gently caress
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Mar 22, 2021 14:26
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MikeJF posted:Kira should've been allowed to say gently caress There's a bit in the DS9 Q episode where O'Brien recognises him and mutters "bloody hellfire" to himself as he hurries off to alert the authorities, and that was fairly strong language over here at the time. I'm in favour of more cursing on TV to be honest, it's funny and good. Discovery made a bit too much of it at first but if they can relax and just use it as part of regular speech I'd be happy.
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Mar 22, 2021 14:32
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There's a bit more swearing and "hard language" in Picard, and honestly it ruined my immersion a bit (more) when it came from J-L (lol) or a few of the other known characters. It just didn't feel like their style. Seven gets a pass though.
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Mar 22, 2021 14:36
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BonHair posted:There's a bit more swearing and "hard language" in Picard, and honestly it ruined my immersion a bit (more) when it came from J-L (lol) or a few of the other known characters. It just didn't feel like their style. Seven gets a pass though. Yeah, it feels like it should be appropriate. Like Kira would absolutely swear. O'Brien, sure. Now I'm thinking about Spock saying 'double dumbass on you' or whatever it was in movie 4, that was excellent.
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Mar 22, 2021 14:39
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Picard was saying merde as early as TNG season one - he's the sweariest character in Trek!
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Angry Salami posted:Picard was saying merde as early as TNG season one - he's the sweariest character in Trek! Is it as strong in French as 'poo poo' is in English? I literally don't know. I remember when I was a kid visiting Germany 'scheisse' was way stronger to the teens I was hanging out with than 'poo poo' was to us. That was hilarious. Naturally we all taught each other swears.
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HopperUK posted:Yeah, it feels like it should be appropriate. Like Kira would absolutely swear. O'Brien, sure. That is not the hell who says that.
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Mar 22, 2021 15:07
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In one of the early Picard episodes where the Admiral gets all indignant and says ‘the sheer loving hubris!’ I just knew this wasn’t going to be good
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Mar 22, 2021 15:08
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CPColin posted:That is not the hell who says that. Oh my god you're right. Time for a rewatch!
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Mar 22, 2021 15:36
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It’s apparently Shatner’s 90th birthday today
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Mar 22, 2021 16:04
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HopperUK posted:Oh my god you're right. Time for a rewatch! A double smart brain on you!
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Mar 22, 2021 16:21
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FlamingLiberal posted:In one of the early Picard episodes where the Admiral gets all indignant and says ‘the sheer loving hubris!’ I just knew this wasn’t going to be good *Flips baseball cap around backwards on head, sits the wrong way on a chair facing you* all right fellow kids let's wrap about swear words like "piss" Wait where are you going
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Mar 22, 2021 19:49
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Just watched TNG episode 'Man of the people' where counselor Troi gets all hot and heavy. It was a weird episode but I enjoyed it.
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Mar 22, 2021 20:41
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That episode is one of many where Troi is being preyed upon by someone, of which there are way too many on TNG
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Her entire character is "a woman", which means it's the most obvious role to play in a script. This is bad for multiple reasons.
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