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wdarkk posted:It's good. Build Divers also has a good dub but why would you watch it. Sometimes I want to be able to look away and not miss something a character says because I don't understand Japanese.
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No I mean why would you watch Build Divers, period.
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Mar 23, 2021 14:48
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Oh I was talking about Build Fighters with its funny southeast Asia English dub. I haven't seen divers.
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Mar 23, 2021 14:49
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Because there are short segments where giant robots gently caress eachother up
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Mar 23, 2021 14:50
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The Penguin Kapool had some fun moments
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wdarkk posted:No I mean why would you watch Build Divers, period. I mean, it's not AGE. I started watching it, but I'm not exactly tripping over myself to continue.
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Mar 23, 2021 15:08
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I'm confused, does Reconguista take place before or after Turn A
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wdarkk posted:Re:Rise EN dub is complete now it seems. Gonna do a rewatch with a friend sometime.  Glad to hear it's complete.Arcsquad12 posted:Oh I was talking about Build Fighters with its funny southeast Asia English dub. I haven't seen divers. Despite what happened with the Build Fighters dub, both Divers and ReRise have pretty good dubs. I know I was surprised when I tried out Divers's dub. 
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Warmachine posted:I mean, it's not AGE. Yeah, AGE is better.
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Willo567 posted:I'm confused, does Reconguista take place before or after Turn A Absolutely everything about it and everyone involved says before and that's what makes sense. But Tomino says after.
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Szmitten posted:Absolutely everything about it and everyone involved says before and that's what makes sense. I prefer to imagine them as alternate timelines and/or alternate interpretations of a prophecy until there's canonical hard evidence to the contrary.
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Szmitten posted:Absolutely everything about it and everyone involved says before and that's what makes sense. The Borjarnons in Turn A are in much better shape than the suits you see in Jaburo in Greco, and Moonlight Butterfly and other Turn A tech is widely distributed through the suits in Greco.
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Willo567 posted:I'm confused, does Reconguista take place before or after Turn A G-Reco and Turn A are so distant from everything else, including each other, that it doesn't really matter.
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Midjack posted:G-Reco and Turn A are so distant from everything else, including each other, that it doesn't really matter. G-Reco is in the direct aftermath of the Universal Century, and the events of that still have repercussions on its plot. If Turn A came before G-Reco, you'd expect the Kuntala to be a huge deal in it.
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Darth Walrus posted:G-Reco is in the direct aftermath of the Universal Century, and the events of that still have repercussions on its plot. People kept saying this in this thread but I’m not sure why. Pretty sure G-Reco has uh several shows worth of material between it and UC. That is to say if it comes before Turn A at all. Which I guess it does because Tomino decided it did.
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Sam Sanskrit posted:People kept saying this in this thread but I’m not sure why. Pretty sure G-Reco has uh several shows worth of material between it and UC. That is to say if it comes before Turn A at all. Which I guess it does because Tomino decided it did. The Kuntala are specifically discriminated against because they're descendants of people raised as livestock at the end of the UC, which means that that happened recently enough for it to still exist in cultural memory, and that stories set in the same region before G-Reco and after the UC would have to have it be a rawer, more serious issue for G-Reco's depiction of Kuntala prejudice (faded, but still present and widespread) to make sense. Both G-Reco and Turn A prominently feature the country of Ameria, and therefore Turn A is required to happen afterwards. Turn A has no Kuntala discrimination and happens so far after the UC that even the UC suits they dig up are replicas from a previous era (Kapools aren't Capules, and Borjarnons aren't Zakus - they're newer suits built on old designs).
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Darth Walrus posted:The Kuntala are specifically discriminated against because they're descendants of people raised as livestock at the end of the UC, which means that that happened recently enough for it to still exist in cultural memory, and that stories set in the same region before G-Reco and after the UC would have to have it be a rawer, more serious issue for G-Reco's depiction of Kuntala prejudice (faded, but still present and widespread) to make sense. Both G-Reco and Turn A prominently feature the country of Ameria, and therefore Turn A is required to happen afterwards. Turn A has no Kuntala discrimination and happens so far after the UC that even the UC suits they dig up are replicas from a previous era (Kapools aren't Capules, and Borjarnons aren't Zakus - they're newer suits built on old designs). I'm sorry. I'm not to g reco yet but you're telling me people become cannibals and raise people to eat???????????????
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Ramadu posted:I'm sorry. I'm not to g reco yet but you're telling me people become cannibals and raise people to eat??????????????? Depends on if you consider the Kuntala people I suppose
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Ramadu posted:I'm sorry. I'm not to g reco yet but you're telling me people become cannibals and raise people to eat??????????????? It was in the backstory of G-Reco and it doesn't make slot of sense but you're supposed to just roll with it.
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Like I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a stand-in for anti-burakimin discrimination issues but it's just so wild it's hard for me to really develop an opinion about it.
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Xarbala posted:It was in the backstory of G-Reco and it doesn't make slot of sense but you're supposed to just roll with it.
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Yeah, the Kuntala stuff is one of the weirder setting elements in G-Reco which is saying a lot.
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G-Reco/Turn-A timeline arguments feel like a worse version of the 0.999...=1 stuff.
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the new show has a concept that doesn't exist in the one made decades before it, i don't think it really makes for a lore slam dunk either way
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I don't even think they brought the cannibalism stuff when it was in SRW X
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dogsicle posted:the new show has a concept that doesn't exist in the one made decades before it, i don't think it really makes for a lore slam dunk either way Why? They could have chosen to integrate the new show's lore with the old one if they wanted it to serve as a sequel rather than a prequel, and they very much didn't.
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because poo poo can just be retconned. CC is weird anyway because it also sucked up every AU, so i don't think the two shows need to particularly align
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Willo567 posted:I'm confused, does Reconguista take place before or after Turn A Tomino claimed it to be set after, Sunrise claims before Ramadu posted:I'm sorry. I'm not to g reco yet but you're telling me people become cannibals and raise people to eat??????????????? It possibly ties into the food shortages that are in the background of G-Savior(which is the current endpoint for the Universal Century proper)
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Willo567 posted:I don't even think they brought the cannibalism stuff when it was in SRW X I think it was mentioned, since it's an important part of Mask's motivation, but it doesn't really dwell on it.
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The cannibalism is only mentioned in passing in the show too.
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dogsicle posted:because poo poo can just be retconned. CC is weird anyway because it also sucked up every AU, so i don't think the two shows need to particularly align I just keep picturing that when someone does a Turn A HD Remaster ala Seed they just splice in something about Kuntala ala Hayden Christianson in the Star Wars movies. Personally I think thematically it makes more sense for Turn A to come first and G-Reco to represent the logical progression of Turn A's Edwardian society into a post-industrial and space age society with minimal concept of what war really is thanks to the outcome of Turn A "breaking the cycle" that perpetrated the Dark History. Droyer posted:The cannibalism is only mentioned in passing in the show too. As with most things mentioned in passing when a piece of media has a sufficiently large fandom, this becomes a heated point of debate and speculation that leaves the original authors scratching their heads.
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Warmachine posted:I just keep picturing that when someone does a Turn A HD Remaster ala Seed they just splice in something about Kuntala ala Hayden Christianson in the Star Wars movies. Pretty sure Turn A is already in HD but if they want to do a 4k remaster I'm down.
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Darth Walrus posted:The Kuntala are specifically discriminated against because they're descendants of people raised as livestock at the end of the UC, which means that that happened recently enough for it to still exist in cultural memory, and that stories set in the same region before G-Reco and after the UC would have to have it be a rawer, more serious issue for G-Reco's depiction of Kuntala prejudice (faded, but still present and widespread) to make sense. Both G-Reco and Turn A prominently feature the country of Ameria, and therefore Turn A is required to happen afterwards. Turn A has no Kuntala discrimination and happens so far after the UC that even the UC suits they dig up are replicas from a previous era (Kapools aren't Capules, and Borjarnons aren't Zakus - they're newer suits built on old designs). Right but you are actually skipping over the part that’s not true which is that the Kuntala are from late UC. I’m pretty sure this is not actually said or implied by anything. Just that they are from whatever era immediately precedes the show. Which due to the nature of Turn A could be basically anything. EDIT: As a side I note I think we have been getting Tominos word on this backwards. I think he decided that g reco was AFTER Turn A specifically so the kids would not have to live through the black history. But whatever his decision was it seems to have been made retroactively in a spur of the moment kind of thing so whatever Sam Sanskrit fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Mar 24, 2021 |
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drrockso20 posted:Tomino claimed it to be set after, Sunrise claims before Tomino's claims shocked pretty much everyone else who worked on the show. He may have also been drunk at the time. Even aside from that, though, I find placing Turn A at the end is much more satisfying, and not just because it's arguably the best Gundam series while G-Reco is, at best, a mixed bag. Turn A is a story about war being stopped, Earth's long lost children returning home, and swords turning into plowshares. It has a feeling of ending about it. G-Reco, meanwhile, is about a war spinning back up, with a resolution that doesn't really resolve much. The core conflicts of the setting are mostly untouched, the terrifying weapons of war can be rebuilt (the G-Self was almost a mass production model) and no-one seems to have learned much. It's hard to believe some dumbass won't kick thinks off again a few years down the line. It's not a satisfying large scale conclusion. Heck, it hardly feels like a conclusion to itself.
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G Reco simultaneously takes place before and after every single Gundam show.
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chiasaur11 posted:Tomino's claims shocked pretty much everyone else who worked on the show. G-Reco takes place after an era of peace and regrowth so long and successful that people have literally forgotten how to fight wars and the Earth's environment has almost completely repaired itself despite continued human habitation. That is a plausible extension of Turn A's swords to plowshares ending. Turn A's ending feels more like a conclusion insofar as it presents the idea of "and then conflict was solved and we finally learned to live in peace this time", but depending on how cynically you read Gundam it's equally plausible to assume that the cycle of human conflict will continue forever as part of our inherent nature and that G-Reco is just another example of that.
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War is essential to human nature, the moonrace conflict may have ended but I don't buy for a second that that means all war has ended. Kanos posted:but depending on how cynically you read Gundam it's equally plausible to assume that the cycle of human conflict will continue forever as part of our inherent nature and that G-Reco is just another example of that.
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Gaius Marius posted:I don't think this is necessarily cynical. I'm reminded of the hilarious but poignant bit in Wing where they shot their Gundams into the sun at the end of the TV series because War Was Over, Forever and then had to frantically go retrieve them to deal with the Mariemaia Army in Endless Waltz almost immediately.
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Kanos posted:I'm reminded of the hilarious but poignant bit in Wing where they shot their Gundams into the sun at the end of the TV series because War Was Over, Forever and then had to frantically go retrieve them to deal with the Mariemaia Army in Endless Waltz almost immediately. Then they blow them up because this time definitely for sure.
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