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https://about.skechers.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/SKECHERS-USA-STATEMENT-UYGHURS-March-2021.pdf  EDIT: To be clear, Skechers released this statement in response to Nike issuing a statement expressing "concern" about the use of forced labor in the production of cotton from Xinjiang. Their claim is based on a claim by the Australian Strategic Policy Institue: https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/nike-apple-supply-chains-forced-uighur-labor/573556/ gradenko_2000 posted:
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well the shoe factory has convinced me
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Put quite simply if what the Chinese are doing to their own citizens was being done to Americans by Americans other Americans would rightfully call it a genocide.
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Mar 25, 2021 14:33
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Relevant Tangent posted:Put quite simply if what the Chinese are doing to their own citizens was being done to Americans by Americans other Americans would rightfully call it a genocide. 
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Mar 25, 2021 14:37
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I hope that the people who deny it go through the experience with their loved ones. This doesn't count as wishing harm on denialists. If it does, then they're implicitly acknowledging they're disingenuous shits.
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Mar 25, 2021 14:47
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Mar 25, 2021 15:01
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Relevant Tangent posted:Put quite simply if what the Chinese are doing to their own citizens was being done to Americans by Americans other Americans would rightfully call it a genocide. lol
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Mar 25, 2021 15:04
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Relevant Tangent posted:Put quite simply if what the Chinese are doing to their own citizens was being done to Americans by Americans other Americans would rightfully call it a genocide. https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1374235302945026049
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Mar 25, 2021 15:06
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ah, but gradenko, those aren't americans, those are just refugees fleeing conditions created by american imperialism. gotcha'd
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Mar 25, 2021 15:08
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A ton of Americans are calling out the camps on the border, in America. Also it's wild if you can recognize that those are genocidal death camps but not that the ones in China are.
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Mar 25, 2021 15:09
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technically not us citizens  it’s still 100% a genocide though especially with the confirmation that migrant children were transferred to white christian families without the consent or even knowledge of their parents after they relaxed in the sun
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Relevant Tangent posted:A ton of Americans are calling out the camps on the border, in America. Also it's wild if you can recognize that those are genocidal death camps but not that the ones in China are. The question is, what is the political purpose of genocidal death camps in China? It's obvious why the US would want to torture and dehumanize nonwhite migrants. Why would China do an about-face and start trying to exterminate the self-same ethnic group whose social reproduction they directly supported scant decades ago?
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Mar 25, 2021 15:15
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Relevant Tangent posted:A ton of Americans are calling out the camps on the border, in America. Also it's wild if you can recognize that those are genocidal death camps but not that the ones in China are. you got me, i care way more about the hosed up abuses of the US than the abuses of China, and i don’t see the point in joining the ramp up to war, joining the chorus as we begin sanctions on china. i also dont think the biden concentration camps on the border are “genocidal death camps” and nor is what is happening in xinjiang a genocide
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Mar 25, 2021 15:16
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Ferrinus posted:The question is, what is the political purpose of genocidal death camps in China? It's obvious why the US would want to torture and dehumanize nonwhite migrants. Why would China do an about-face and start trying to exterminate the self-same ethnic group whose social reproduction they directly supported scant decades ago? I don't know. I think being willing to call them what they are is probably an important first step to figuring it out.
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Mar 25, 2021 15:18
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Relevant Tangent posted:Put quite simply if what the Chinese are doing to their own citizens was being done to Americans by Americans other Americans would rightfully call it a genocide. If the US had a massive re-education program for our rural religious reactionaries we'd have considerably less psychotic right wing politics nationally after a generation or two, and a more functional society, so not sure what point you're trying to make here.
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Relevant Tangent posted:I don't know. I think being willing to call them what they are is probably an important first step to figuring it out. what proof do you have that there are genocidal death camps in xinjiang
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THS posted:you got me, i care way more about the hosed up abuses of the US than the abuses of China, and i don’t see the point in joining the ramp up to war, joining the chorus as we begin sanctions on china. i also dont think the biden concentration camps on the border are “genocidal death camps” and nor is what is happening in xinjiang a genocide THS posted:what proof do you have that there are genocidal death camps in xinjiang Would you put your family into the camps in China? No? Then we can at least agree that they're not places sane people want to be.
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OK baizuo posted:If the US had a massive re-education program for our rural religious reactionaries we'd have considerably less psychotic right wing politics nationally after a generation or two, and a more functional society, so not sure what point you're trying to make here. gently caress you bootlicker it's cool to have death camps if they lead to the right politics is straight fascist
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Mar 25, 2021 15:20
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Relevant Tangent posted:Would you put your family into the camps in China? no, i wouldnt put them in biden’s concentration camps either, but i wouldnt call it a genocidal death camp?? if it wasnt???
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Relevant Tangent posted:Would you put your family into the camps in China? what camps tho legitimately asking. do you know anything about these camps?
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THS posted:no, i wouldnt put them in biden’s concentration camps either, but i wouldnt call it a genocidal death camp?? if it wasnt??? so it's a concentration camp, and there's no way those are going to go further, they'll definitely stop there
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Flavius Aetass posted:what camps tho are you saying they don't exist?
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weird to go from “genocidal death camps” to “would you want your family to be an oppressed minority in a state on the opposite side of the world”
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Mar 25, 2021 15:23
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Maybe the guy who accused the Han Chinese of genociding themselves through their population control policies is not 100% genuine in his outrage. Just a thought
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Relevant Tangent posted:Would you put your family into the camps in China? this isn't an answer to the question
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Relevant Tangent posted:so it's a concentration camp, and there's no way those are going to go further, they'll definitely stop there ok so now we are purely into the realm of the hypothetical because you have no evidence for your initial hysterics
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Mar 25, 2021 15:23
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THS posted:weird to go from “genocidal death camps” to “would you want your family to be an oppressed minority in a state on the opposite side of the world” what we are okay with a government doing to it's people will be done to us
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Mar 25, 2021 15:24
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Relevant Tangent posted:what we are okay with a government doing to it's people will be done to us what does it matter what i am Ok with china doing? what effect does my denouncement of the abuses in xinjiang have? do you think you are brave for saying China Bad?
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THS posted:ok so now we are purely into the realm of the hypothetical because you have no evidence for your initial hysterics there's no sources i believe that you believe, we don't interact with the same reality i don't know how to bridge that gap, and you're not going to attempt to because you have no interest in arguing that a genocide is occuring
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Relevant Tangent posted:I don't know. I think being willing to call them what they are is probably an important first step to figuring it out. Your problem is that you aren't being cynical enough. There isn't some kind of universal human urge to commit genocide that all world leaders are secretly restraining. States do things to advance their material interests, not just because. Follow the money! Per quotes I posted earlier, there's a solid argument to be made that the CCP is engaged in, if not a cultural genocide per se, at least a sort of cultural bed of Procrustes - sanding off all the rough or potentially-destabilizing edges of Uyghur culture in order to leave something behind which is conducive to A) entering the labor force and B) driving tourism. These are both things which will enrich and strengthen the state, and which Middle Eastern terrorism gives the Chinese government the pretext to do with state-backed coercion rather than simply waiting for it to happen through market forces. The cultural and economic position of Uyghurs in China just isn't the same as the cultural and economic position of Mexicans or Hondurans in the US, so China has no incentive to treat them like we treat Mexicans and Hondurans. To be sure, China will subject them to coercive force in accordance with its interests, but you need to have some grasp of what those interests actually are.
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Relevant Tangent posted:there's no sources i believe that you believe, we don't interact with the same reality maybe you should post some of those sources that you believe. or not, this is an entertaining meltdown either way
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Relevant Tangent posted:gently caress you bootlicker Getting over the "authoritarianism is inherently bad (except when it's within a private capitalist institution by its owners!)" is the last great neoliberal brainworm, good luck friend.
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Relevant Tangent posted:there's no sources i believe that you believe, we don't interact with the same reality yeah i don’t really understand why you would accept the assertions of the US state department at face value, we are indeed in a different reality
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Relevant Tangent posted:are you saying they don't exist? No
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OK baizuo posted:Stop being so obviously disingenuous by equating re-education to extermination. for me it was realizing that authoritarianism is fake
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THS posted:yeah i don’t really understand why you would accept the assertions of the US state department at face value, we are indeed in a different reality America has no credibility lol
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Serf posted:for me it was realizing that authoritarianism is fake Boy, can you believe that socialist states constitute a class dictatorship? Thank goodness that's not true for literally all other states by definition- (touches earpiece, frowns)
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THS posted:weird to go from “genocidal death camps” to “would you want your family to be an oppressed minority in a state on the opposite side of the world”
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OK baizuo posted:Stop being so obviously disingenuous by equating re-education to extermination.
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No one in Cspam defends this. It's also extremely stupid to equate the two. There's a much better example under FDR.
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