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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:yeah lol its basically a white supremacist forum that drives away any minority voices or anyone who doesnt follow anarcho-lib-statedepartmentalist thought Yeah I joined B&R back when the forum was literally falling apart but never got to posting. I uh do not feel like I'd be welcome there nowadays if it's primarily an anarchist thing
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Flying-PCP posted:Anyway cultural genocide is genocide hth. lol Wait until evangelicals start accusing liberals and socialists of “cultural genocide” due to their declining numbers with this logic THS posted:read posts on reddit (dont read reddit) and the uhh “discourse” on china is quite something RussiaGate proved to be a success for capital; repeat the big lie over and over again on corporate media and social media and the illiterate consumer masses will eat it up
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Flying-PCP posted:Anyway cultural genocide is genocide hth. are you pro or against? your post is unclear
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Deified Data posted:Yeah I joined B&R back when the forum was literally falling apart but never got to posting. I uh do not feel like I'd be welcome there nowadays if it's primarily an anarchist thing yeah Bread and Roses banned or drove off anyone who said things like "China is treating the Uyghurs badly but it's not a genocide in the sense of death camps" because the admin line there is basically the Rime approach and it was insufficiently strident and condemnatory. also anyone who said they were a communist not an anarchist got labelled a tankie, it was a bad time all round Ferrinus posted:I'm told that bread & roses summarily banned a very informative Chinese poster for having the wrong opinion on Xinjiang. John Charity Spring has issued a correction as of 00:11 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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paul_soccer12 posted:Lol anarchists
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jarofpiss posted:are you pro or against? your post is unclear I'm against it. commielingus posted:lol Cult != Culture
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John Charity Spring posted:yeah Bread and Roses banned or drove off anyone who said things like "China is treating the Uyghurs badly but it's not a genocide in the sense of death camps" because the admin line there is basically the Rime approach and it was insufficiently strident and condemnatory. also anyone who said they were a communist not an anarchist got labelled a tankie, it was a bad time all round This does not surprise me, based on the posters that left and stayed gone lol
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paul_soccer12 posted:Lol anarchists
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Deified Data posted:I would like to push back a bit against the assertion that China is being accused of "cultural genocide" It might be worthwhile to look up the main definitions used for genocide because you very emphatically do not need a literal holocaust-type extermination system to be a genocide by every major definition. Considering china itself has officially acknowleded that they're trying to stamp out uighur culture and forcibly assimilate them via re-education and occupational training, idk how you dispute that when that's what china is doing according to their own official account of the purposes of the camps... and it clearly meets the accepted definitions of genocide. Like that's before even touching foreign sources or anything else, the official story that they're choosing to push for what they're doing is already horrifying. Herstory Begins Now has issued a correction as of 00:12 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It might be worthwhile to look up the main definitions used for genocide because you very emphatically do not need a literal holocaust-type extermination system to be a genocide by every major definition. Considering china itself has officially acknowleded that they're trying to stamp out uighur culture and forcibly assimilate them via re-education and occupational training, idk how you dispute that when that's what china is doing according to their own official account of the purposes of the camps meets the definition of genocide. Has it ever occurred to you that indoctrination is not genocide
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i stopped posting or reading reddit after seeing too many threads calling the roma "gypo thieves and scammers" and then getting downvoted once to -400 by people calling me a "stupid multiculturalist" when i said they sounded like nazis
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I mean those internment camps aren't a great look regardless and raise a whole slew of red flags of course feigning outrage over this while we're doing the exact same thing on the southern border is patently absurd
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:lmao now flavius is the genocide denial mod
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oxsnard posted:I mean those internment camps aren't a great look regardless and raise a whole slew of red flags
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commielingus posted:Has it ever occurred to you that indoctrination is not genocide idk I'm applying the most widely used definition, quote:Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. (Article 2 CPPCG) albeit i suggest people consider the other ways people have considered defining genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It might be worthwhile to look up the main definitions used for genocide because you very emphatically do not need a literal holocaust-type extermination system to be a genocide by every major definition. Considering china itself has officially acknowleded that they're trying to stamp out uighur culture and forcibly assimilate them via re-education and occupational training, idk how you dispute that when that's what china is doing according to their own official account of the purposes of the camps meets the definition of genocide. no they havent. they are trying to stamp out the creeping wahhabist elements coming over the border, which im not going to claim isnt rife with abuses. but picking up some uighur kid because his cousin traveled to syria and making him denounce ETIM, while extremely heavyhanded doesnt even reach "cultural repression"
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China has not officially aknowledged that they want to eradicate Uighur culture, actually quite the opposite. Their official stance is to prevent radicalization towards terrorism, with the camps aiming to combat the material conditions that enable such radicalization. You don't have to believe them and may argue that their actions will lead to the destruction of the culture but claiming they openly admit that as their goal is insane.
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:yeah lol its basically a white supremacist forum that drives away any minority voices or anyone who doesnt follow anarcho-lib-statedepartmentalist thought I post there really rarely but from what i've seen it's just Another C-Spam I haven't been paying that much attention though outside of a making fun of biden thread so who knows where it went oxsnard posted:I mean those internment camps aren't a great look regardless and raise a whole slew of red flags once again the "cudgel to own your posting enemies" argument is revealed to be pure projection, libs are only getting hysterical about this so we'll shut up about the concentration camps
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:no they havent. they are trying to stamp out the creeping wahhabist elements coming over the border, which im not going to claim isnt rife with abuses. but picking up some uighur kid because his cousin traveled to syria and making him denounce ETIM, while extremely heavyhanded doesnt even reach "cultural repression" Yeah from what little information we've been able to confirm China are just being dicks rather than genocidal lunatics like the USA
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THS posted:read posts on reddit (dont read reddit) and the uhh “discourse” on china is quite something Anywhere that isn't CSPAM, rhizzone, and marxist twitter are the only places where discussions about China don't evolve into racist poo poo about Chinese people. It's legitimately very frustrating.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:idk I'm applying the most widely used definition, And where is that definition happening in china again?
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:anarcho-lib-statedepartmentalist thought 
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Herstory Begins Now posted:idk I'm applying the most widely used definition, Sure, and by that definition the USA is engaging in the genocide of African Americans. Which is a reasonable conclusion I agree with, but surely you don't think we should ban any poster who disagrees with that conclusion.
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Baykin posted:My post that everybody is quoting was from when Roth said they had pending action awaiting Admin approval. The action in fact turned out to be that the thread is fine evidently. I was referring to Rime, who I had queued stuff on last night.
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Amazing how people think indoctrination = genocide By that definition marxism-leninism is a genocidal ideology
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really queer Christmas posted:This does not surprise me, based on the posters that left and stayed gone lol It is wild that Pener left for BNR, he was a good poster imo.
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Yinlock posted:Yeah from what little information we've been able to confirm China are just being dicks rather than genocidal lunatics like the USA I think this is a bit over the line in minimizing it
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Flavius Aetass posted:I think this is a bit over the line in minimizing it yeah I was debating how to word that basically china is being bad but not omega bad
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commielingus posted:Amazing how people think indoctrination = genocide many liberals believe that, in fact
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commielingus posted:Amazing how people think indoctrination = genocide it is OP
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It might be worthwhile to look up the main definitions used for genocide because you very emphatically do not need a literal holocaust-type extermination system to be a genocide by every major definition. Considering china itself has officially acknowleded that they're trying to stamp out uighur culture and forcibly assimilate them via re-education and occupational training, idk how you dispute that when that's what china is doing according to their own official account of the purposes of the camps... and it clearly meets the accepted definitions of genocide. So to provide context, I think forcible re-education by the state of some targeted cultural or ethnic minority is always genocide. That said, the British foreign secretary explicitly compared the Uighur genocide to the Nazis this week, though. It's being invoked as an explicit comparison in order to create an amplify a casus belli for economic and what I'm certain will be eventual military action against China, and a large part of that comparison is based on Zenz-sourced statistics that have no basis in reality as far as I've been able to tell. Do you think it's justifiable for the US and allies to amplify comparison to the Nazis to justify warfare against a nation-state rival even as the US carries out genocidal programs at home? Is it justifiable to discuss that disinformation campaign in service of arguing against a pro-war drumbeat advanced by US-funded propaganda outlets?
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AnimeIsTrash posted:It is wild that Pener left for BNR, he was a good poster imo. I can't say I blame anyone for leaving at the time. There are a lot of posters I wish would come back.
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commielingus posted:Amazing how people think indoctrination = genocide I imagine 99% of the folks pushing the Xinjiang narrative would enthusiastically agree
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Flavius Aetass posted:many liberals believe that, in fact which is weird since libs love painting over their country's history to remove any trace of actual revolutionary thought or action they love indoctrination
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oxsnard posted:I just wanted to chime in to say that this thread was very interesting to read. I don't have a problem with posters calling it genocide, especially if they also use the term (along with "concentration camps") to describe what the US has done and currently does. I do understand the frustration dealing with western media, especially since there aren't many publications who will call our governments treatment of native americans genocide. That absolutely was genocide waaaaaay above and beyond what China is accused of doing today the western media is 100% concern trolling
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Yinlock posted:I post there really rarely but from what i've seen it's just Another C-Spam wait are you accusing me of doing that? I'm so confused
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oxsnard posted:wait are you accusing me of doing that? I'm so confused no, was adding to your "feigning outrage" bit the libs on these forums think any anger is just performative to "own your posting enemies" and this has been revealed to be total projection as usual
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Cao Ni Ma posted:it is OP Stfu (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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commielingus posted:Amazing how people think indoctrination = genocide
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