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Mar 26, 2021 18:01
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These new stellar quadrants are confusing.
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Mar 26, 2021 18:23
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a neat cape posted:So Sisko remembers everything that happened, right? Even if it was just a few minutes for him, he gets the full Inner Light treatment? yeah. he basically gets zapped and experiences just the quick snap cuts to jake at various ages breaking down and crying over and over and then after about five minutes sees jake kill himself to send him back on his way Shyrka posted:Yeah, her character wasn't very well fleshed out but Jadzia kind of felt like the most 'stereotypcially Federation' kind of person in that she's a highly educated hedonist, basically. She's not the most Trill or the most Klingon or the most Human, or even the most Starfleet, but she best embodies the sum of parts that the Federation is, in all its post scarcity utopia-ness. she literally buys bashir a porn holosuite program called like "the pleasure goddess of ryx"
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Mar 26, 2021 20:18
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jeeves posted:All of those ships that desperately need white dudes to captain them make me remember like... why doesn’t Starfleet have way more ships? If like scarcity is not so much of an issue and you can commission giant fuckoff Galaxy class cruise ships, wouldn’t starfleet have a ton of smaller ships? It would make sense if there were kind of flights of ships, where you would have a run of big ships - medium ships - Didn't the Federation have some uncrewed probes out to the Gamma Quadrant? They just presumably got told not to bother anybody and just do long range telescopic scans.
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Mar 26, 2021 20:20
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I'm getting into DS9 again, currently at season 2 (holy poo poo I look forward to having a real job soon, binging multiple series in a few months is not that good), and I honestly like Jadzia a lot more than Sisko. A big part of it is also my dislike for the overly theatrical acting on Sisko's part, but Jadzia works for me as a sarcastic character who is mostly there to have fun and not have anything too seriously. I agree that she's not a deep character, but I think she mainly works as a counterweight to Kira and Sisko who are way too serious. Sort of like O'Brien actually, but him and the Ferengi are the real stars of the show. Unless Garak is on. He's the best.
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Mar 26, 2021 22:08
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Having guys in spacesuits floating about welding stuff may be better visually, but in my mind the Federation (by the TNG era) has the tech and resources to replicate whatever bits they need, beam them directly to where they're needed, and then have robots assemble and molecularly bond them together to build starships as if they're Corollas coming off the production line. The huge leap in the number of the number of ships is easy enough to handwave away on the grounds that the Federation is really, really huge and incredibly advanced. The floating guys with welders are just there to make the organics feel as if they're contributing something.
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Mar 26, 2021 22:16
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Pfft they don't even need robots, it's all tractor beams
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Mar 26, 2021 22:18
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is this like hankerchief code or something?
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Mar 26, 2021 22:36
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As much as I like big sci-fi space battles, the battles in DS9 never really sat right with me. Regardless of numbers, Federation, and really all the alpha quadrant species ships had always been depeicted as big investemenst in resources and crew, the loss of any one being a big deal. These are capital ships in every sense of the term, with large crews that we care about. Now season five rolls around and they are blowing through a hundred plus in every battle. Probably beyond the effects of the time but a better visual metaphor for the Dominion War would have been smaller numbers of alpha quadrant ships fighting off swarms of what we know are much smaller Jem'hedar fighters. The Federation makes a real investment in each crew member and vessel while the Dominon are willing to throw wave after wave of cannon fodder until they brute force the win; just tell one of the Vorta which planet you want and keep throwing fighters at it until you have it.
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Mar 26, 2021 23:08
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Nessus posted:You would possibly also have a tier of ships which are nearly useless militarily - like Voyager but more so - but would still fill important interior roles, like scanning gaseous anomalies and hauling freight.  Although hell, even the larger Parliament Class in Lower Decks was considered to be a prestigious posting and it was specialised for large-scale engineering projects. One issue is that we never saw the level of civilian day-to-day non-starfleet ships and traffic that would be necessary for something like the Federation. At the start of TNG they were on the frontier but later on we moved closer in and of course there was DS9 in general and we still didn't see the kind of expected constant space civilian operation.
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Mar 26, 2021 23:13
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Mar 26, 2021 23:25
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MikeJF posted:
Chalk that up to one of the other things that Beyond did well, where the station was implied to be mostly civilian in nature. That would have been amazing for DS9 or First Contact though, having this big pivotal battles commandeering literally any vessel they could.
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Mar 26, 2021 23:26
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Senor Tron posted:Chalk that up to one of the other things that Beyond did well, where the station was implied to be mostly civilian in nature. Which does explain how the Hathaway from Peak Performance which was basically a derelict got brought back into service by Redemption - I guess they really needed every ship they could get their hands on. Makes you wonder if the Stargazer got pulled out of mothballs...
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Mar 26, 2021 23:35
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MikeJF posted:
Are there rooms with glass floors on that ship, or are those prisms that pipe views of space onto interior walls?
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Mar 27, 2021 00:06
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I'm going to blow your mind here, but there's no gravity in space. They can arrange the gravity deck plating however they want.
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Mar 27, 2021 00:18
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The Borg had the right idea. Just make it a fuckin cube who cares.
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Mar 27, 2021 00:21
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SlothfulCobra posted:Are there rooms with glass floors on that ship, or are those prisms that pipe views of space onto interior walls? It may be a piece of poo poo, but it's our piece of poo poo!
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Mar 27, 2021 00:33
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SlothfulCobra posted:Are there rooms with glass floors on that ship, or are those prisms that pipe views of space onto interior walls? A lot of Starfleet ships have windows where there realistically should not be windows.  The Steamrunner, for example, is another one of those big "windows or glass floors?" ships.
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Mar 27, 2021 01:18
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Martytoof posted:The Borg had the right idea. You would have to care a great deal to make it a perfect square like that. Generative design is often weird and random looking, and in space there's no real reason to constrict that. It would have made more sense to make Borg ships look like beat up pieces of steel wool.
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Mar 27, 2021 01:38
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Payndz posted:Having guys in spacesuits floating about welding stuff may be better visually, but in my mind the Federation (by the TNG era) has the tech and resources to replicate whatever bits they need, beam them directly to where they're needed, and then have robots assemble and molecularly bond them together to build starships as if they're Corollas coming off the production line. The huge leap in the number of the number of ships is easy enough to handwave away on the grounds that the Federation is really, really huge and incredibly advanced. Tighclops posted:Pfft they don't even need robots, it's all tractor beams Y'all are on the verge of turning the Federation into the Culture, and frankly it's been done.
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Mar 27, 2021 01:57
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jeeves posted:All of those ships that desperately need white dudes to captain them make me remember like... why doesn’t Starfleet have way more ships? If like scarcity is not so much of an issue and you can commission giant fuckoff Galaxy class cruise ships, wouldn’t starfleet have a ton of smaller ships? The number of ships never made sense, but what's actually shown on-screen makes it pretty clear that the Federation is only really post-scarcity on a personal/consumer level. They don't just have infinite resources for shipbuilding or other massive projects.
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Mar 27, 2021 05:49
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Y'all are on the verge of turning the Federation into the Culture, and frankly it's been done.
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Mar 27, 2021 08:23
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MikeJF posted:
Do they take a turbolift through the nacelles to get to where I assume Engineering is?
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Mar 27, 2021 10:57
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V-Men posted:Do they take a turbolift through the nacelles to get to where I assume Engineering is? Yes.  The designers have said it's one of the reasons the cowling around the nacelles is so visibly thick. (And hey, the Steamrunner was posted just a few posts above this and it has the same thing happening) The ship design is meant to be in part a TNG-era tribute to the Miranda/Oberth - the Miranda is McMahan's favourite and the Cali class is kinda depicted on the show as a 24th century Oberth little trash utility ship that keeps getting blown up - so being ungraceful and having a weird pod that's awkward to get to is part of that. It grows on you massively after you watch the show, I gotta say. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Mar 27, 2021 |
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Mar 27, 2021 11:06
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Has anyone watched this video that explains that the Enterprise D's crew of about 1,000 people is way too small for such a large ship? The typical aircraft carrier has a bigger crew than that and is much smaller than the Enterprise-D. But it's not too ridiculous if you think about it. Really, for spaceships you'd want to automate as many things as possible because it's a pain to keep human beings alive and healthy in a spaceship. Humans need food and water and air and entertainment whereas machines only require electricity. Remember how the Nostromo in Alien had only a half-dozen crewmen, who spent most of the journey in hibernation? That's what spaceship designers of the future will be aiming for.
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Mar 27, 2021 16:43
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That guy used the price of a custom made Star Fleet uniform replica to try and determine how much a real one would cost in universe...
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Mar 27, 2021 17:00
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Kurzon posted:Has anyone watched this video that explains that the Enterprise D's crew of about 1,000 people is way too small for such a large ship? The typical aircraft carrier has a bigger crew than that and is much smaller than the Enterprise-D. But it's not too ridiculous if you think about it. Really, for spaceships you'd want to automate as many things as possible because it's a pain to keep human beings alive and healthy in a spaceship. Humans need food and water and air and entertainment whereas machines only require electricity. Remember how the Nostromo in Alien had only a half-dozen crewmen, who spent most of the journey in hibernation? That's what spaceship designers of the future will be aiming for. The originally designed Enterprise-D as done by Probert had a crew of 5000, but they scaled it back to 1000 because they felt they couldn't depict 5 realistically onscreen. That said, you've got to keep in mind that this thing is a mobile starbase which is designed to be able to do anything and support whatever crises an entire planet is having, and last by itself outside of Federation space without resupply for decades. I don't have the sternbach blueprints on me, but look at stuff from the whitefire ones (earlier blueprints, he worked directly with probert on them before the contract was cancelled)  A lot of the saucer is a rim of cabins around huge vaults of tankage and supply and equipment. Masses of space aboard is taken up by storage or capability rather than just the people.
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Mar 27, 2021 17:05
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I got some more nitpicking on silly plot holes. In Undiscovered Country, once the Enterprise crew uncovers the conspiracy to sabotage the peace talks, why didn't they just send a quick message to Khitomer to warn them of a possible assassination attempt?
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Mar 27, 2021 17:08
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With the frisbee-toothpick-hotdog layout of Fed ships, how effective would a giant spaceship fist or sword be against it? Seems like your average Outlaw Star spaceship could just grab a Federation ship by the toothpicks and jerk it around or snap off it's nacelles. Actually in general they seemed to never use much besides laser and energy weapons. Send a small autopilot fighter to kamikaze into the skinny parts. Are the magic shields meant to also totally deflect physical assault, if both the smashing object and fed ship have shields do they bounce off eachother or what's the deal?
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Mar 27, 2021 17:12
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Shields deflect physical objects. If two objects with shields smash into each other they'll probably fzzzzzzzz until the weaker shield burns out. Also parts being skinny and looking skinny matters less in part because the ship is also held together by structural integrity fields, which are basically forcefields reinforcing the material strength of the things like the pylons by an order of magnitude. But yeah, the physical attack can work in certain circumstances - in Star Trek Beyond the very first strike by a massive swarm of small alien ships hit the deflectors of the Enterprise and took them out, and from there they basically rammed through the ship and shredded it piece by piece. 
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Mar 27, 2021 17:18
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I mean, the whole point of the deflector dish is to shield against physical objects, and they've got object-blocking forcefields in the brig, so I assume the main shields would also block a physical impact.
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Mar 27, 2021 17:18
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Khanstant posted:With the frisbee-toothpick-hotdog layout of Fed ships, how effective would a giant spaceship fist or sword be against it? Seems like your average Outlaw Star spaceship could just grab a Federation ship by the toothpicks and jerk it around or snap off it's nacelles. Actually in general they seemed to never use much besides laser and energy weapons. Send a small autopilot fighter to kamikaze into the skinny parts. Are the magic shields meant to also totally deflect physical assault, if both the smashing object and fed ship have shields do they bounce off eachother or what's the deal? Considering that Fraisers ship just slightly bumping a nacelle would cause a warp core breach in TNG, I think you’re over thinking it
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Mar 27, 2021 17:21
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Kurzon posted:I got some more nitpicking on silly plot holes. In Undiscovered Country, once the Enterprise crew uncovers the conspiracy to sabotage the peace talks, why didn't they just send a quick message to Khitomer to warn them of a possible assassination attempt? I guess because they couldn't be sure who in Starfleet was part of Cartwright's people and if any message would even make it? On the point about the available space for people in a Galaxy class, I was going to make a snide comment about just using the holodecks to create a whole city for people to live in but now I'm curious if the holodeck has a max safety occupancy? Like did Worf's brother have to disable some safety protocols to bring all those refugees onto the Enterprise?
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Mar 27, 2021 17:41
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MikeJF posted:Shields deflect physical objects. If two objects with shields smash into each other they'll probably fzzzzzzzz until the weaker shield burns out. Word, I was struggling to remember if I'd seen ship-on-ship contact or stuff-hit-ship contact. The structural integrity fields thing also makes the Discovery's detached nacelles seem better than they already did. With Dicovery era tech, I wonder what is the largest ship they can build with the least physical material/framework/footprint. could someone have a tech backpack that when turned on generates them their own personal craft made of imperceivably thin chains of programmable nanomatter in the loose framework of a ship with whatever scifi tech integrity field stuff they got going on?
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Mar 27, 2021 17:43
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V-Men posted:I guess because they couldn't be sure who in Starfleet was part of Cartwright's people and if any message would even make it? Along those lines, how expensive or energy intensive is a holodeck? If it's not crazy high, why couldn't individual crew opt to have their own bedrooms be equipped with them. Seems like it would do wonders for people on long journeys to have a room that lets them visit their favourite places or sleep in an exact replica of wherever they sleep best in life. Screw falling asleep to the sound of a fan or watching TV, why not fall asleep listening to a flowing stream as you lay in a meadow with the sun warming your toes while the shade of a tree keeps your face cool and dozens of cute cartoon spiders weave you a perfect blanket of the finest silk? or whatever ideal sleep scenario you can dream of
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Mar 27, 2021 17:47
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A Jem'Hadar ship also kamikazes the Odyssey in "The Jem'Hadar".
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Mar 27, 2021 17:53
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I'd guess it's a kind of team cohesion thing - you want to give people the psychological sense of all living together in one place. Common ground and such. Probably if your species or your mindset *really* needs a certain environment for your quarters they'd go to considerable trouble to make sure you got it. The windows on the bottom of the ship aren't on the floors dang it. The gravity is fake! Those rooms are the other way up! People like windows! I wonder if it's really weird feeling taking a turbolift through gravity changes though.
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Mar 27, 2021 17:57
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There's that ship that gets it's nacelle yanked off as it was trying to go to warp in Lower Decks.
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Mar 27, 2021 17:58
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Nitrousoxide posted:I'm going to blow your mind here, but there's no gravity in space. They can arrange the gravity deck plating however they want. But, let's be real here, they never actually do. Kurzon posted:Has anyone watched this video that explains that the Enterprise D's crew of about 1,000 people is way too small for such a large ship? The typical aircraft carrier has a bigger crew than that and is much smaller than the Enterprise-D. But it's not too ridiculous if you think about it. Really, for spaceships you'd want to automate as many things as possible because it's a pain to keep human beings alive and healthy in a spaceship. Humans need food and water and air and entertainment whereas machines only require electricity. Remember how the Nostromo in Alien had only a half-dozen crewmen, who spent most of the journey in hibernation? That's what spaceship designers of the future will be aiming for. In one episode Geordi says that 90% of all ship functions are automated, which makes perfect sense to me. Hell, the crew number of ~1,000 isn't even all ship operations, that includes mission specialists and civilian auxiliaries.
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Mar 27, 2021 18:00
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Lord Hydronium posted:A Jem'Hadar ship also kamikazes the Odyssey in "The Jem'Hadar". Later on during the attack on DS9 at the end of season 5 there’s a shot of a small Cardassian ship losing control after getting hit and slamming into the shields around the core. No damage to the station and there’s not even a cut away to a reaction shot.
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