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Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Organ Fiend posted:

I have bad news for you about the other countries

What is the bad news about countries other than the United States?

# ? Mar 30, 2021 04:50

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# ? May 25, 2024 19:16

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSVQ1L0GuoQ

# ? Mar 30, 2021 04:52

Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

Nix Panicus posted:

^^^ Not a real thing. Frogs notice and jump out. Only people are that stupid. Amazing line from wikipedia:

Hahahaha woooooo that's even more depressing

comedyblissoption posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSVQ1L0GuoQ

Wait, that was Ted Cruz filming that?

If so, how the gently caress do you end up making Ted loving Cruz look like the good guy?

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:01

gandlethorpe: Aug 16, 2008

Clip-On Fedora posted:

If so, how the gently caress do you end up making Ted loving Cruz look like the good guy?

Never underestimate The Democrats!

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:04

Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

Clip-On Fedora posted:

Wait, that was Ted Cruz filming that?

If so, how the gently caress do you end up making Ted loving Cruz look like the good guy?

Did not see the Cruz redemption arc coming. The writers can't lean on Trump to carry the show anymore, so this 2021 season means exploring new angles on old characters.

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:04

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

Am I just looking at the media of the past through nostalgia tinted glasses? Were they always this bad and I was just too stupid to notice?

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:05

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

i am relying on ~anarchist~ chomsky and ex-spook william blum to assure me the american media has always been absolute garbage

listening to chomsky, there's always been a conservative and a liberal media

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:07

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

anyways i havent turned on msnbc but i assume the only news places youre really going to see a video of the concentration camps are places like breitbart, RT, and fox news lmao

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:08

readingatwork: Jan 8, 2009; Hello Fatty!; Fun Shoe

https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1376669658980450308?s=20

This tweet bugs the poo poo out of me because there's no contradiction between any of these flags in the context that they're being used. None

The snake flag isn't actually about the big bad state taking away ur freedoms. To them "the state" isn't the cops, the CIA or the military. It's those evil minorities and the poor who would use these tools to push through reforms which would negatively affect them in some way either through increased taxes, diminished power or decreased control over the culture. In their minds they (read: white people with money) ARE America and this new society that's come up in the wake of the civil war/the sexual revolution/the fight for civil rights/etc that shares money and power with their inferiors is something else that's eating the good America (the "real" America if you will) alive from the inside. A hostile force that must be defended against and destroyed if necessary. That's kind of what fascism ~is~. This person isn't stupid, they simply identify with those in power more than those they oppress. They know exactly what each flag means and people like this aren't accomplishing anything by cheekily pointing out that when you use THEIR definitions of these symbols there are contradictions because nobody gives a poo poo about other people's definitions.

Honestly I'm incredibly tired of this game people play where they try to get somebody to abandon their beliefs by pointing out hypocrisies or contradictions. The contradictions aren't actually there half the time (because liberals don't understand conservative thought as well as they think they do and vice/versa) and when they are nobody cares because most people don't try to fit their worldview into a single perfect coherent model of everything. Just explain why the underlying ideology is bad or fight them directly and get them kicked off of the local PTA board or whatever. This isn't that complicated.

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:12

Pobrecito: Jun 16, 2020; hasta que la muerte nos separe

incredibly weird that the same people that said $75k is the absolute most money you are allowed to make before you are too rich to deserve a stimmy check now want to uncap the SALT deduction that almost entirely benefits the extremely wealthy

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:14

Mayor Dave: Feb 20, 2009; Bernie the Snow Clown

comedyblissoption posted:

anyways i havent turned on msnbc but i assume the only news places youre really going to see a video of the concentration camps are places like breitbart, RT, and fox news lmao

today:

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:15

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Nix Panicus posted:

Am I just looking at the media of the past through nostalgia tinted glasses? Were they always this bad and I was just too stupid to notice?

This is the best explanation I've come across as to the phenomenon of the "liberal media" as still being juxtaposed against, and attacked by, the right-wing media, even as we on the left recognize that the liberal media is garbage, and even as we think there might have been a time when the liberal media was maybe "good".

From Michael Parenti:

quote:

THE LIMITS OF ORTHODOXY

If the mass media are owned by capitalists who can translate their financial dominance into control over media content, injecting that content with a bias against organized labor, antiwar protestors, socialists, communists, and sundry progressive causes, then why do businesspeople and conservatives repeatedly complain that the media suffer from a liberal bias? If economic and political elites control the press, why are they often distrustful of, and irritated by, what appears in it? And why do they find it necessary to exert suppressive measures against their own media? There are a number of contradictory tendencies that make the press less than absolutely compliant, introducing an element of indeterminacy and resistance that rouses conservative ire.

First, one reason deviancy occasionally peeks through an otherwise orthodox mainstream press is that ideological control is not formal and overt, but informal and implicit. Therefore it will work with imperfect effect. Dissenting information will sometimes slip through. For example, one evening in January 1985, on the NBC evening news, Tom Brokaw noted quickly, almost furtively, that corporations are today paying a substantially smaller portion of the nation�s income tax than five years ago. No elaboration, no pie charts, just a two-line news item that seemed to have been slipped in�a one-shot coverage never to be discussed further. Similarly the print media sometimes carry revealing items, buried in otherwise standard stories, exceptional things that are likely to go unnoticed�except to the closely critical reader�because of their poor placement and lack of projective framing. The presence of such nuggets scattered here and there in the mountains of dross is what enables critics of capitalism occasionally to draw damaging information from the capitalist media itself. When detected as deviancies, these items are usually suppressed. A staff member of a local early morning radio news program in Washington, D.C., pointed out to me, �Sometimes the seven o�clock morning edition will carry an item or two that has some real zip. These run because the station manager hasn�t arrived yet. They�re cut out of the eight o�clock edition because by then he�s at his post. ... I wouldn�t say it�s a regular occurrence, but it happens once in awhile.�

Second, sometimes editors run stories because they are unable to foresee their troublesome implications and unintended spin-offs. While the �blame-the-journalist� critics argue that distortions are caused by inadequate information and hasty preparation, I am suggesting there are times when haste and low information levels lead to greater revelations than would normally be allowed were reporters and editors better apprised of a story�s potentially discordant ideological effects. Even the best-informed newspeople cannot always anticipate the effects of their stories. A report on how a particular corporation is taking care of a toxic spill may be intended to show the firm�s socially responsible behavior and reassure the public, whereas it actually has the unintended but more accurate effect of revealing how big companies are poisoning the environment. Early news reports (1980-81) planted by the US government, about the growing effectiveness of guerrilla forces in El Salvador, while intending to alert the public to the emergence of a new communist menace, had the unintended effect of activating an anti-interventionist peace movement in the United States, causing officials in the Reagan administration to request that the press not give so much attention to the war in El Salvador.

Third, serious differences sometimes arise among politico-economic elites on how best to advance their common class interests. These differences will be reflected in the news media. Thus while remaining supportive of the president�s jingoist approach to the Gulf crisis of 1990-1991, the press gave space and time to such elite critics as former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, who called for a reliance on sanctions. To the extent such differences among elites are played out in the media, they add to the appearance�and substance�of diversity, if not on fundamental questions then on tactical ones.

Fourth, when the press has an enduring interest in an issue, it is likely to be less compliant than usual�as with the question of protecting the confidentiality of its sources. If reporters are unable to guarantee confidentiality, they run the risk of having their sources dry up. Another area of conflict between state and press arises when reporters are victimized by state violence. Reports of widespread brutality by police, army, and federal marshals against antiwar participants in the 1960s were so thoroughly suppressed by the major news organizations that on one occasion protesters had to buy a page in the New York Times, which they filled with eyewitness accounts of violent mistreatment by authorities.3 But the police riot against antiwar demonstrators in Chicago during the 1968 Democratic National Convention did make the news in a big way�mostly because of the deliberate acts of police violence against members of the press.

Likewise, the mass execution of young Nicaraguan males by Somoza�s national guard during the last days of his rule received little, if any, notice in the US media until ABC�s Bill Stewart was executed by guardsmen while covering the Nicaragua uprising. In the days that followed, the film of Stewart�s execution (taken by an American cameraperson standing a distance away) was played repeatedly on network news, and for the first time the American press also began mentioning that young Nicaraguans were being systematically murdered by the guard. The killing of foreign newspeople, as opposed to American journalists, is less likely to be accorded elaborate treatment. During the 1980s scores of foreign journalists were murdered or �disappeared� in Central America, but there was no discernible outcry in the American press. Had they been killed by leftist insurgents, they might have got more coverage.

Fifth, journalists who believe they are autonomous professionals expect to be able to report things as they see them. If the appearance of journalistic independence is violated too often and too blatantly by superiors, this can have a demystifying effect, reminding the staff that they are not working in a democratic institution but one controlled from the top with no regard for professional standards as they understand them. To avoid being criticized as censors and intrusive autocrats, publishers and network bosses sometimes grant their news organizations some modicum of independence, relying on hiring, firing, and promotional policies and more indirect controls. They might show themselves willing to make an occasional concession so as to minimize the amount of overt intrusion.

The idea of a free press is more a myth than a reality, but myths can have an effect on things and can serve as a resource of power. The power of a legitimating myth rests on its ability to be believed and not exposed as a sham. So at times superiors can be prevailed upon to make concessions.

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:16

Mayor Dave: Feb 20, 2009; Bernie the Snow Clown

here's the full section lmfao

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:16

readingatwork: Jan 8, 2009; Hello Fatty!; Fun Shoe

Nix Panicus posted:

Am I just looking at the media of the past through nostalgia tinted glasses? Were they always this bad and I was just too stupid to notice?

As the guy doing the revisit of the Bush years I can say confidently that the answer is an emphatic "yes". Though they used to be more polished and better at hiding it due to the internet not being a thing.

Hell, even way back after FDR passed the new deal like 80% of the media had a collective meltdown calling him a communist/terrorist/whatever. The US media has always been a sewer.

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:18

Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Did not see the Cruz redemption arc coming. The writers can't lean on Trump to carry the show anymore, so this 2021 season means exploring new angles on old characters.

No! gently caress this! This twist is bullshit! I am done with this show!

*Tries to change the channel but the same show is playing everywhere*

AAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:21

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

if ted cruz lost to beto, we wouldnt have that concentration camp video lmao

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:26

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

ted cruz beat every single "independent" and democratic member of the house and senate at exposing the horrific concentration camp conditions that weve known about for months with the sole exception of henry cuellar

ted cruz beat aoc. omar. tlaib. bernie. all of them.

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:29

readingatwork: Jan 8, 2009; Hello Fatty!; Fun Shoe

gradenko_2000 posted:

This is the best explanation I've come across as to the phenomenon of the "liberal media" as still being juxtaposed against, and attacked by, the right-wing media, even as we on the left recognize that the liberal media is garbage, and even as we think there might have been a time when the liberal media was maybe "good".

From Michael Parenti:

Also Democrats have become the party of stasis and protecting the status quo since the 70s which made them very popular with certain sections of the capitalist class including the media. As a result a ton of news coverage is basically just Democratic propaganda which pisses off conservatives.

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:30

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1376676675648389124
https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1376678602729787395

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfP7_2PeDfk

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:40

Tzen: Sep 11, 2001

Mayor Dave posted:

here's the full section lmfao

lol
No questions about covid at the presser, and now a blackout on the ted cruz video
lmao

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:54

Mirthless: Mar 27, 2011; by the sex ghost

readingatwork posted:

https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1376669658980450308?s=20

This tweet bugs the poo poo out of me because there's no contradiction between any of these flags in the context that they're being used. None

The snake flag isn't actually about the big bad state taking away ur freedoms. To them "the state" isn't the cops, the CIA or the military. It's those evil minorities and the poor who would use these tools to push through reforms which would negatively affect them in some way either through increased taxes, diminished power or decreased control over the culture. In their minds they (read: white people with money) ARE America and this new society that's come up in the wake of the civil war/the sexual revolution/the fight for civil rights/etc that shares money and power with their inferiors is something else that's eating the good America (the "real" America if you will) alive from the inside. A hostile force that must be defended against and destroyed if necessary. That's kind of what fascism ~is~. This person isn't stupid, they simply identify with those in power more than those they oppress. They know exactly what each flag means and people like this aren't accomplishing anything by cheekily pointing out that when you use THEIR definitions of these symbols there are contradictions because nobody gives a poo poo about other people's definitions.

Honestly I'm incredibly tired of this game people play where they try to get somebody to abandon their beliefs by pointing out hypocrisies or contradictions. The contradictions aren't actually there half the time (because liberals don't understand conservative thought as well as they think they do and vice/versa) and when they are nobody cares because most people don't try to fit their worldview into a single perfect coherent model of everything. Just explain why the underlying ideology is bad or fight them directly and get them kicked off of the local PTA board or whatever. This isn't that complicated.

Have you ever considered the other possibility, that people who fly these flags fly them to piss you off, specifically?

I mean, the racists are there, and the overlap between the racists and the spite demons is pretty much 1:1, but I don't think anyone would still be flying confederate flags or gadsdens or that tacky trump 2020 bullshit if it didn't piss off the guy on their block who thinks getting somebody kicked off the local PTA board matters and is a sick own

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:58

Tzen: Sep 11, 2001

Nix Panicus posted:

Am I just looking at the media of the past through nostalgia tinted glasses? Were they always this bad and I was just too stupid to notice?

Yes and yes and yes. No internet/social media meant a lot of this poo poo never got out in the first place. We were all ignorant at some point.

# ? Mar 30, 2021 05:58

UnknownTarget: Sep 5, 2019

Nothing better will come out of the USA.

1) Its people think they're more well-educated than they are. This leads lots of leftist movements into the ditch.

2) Politicians at this point are just trying to keep the power structure intact.

3) Corporations own everything.

Embrace the gridlock and give up hope, it will set you free.

# ? Mar 30, 2021 06:12

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

So the only time corporate news publishes anything of note its either an accident, off-sync messaging, or because someone slighted the news people personally and they're publishing in revenge. Cool. Cool cool cool cool

# ? Mar 30, 2021 06:22

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Mayor Dave posted:

here's the full section lmfao

Oh sweet mercy, I thought it had to be fake but it's real.

# ? Mar 30, 2021 06:48

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

Falstaff posted:

This is a while back, but...

i havent seen this one my mental image for the concept was the ice bucket challenge kelly that was edited to be about r mute and his isis thugs forcing innocent goons to read bad posts

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:18

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1376604297769725960

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:19

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/MayorsRace2021/status/1375503729504489473

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:23

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1376633357283561473

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:23

Paladin: Nov 26, 2004; You lost today, kid. But that doesn't mean you have to like it.

readingatwork posted:

Hell, even way back after FDR passed the new deal like 80% of the media had a collective meltdown calling him a communist/terrorist/whatever. The US media has always been a sewer.

Yeah I started going through old newspapers archived and google and it's funny how many anti-New Deal articles/letters to the editor sound like any "we can't have better things" list of talking points I've heard for the last 30 years.

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:29

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1376633357283561473

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:33

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

So is anything at all happening to Cuomo?

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:34

Mafic Rhyolite: Nov 7, 2020; by Hand Knit

I am having kind of a hard time not PMing some liberal psychopaths from D&D and just trying to figure out how they can live with themselves after instantly deciding that what the US runs no longer count as concentration camps the moment Trump was no longer in charge. It feels like it's impossible to still think that you're a good person in any way at all after such incredibly blatant disgusting poo poo like that, literal blue MAGA poo poo.

I wish there was a single admin who wasn't an apolitical computer toucher/football fan/small business owner or whatever the gently caress is wrong with them lol

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:39

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MayorsRace2021/status/1375503729504489473

Why does everything have to be so stupid?

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:41

Mirthless: Mar 27, 2011; by the sex ghost

Mafic Rhyolite posted:

I am having kind of a hard time not PMing some liberal psychopaths from D&D and just trying to figure out how they can live with themselves after instantly deciding that what the US runs no longer count as concentration camps the moment Trump was no longer in charge. It feels like it's impossible to still think that you're a good person in any way at all after such incredibly blatant disgusting poo poo like that, literal blue MAGA poo poo.

I wish there was a single admin who wasn't an apolitical computer toucher/football fan/small business owner or whatever the gently caress is wrong with them lol

when you are at the point where you are considering PMing people over the stupid things they say it's probably time to just log off

they are dumb but there is no reason to stoop to their level

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:42

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Mayor Dave posted:

here's the full section lmfao

isn't Talia Lavin one of those ~anti-fascist researchers~

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:42

Mafic Rhyolite: Nov 7, 2020; by Hand Knit

Mirthless posted:

when you are at the point where you are considering PMing people over the stupid things they say it's probably time to just log off

do you think I would be on this site at all if I had anything better to do

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:42

Crazypoops: Jul 17, 2017

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1376633357283561473

Jesus loving christ

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:44

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

i agree how despicably sexist of that source to describe kamala harris with the word hysterical

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:45

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# ? May 25, 2024 19:16

1stGear: Jan 16, 2010; Here's to the new us.

The last person who PMed a D&D superstar got accused of being a sexpest, so maybe don't. Just gawk at them. Occasionally post in USPOL to gloat about "Hey guys, how's voting for the rapist going?"

# ? Mar 30, 2021 07:46

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