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There's such an easy, cogent distinction between someone who is willing to kill if necessary, if the situation demands it, versus someone who kills by default or when there are other options at hand, and the fact that we have to explain this simple difference every time Snyder's characters do some murders feels very disingenuous.
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I didn't mind her doing that, but there is obviously a big difference between killing someone in the course of saving yourself and others, and executing someone who has ceased to be a threat. Edit: Beaten.
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Mar 31, 2021 11:24
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killing monsters is good
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Mar 31, 2021 12:02
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It is actually good that the thousands year old amazon warrior goddess unbound by human morality and law decided to execute the guy who wanted to blow up a neighbourhood, because that is exactly what I'd assume an ancient amazon warrior goddess, daughter of Zeus, would do. The fact that she does do stuff like that could also create some interesting ideological clashing with the rest of the justice league, which could be interesting
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Mar 31, 2021 12:05
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Karloff posted:I didn't mind her doing that, but there is obviously a big difference between killing someone in the course of saving yourself and others, and executing someone who has ceased to be a threat. Maybe. Who cares and why does it matter in this conversation?
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Mar 31, 2021 12:06
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Anyway, the guy clearly wanted to be blown up.
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Mar 31, 2021 12:09
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Necrothatcher posted:Anyway, the guy clearly wanted to be blown up.
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Mar 31, 2021 12:16
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Roth posted:There are many timelimes where Thanos is defeated but Iron Man just makes things worse anyway I unironically think that's the case. Dr Strange's win condition requires the infinity gauntlet be gotten rid of. The GotG crew defeating Thanos would have resulted in one of them holding the gauntlet, and that'll be bad.
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Mar 31, 2021 12:25
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Groot getting the gauntlet would be interesting
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Mar 31, 2021 12:31
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Alhazred posted:I just can't come over the schoolgirl who has been through a very traumatic situation (including watching a guy literally explode in front of her) and yet all she can think of is to set up an inspirational quote from Wonder Woman. This is a movie that's very casual about violence (Steppenwolf is maimed, sish kebabed and decapitated and the ones who does it shown afterwards). If there is a one percent chance a young hostage will see her captives get smashed to bits by Wonder Woman and think it's goddamn awesome, we have to take it as an absolute certainty.
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Mar 31, 2021 12:43
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Shirkelton posted:Maybe. Who cares and why does it matter in this conversation? Because people's dislike of that moment was being framed "people not liking the idea of WW killing at all" which was a strawman. People in fact didn't like WW executing a person. I was fine with WW doing it, but it's not illegitimate to discuss how violence is portrayed in the film and what it suggests.
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Mar 31, 2021 12:49
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Zzulu posted:It is actually good that the thousands year old amazon warrior goddess unbound by human morality and law decided to execute the guy who wanted to blow up a neighbourhood, because that is exactly what I'd assume an ancient amazon warrior goddess, daughter of Zeus, would do. The fact that she does do stuff like that could also create some interesting ideological clashing with the rest of the justice league, which could be interesting Problem is that in her movies her "unbound by human morality and law" is supposed to equate to "she holds herself to higher standards than that", not "she adheres to pre-modern views on justice".
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Mar 31, 2021 12:56
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antifascism is a higher standard than liberalism though!
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Mar 31, 2021 12:58
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i see, summary executions are the most woke
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Mar 31, 2021 12:59
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Zzulu posted:Groot getting the gauntlet would be
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Mar 31, 2021 13:35
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I have no idea where this impression of Diana being an amoral, post-human character comes from. It seems like a projection, or else people just weren't paying much attention to the film that was all about this character growing out of her juvenile, black-white notions of good and bad people and learning about how much more nuanced the human world is than her own fairy tale island, as evidenced by the climactic moment where she very pointedly does not execute a defeated opponent no matter how evil that person might be. I know that finale was messy but that was kind of an important moment for her, y'all. Again, having to explain justify these rudimentary concepts of morality whenever these issues come up is very tedious.
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Mar 31, 2021 13:39
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possibly people just have different ethical philosophies rather than, uh, not understanding rudimentary concepts of [your] morality
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Mar 31, 2021 13:53
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The evil doctor in WW was cowering in fear. The terrorist in JL, seeing everything that just happened and Wonder Woman waiting for his reaction, started loading another clip.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:25
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John Wick of Dogs posted:The evil doctor in WW was cowering in fear. So? He may as well have been wadding up a spitball.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:27
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Zzulu posted:The fact that she does do stuff like that could also create some interesting ideological clashing with the rest of the justice league, which could be interesting But that doesn't happen as the the rest of the Justice League is also okay with brutal executions, they even join in.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:33
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Monsters are fair game tbh (even if the distinction doesn't make sense when the monsters are basically just humans with horns) But I don't think Batman or Superman would be okay with the execution of the terrorist for example, so the scene could have been a cool one if she did something like that when they're present Zzulu fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 14:45
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BrianWilly posted:I have no idea where this impression of Diana being an amoral, post-human character comes from. It seems like a projection, or else people just weren't paying much attention to the film that was all about this character growing out of her juvenile, black-white notions of good and bad people and learning about how much more nuanced the human world is than her own fairy tale island, as evidenced by the climactic moment where she very pointedly does not execute a defeated opponent no matter how evil that person might be. I know that finale was messy but that was kind of an important moment for her, y'all. That is in one of her movies, which takes place in the 80's. In the other movie which takes place after this time, she is fine with killing her opposition and does it a fair number of times. If we are to assume these movies are connected at all, then if anything this shows us that she has come to the conclusion that killing off the enemy is actually good 
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Mar 31, 2021 14:49
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Zzulu posted:Monsters are fair game tbh (even if the distinction doesn't make sense when the monsters are basically just humans with horns) Batman would kill him if he was in the middle of firing to stop him. If he were reloading Batman would knock him out. Superman would kill him if he has his gun up to somebody's head and holding them hostage where he can't just jump in front of the bullet but he can superspeed into him before he can pull the trigger(but the resulting force would probably kill him) but wouldn't kill him otherwise. Bartman would tell him to not have a cow, man, and then the terrorist would shout "Why, you little!" and try to strangle him
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Zzulu posted:
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59 posts over night, must've been some big ne--
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I had a very strong reaction to Superman maiming Steppenwulf via heat vision, but then I realized that it could be read as him learning from his fight against the Kryptonians in MoS: you don't let up on an opponent that might be able to take you for a ride, especially when your job is to tank him while Cyborg is defusing a bomb.John Wick of Dogs posted:The terrorist in JL, seeing everything that just happened and Wonder Woman waiting for his reaction, started loading another clip. BrianWilly posted:it expects us to imagine that the Jonathan Kent it showed us, who spent nearly every moment onscreen down his dying breath trying to prevent his son from becoming a superhero, actually did want his son to become a superhero. Secretly. Deep down. In his heart. There's this air of "I don't know, I'm just doing my best". Because really, what do you do for a kid who can bend a steel post in a fit of anger? How do you get a child to process and understand rage? How do you communicate the very real burden that they deal with every day, being able to tear into someone effortlessly? FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 15:32
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So to sum up: Tony Stark killing dudes threatening to shoot hostages is Wrong & Bad. Diana killing dudes threatening to shoot hostages is Cool & Good. Glad we cleared that up.
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Mar 31, 2021 15:44
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I just remembered when WW killed Max Lord in the comics and everyone got super mad.  Anyways, the toxic part of the snyder fanbase has been review bombing godzilla vs kong since this last weekend.  leave the kaiju movies alone.
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Mar 31, 2021 15:49
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Yeah, those people are loving idiots and it's infuriating. As someone who is an even bigger kaiju fan than cape flicks I just wanted to scream.
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Sentinel Red posted:So to sum up: Tony Stark killing dudes threatening to shoot hostages is Wrong & Bad. Diana killing dudes threatening to shoot hostages is Cool & Good. I mean, that’s a very large (and, I suspect, deliberate) oversimplification. Nobody’s getting mad at Wonder Woman for killing the terrorists who were posing a clear and unavoidable threat to the innocent bystanders.
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Wait, why the hell are they review bombing Godzilla vs Kong? Spite against WB? Some perceived idea that people will watch Justice League instead of GvK in a way that won't actually make any more box office/revenue?
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Mar 31, 2021 16:13
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"punishment" for wb not announcing snyder as back in charge of the dcu
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Mar 31, 2021 16:16
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FilthyImp posted:Everytime Arist posts about snyderchat I imagine them wailing away at their keyboard looking just like their avatar. I have been intentionally staying out of arguments about these movies dude, don't make me some stupid boogeyman. Christ.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:18
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It was like a dozen crazy people. Dumb idiot people for sure but who knows what their motives were. “There are heroes on both sides.” Lol
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Mar 31, 2021 16:19
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Desperado Bones posted:I just remembered when WW killed Max Lord in the comics and everyone got super mad. ...But that's a Legendary production that's just distributed by WB. They even nearly sued them over the HBO Max move.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:24
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Also wtf those people should be down for Godzilla v Kong. poo poo looks dope. People are huge idiots all the time.
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Aphrodite posted:...But that's a Legendary production that's just distributed by WB. They even nearly sued them over the HBO Max move. I know! But like they said it's "punishment" for WB not continuing with the Snyder movies. There's probably a bunch of future HBO max movies that are gonna get the same review bombing .
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Mar 31, 2021 16:33
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There's also a bunch of review bombs of Justice League from a group of Godzilla vs Kong fans, and honestly looking at the screenshots from both I'm pretty sure all the review bombs for both movies are written by the same fuckin guy
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Have any of these fools actually considered whether Snyder wants to do more? Clearly he's got a bunch of projects on the back burner, if he's not interested are they gonna start harassing him.
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