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Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Rhyno posted:

What's the auto in the NDs like? I feel like when new car time comes back around the RF might be a viable option to but I think im over manuals.

Banging gears is the entire point of a little sports car.

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pastor of muppets
Aug 21, 2007

We were somewhere around the Living Hive, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

Now that I’m 100% WFH I’d been hemming and hawing about selling my Mazda6 that I no longer need (it’s a 2017 Touring, with a six-speed manual, so it’s a bit of a unicorn and I was terrified I’d regret selling it) but last weekend I got a wild hair up my rear end and traded in both it and my ND1 (that I’ve owned only a year, they gave me more than I paid for it on trade-in lmao) and upgraded to a ND2 RF.



It feels so bougie and frivolous, but man it makes me smile every time I look at it :3:

Bud
Oct 5, 2002

Quite Polite Like Walter Cronkite
As someone who actually enjoys the full roadster experience - I sold my hardtop last summer after 10 years - I know I'd never get an RF, but drat if I don't lust after everyone I see on the road.

Congrats!

My NB1 is back on the road minus AC & PS, the depowered rack is a new feeling, even after coming from a factory manual racked NA6. Engaging is the word that comes to mind.

Upgraded my reroute to a hardline after a few years of long floppy rad hose as well as new wheel bearings and extended studs all around. I have a feeling the steering is going to force me to reinstall my ultrasheild seat just for the bolster support.

Poster with the moldy NA - if you want it gone you could try pinging Phillymiataclub on IG - Sitha runs that account and I'd bet he'd snatch it up or find someone who would. Also SNS Parts (Alex) would come take it if he's headed up that way.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


^^ that's niiiiiiiice


I guess while I'm pulling the front end off my NB to weld the chassis rails I should take a look to find out where the mystery oil(?!) leak is coming from. At least this gives me the excuse to go back in and install a new water pump. They sent me the wrong one last year but I didn't have time to wait for them to send the right one. Dickheads.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Banging gears is the entire point of a little sports car.

I'm old now.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

I don't think they have adaptive cruise control either :v:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Olympic Mathlete posted:

^^ that's niiiiiiiice


I guess while I'm pulling the front end off my NB to weld the chassis rails I should take a look to find out where the mystery oil(?!) leak is coming from. At least this gives me the excuse to go back in and install a new water pump. They sent me the wrong one last year but I didn't have time to wait for them to send the right one. Dickheads.

Hey chassis rails buddy!



:laffo:

Not really something I want to do outside myself so I talked to a guy that specializes in going these and he offered a reasonable price, but as I couldn't reach him now I tried another shop that does Miata and they quoted me $1.5k lol. I don't think so! Hopefully nothing falls off until I can get this fixed with the first guy.

Since stuff is going to have to come out this is a perfect opportunity to also do the timing belt which is probably overdue (:iiam:) and maybe the clutch too since I've had the kit sitting around for a few years now.


Rhyno posted:

I'm old now.
That's no excuse!

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


mobby_6kl posted:

Hey chassis rails buddy!



:laffo:

Not really something I want to do outside myself so I talked to a guy that specializes in going these and he offered a reasonable price, but as I couldn't reach him now I tried another shop that does Miata and they quoted me $1.5k lol. I don't think so! Hopefully nothing falls off until I can get this fixed with the first guy.

I spoke to the MX5 Restorers at first I think, they wanted ~£750 to get them done but couldn't fit it in for 6 months so I took it off the road and left it to do myself. I'm just taking everything to bits now and they're actually less bad than I thought initially. I've hammered away at them with the claw side of a hammer and a section on each side of the car is fairly crusty but not too bad. I'm wondering what the inside is like considering most of the bolts have snapped like the undertray ones. Might treat it to nicer anti roll bar mounts as the stock ones are pretty thin.

Whole underside is a bit crusty and the offside rear arch needs hacking out but I've already got a nice shiny new one to weld back in. Hopefully this isn't too much of a nightmare but I've got some time off to get it done over Easter.

Russian Bear
Dec 26, 2007


Rhyno posted:

I'm old now.

I'd say if you're not after rowing your own gears, maybe a used Boxster/Cayman with a PDK an option to consider? Rather than a new RF.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Russian Bear posted:

I'd say if you're not after rowing your own gears, maybe a used Boxster/Cayman with a PDK an option to consider? Rather than a new RF.

That's probably way more than I'd want to spend. Hell I was aiming for a $15K car before we put my new purchase on hold so we could get something newer for my wife.

I'm really just spitballing. I was all hyped for a new vehicle and i pulled the rug out from under myself so now I'm just distracted by anything shiny.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Olympic Mathlete posted:

I spoke to the MX5 Restorers at first I think, they wanted ~£750 to get them done but couldn't fit it in for 6 months so I took it off the road and left it to do myself. I'm just taking everything to bits now and they're actually less bad than I thought initially. I've hammered away at them with the claw side of a hammer and a section on each side of the car is fairly crusty but not too bad. I'm wondering what the inside is like considering most of the bolts have snapped like the undertray ones. Might treat it to nicer anti roll bar mounts as the stock ones are pretty thin.

Whole underside is a bit crusty and the offside rear arch needs hacking out but I've already got a nice shiny new one to weld back in. Hopefully this isn't too much of a nightmare but I've got some time off to get it done over Easter.
No such luck here, there's a giant crack that you can see through the left wheel well. Is yours a mk2.5? Supposedly these are worse than the original NBs. Did you pull the engine or are you doing it with it in place?

Just managed to reach the guy, around $600 for them to pull the engine, weld in the new rails, paint and put everything back together. The first available slot is in July but eh, I'll just keep driving until then. I'm a cheap bastard but since they'd be able to do the clutch and timing belt with minimal extra labor, it's worth it to have it done properly. I'm happy to hack away at the Jazz beater myself but even though this isn't a garage queen, I woudln't trust myself to weld important pieces on it.


Rhyno posted:

That's probably way more than I'd want to spend. Hell I was aiming for a $15K car before we put my new purchase on hold so we could get something newer for my wife.

I'm really just spitballing. I was all hyped for a new vehicle and i pulled the rug out from under myself so now I'm just distracted by anything shiny.

You can certainly get a Cayman for around $15k, though PDKs might not be under the threshold yet but should be pretty close. It seems like the only decent option for a sportscar, a slushbox won't cut it unless it's just for cruising.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


mobby_6kl posted:

No such luck here, there's a giant crack that you can see through the left wheel well. Is yours a mk2.5? Supposedly these are worse than the original NBs. Did you pull the engine or are you doing it with it in place?

Just managed to reach the guy, around $600 for them to pull the engine, weld in the new rails, paint and put everything back together. The first available slot is in July but eh, I'll just keep driving until then. I'm a cheap bastard but since they'd be able to do the clutch and timing belt with minimal extra labor, it's worth it to have it done properly. I'm happy to hack away at the Jazz beater myself but even though this isn't a garage queen, I woudln't trust myself to weld important pieces on it.

$600 isn't a bad price at all to be fair, I'm going to be welding it as the engine sits in it so I'm having to pull apart the front end. I've noticed the front of the sill needs a patch too, mine came with the bolt on mudguards and I guess dirt and moisture got behind it and the arch lining. The car's 23 this year so I should probably expect a little rust!

Mine is a very early Mk2 which was apparently a dealer test car when the Mk2 launched. I'm the 3rd owner, the 2nd one kept it for 18 years. She was 70 when she part exchanged it for an SLK and it still smells like old lady perfume despite a good cleaning :v:

One thing I'm noticing taking it to bits is how much Mazda loved to use the very worst quality bolts that weld themselves in place. Going to try and replace as much of that as possible with nice stainless and grease the loving things.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Rhyno posted:

What's the auto in the NDs like? I feel like when new car time comes back around the RF might be a viable option to but I think im over manuals.

You'd like it. I had one as a loaner awhile back and found the flappy-paddle gearbox to be fun. I'd just leave it in sport mode 24/7, though.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

The skyactiv automatic transmission is pretty good, locks up early and doesn't really feel like a slush box at all most of the time.

Voltage
Sep 4, 2004

MALT LIQUOR!
The only really really good auto I've used was the new zf 8 speed in a new x3 RWD i rented - freakin fantastic and felt as quick as a dct with none of the downsides - I would imagine that everyone else is trying to clone that.

helno
Jun 19, 2003

hmm now were did I leave that plane
Thanks for the advice RE: Waterpump replacement.

Here is the Miata in question. 1990 180k km

best bale
Jul 4, 2007



Lipstick Apathy
Question was about na miata shocks, went with sensens. Accepting recommendations for bump stops.

best bale fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Mar 27, 2021

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


Got my summer wheels back on, and god drat, compared to the 18" wheels on my daily, dealing 16" 4-lug wheels is hilariously easy. Much love, car.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I'll probably swap the wheels too as soon as we're allowed to go farther than the supermarket. My AD08s are almost done though so I'll probably have to get new tires this year though. The choice really sucks though.

BTW, anyone knows where you can get these slippers?

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Mar 28, 2021

Applesnots
Oct 22, 2010

MERRY YOBMAS

mobby_6kl posted:

I'll probably swap the wheels too as soon as we're allowed to go farther than the supermarket. My AD08s are almost done though so I'll probably have to get new tires this year though. The choice really sucks though.

BTW, anyone knows where you can get these slippers?



I want those slippers.
My GF got me this shirt the other day for my birthday.

Applesnots
Oct 22, 2010

MERRY YOBMAS

Just got this made today for the mismatch black trunk lid. I think it fits

iv46vi
Apr 2, 2010

Applesnots posted:

Just got this made today for the mismatch black trunk lid. I think it fits


Nice.

Wish you can get a couple of cannon muzzles poking out from the pop up lights when you turn them on.

Russian Bear
Dec 26, 2007


Not a ton of space for your booty.

Applesnots
Oct 22, 2010

MERRY YOBMAS

Russian Bear posted:

Not a ton of space for your booty.

Yeah, I have Hank Hill booty.

Thom ZombieForm
Oct 29, 2010

I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
I am eyeing a flyin Miata sway bar for the nd2- looks like an involved, stressful install so found a shop that should have the skills. As a car noob who has never altered their vehicle, are there any trip reports from goons on the sway bar addition? I am probably only going to be on the streets in the short term future, but can perceive the rolly nature of the stock nd. Why is this considered “playful” for the streets? Will. A sway bar reduce “playfullness”? I don’t understand how having the car be more compliant would reduce the road experience, then again I’ve never driven an aftermarket sway barred car

Thom ZombieForm fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Mar 30, 2021

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
I'm curious as to what you ordered because "strut bar" doesn't show up on Flyin Miata's website at all.

Thom ZombieForm
Oct 29, 2010

I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
Long day, meant to put sway bar* lol

edit: https://www.flyinmiata.com/ND/nd-flyin-miata-sway-bars.html

Thom ZombieForm fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Mar 30, 2021

Virgil Vox
Dec 8, 2009

Thom ZombieForm posted:

I am eyeing a flyin Miata sway bar for the nd2- looks like an involved, stressful install so found a shop that should have the skills. As a car noob who has never altered their vehicle, are there any trip reports from goons on the sway bar addition? I am probably only going to be on the streets in the short term future, but can perceive the rolly nature of the stock nd. Why is this considered “playful” for the streets? Will. A sway bar reduce “playfullness”? I don’t understand how having the car be more compliant would reduce the road experience, then again I’ve never driven an aftermarket sway barred car

The front sway bar is a beast to install, if you don’t have much wrenching experience taking it elsewhere would certainly save the pain. It will level your car out in turns making it seem like it’s responding to your turning inputs faster.

Thom ZombieForm
Oct 29, 2010

I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive

Virgil Vox posted:

The front sway bar is a beast to install, if you don’t have much wrenching experience taking it elsewhere would certainly save the pain. It will level your car out in turns making it seem like it’s responding to your turning inputs faster.

Thanks, I watched the ~30 min explanation of sway bars on the FM site (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYaoDgMCmtc) so have a better understanding now. Looks like they also are selling a reinforcement kit for the front sway bar, as I guess there's a potential to rip the sway bars off the frame with heavy use on the ND... (https://www.flyinmiata.com/ND/sway-bar-reinforcement-kit-front-nd-2016-reinforces-factory-mounting.html). - The 2020 model is not even listed as a "Designed for" field so I'll email them about it I guess.

Virgil Vox
Dec 8, 2009

Thom ZombieForm posted:

Thanks, I watched the ~30 min explanation of sway bars on the FM site (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYaoDgMCmtc) so have a better understanding now. Looks like they also are selling a reinforcement kit for the front sway bar, as I guess there's a potential to rip the sway bars off the frame with heavy use on the ND... (https://www.flyinmiata.com/ND/sway-bar-reinforcement-kit-front-nd-2016-reinforces-factory-mounting.html). - The 2020 model is not even listed as a "Designed for" field so I'll email them about it I guess.

I believe I read on the Miata.net forums that the only times that’s happened is with the karcepts bar on full stiff. (Of course this is just what people are posting so ymmv) Unless your running r tires and doing insane track days or auto x I wouldn’t worry much about it.

Thom ZombieForm
Oct 29, 2010

I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive

Virgil Vox posted:

I believe I read on the Miata.net forums that the only times that’s happened is with the karcepts bar on full stiff. (Of course this is just what people are posting so ymmv) Unless your running r tires and doing insane track days or auto x I wouldn’t worry much about it.

Thanks- what are r tires? That’s a tough google for me

e: quoted 700 for 5 hours labor on sway bar install, definitely seems worth it as the guy has done them before and has a prime reputation

Thom ZombieForm fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Mar 31, 2021

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this

Applesnots posted:

Just got this made today for the mismatch black trunk lid. I think it fits


This is great!

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

Thom ZombieForm posted:

Thanks- what are r tires? That’s a tough google for me

R-compound tires are race rubber. They're pretty sticky.

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




Thom ZombieForm posted:

e: quoted 700 for 5 hours labor on sway bar install, definitely seems worth it as the guy has done them before and has a prime reputation

Five hours for a front swaybar on a miata?

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...
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:laugh:

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

Seven hundred dollars to fit an arb?!??!!!!

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


I was gonna say, unless the ND is HUGELY different underneath that's a crazy over the top estimate. I'm obviously in the wrong industry if that's a standard price.

Hikaki
Oct 11, 2005
Motherfucking Fujitsu Heavy Industries
My understanding for the ND is that stiffer springs were the way to go if you want less body roll. The factory bilsteins are okay but the springs are absurdly soft. They should be cheaper to install and will avoid upsetting the car the way a sway bar might over rough road. I haven't touched my suspension yet though so maybe I'm talking out my rear end.

Olympic Mathlete posted:

I was gonna say, unless the ND is HUGELY different underneath that's a crazy over the top estimate. I'm obviously in the wrong industry if that's a standard price.

The service manual says you have to drop the front crossmember to do it so I can believe that estimate. I don't know if there's a cheaty way to do it; for example, the R56 Mini requires dropping the rear subframe to change the sway bar but I found a mechanic that was able to bend the subframe enough to squeeze the bar out.

Hikaki fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Mar 31, 2021

Ror
Oct 21, 2010

😸Everything's 🗞️ purrfect!💯🤟


If you're willing to spend $700 on a front sway bar you might as well get the Karcepts bar and install it yourself. It's stupid expensive but it's one of the best and comes apart so it's easy to install.

I actually held off on sways for my ND and just did coilovers first and I'm very happy at the body roll reduction along with other handling improvements. I'm not sure I need my car any flatter or more laterally connected on the road so I'm sticking with OEM sways for now. If the body roll is literally the only aspect of the handling you care about then sways might be a good choice but if you care about any of the non-lateral handling characteristics and/or might want your overall suspension lower or stiffer, I would consider springs (and maybe shocks) or coilovers before sways.

Ror fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Mar 31, 2021

Virgil Vox
Dec 8, 2009

Springs will usually put you in an entire different auto x (and other motorsport) class but changing the front sway is a good way to stay in the stock classes; I think that's why a lot of people go with the sway-bar. Also if you want to keep your ride height I don't think springs would be the answer. They could give you a harsher ride as well.

If you go the DIY route this is a great guide: https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=709333 , I used this but couldn't manage to fish the bar (flyin miata) through so I loosened the radiator support brackets to give me like a 1/2" more clearance.

The Karcepts bar is easy to put in being straight but it will squeak and make noise, I think it would be a little overkill unless you trailer your car to events.

Virgil Vox fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Mar 31, 2021

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BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
I had Karcepts bars in my S2000, they were absurdly nice but I would probably not recommend them for someone that just wants a stiffer front bar and just street drives it.

The insanely stiff front bars people run are specifically meant for autocross to help transition speed, stop lifting rear tires, and deal with other rule issues they've got going on.

BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Mar 31, 2021

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