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I've been bouncing off hard of most games currently, but I got supremely suckered back in by this and I'm just having a great old time replaying this. I already did 2 solid playthroughs and yet I still find so many new things. This might also be the only game I have spontaneous gut laughs with, like, ever. It's just so good.
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Leon Sumbitches posted:Has anyone written analysis of the themes and messages of DE? It's staggeringly dense with views on a wide variety of subjects, but with the way dialogue trees change based on your build, it seems just a slice is available via any given playthrough. I often find myself recommending what scott benson said about the game (here, bottom of page) as far as brief but on point meditations go. There were also some good longform reflections about the game, it's been a while but if memory serves this is quite nice
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Apr 3, 2021 20:01
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Every time I reach the top of the furnace chimney I'm struck by a terrible sense of melancholy. The music and the truth of the curse always do me in.
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Apr 3, 2021 20:11
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My playthrough is partially bugged. The car in the ice is a weird color and I go through the waiting with Kim, but when I try to interact with it again it just starts the whole sequence over. Can't get the stuff out of it 
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Apr 3, 2021 21:05
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SubponticatePoster posted:My playthrough is partially bugged. The car in the ice is a weird color and I go through the waiting with Kim, but when I try to interact with it again it just starts the whole sequence over. Can't get the stuff out of it That seems to be pretty common on consoles from all my troubleshooting this week. I currently have a weird bug were the door to the kitchen in the Whirling in Rags is open early and I can go in, but the room doesn't light up. I can even talk to the cook early!
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Apr 3, 2021 21:23
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nurmie posted:I was super impressed by the scab leader voice acting actually - he's got this air of sort of monotonous, robotic menace to him that just wasn't really there before (supposedly on account of being voiced by a podcast dweeb lol). Like he now actually sounds like a guy who likes killing people, and does a fairly terrible job at hiding it. Can't wait to hear all the hosed-up war stories and the Tribunal shenanigans fully voice acted. He's taking a bit of getting used to for me, but I haven't got to that later stuff yet. I imagine though that even once I do get to really appreciate his new voice, I will still always miss Hearing the serious tribunal lines like "Welcome to the loving reckoning!" in that dorky original voice, haha. Overall though I am loving all the voices, (even though I do still miss OG Cuno) and even if it's taking me forever to play through the game now, it's fun to have such a leisurely playthrough and really take the time to appreciate random lines. Like while I was asking Joyce for money, I unexpectedly laughed out loud for real when it worked and Suggestion chimed in all, "You should ask for more! Toot toot, train to Money town!"
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Apr 3, 2021 21:35
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Shoehead posted:That seems to be pretty common on consoles from all my troubleshooting this week. I currently have a weird bug were the door to the kitchen in the Whirling in Rags is open early and I can go in, but the room doesn't light up. I can even talk to the cook early!  e: looks like they're aware and a patch is incoming, no date though. SubponticatePoster fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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Apr 3, 2021 21:50
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Leon Sumbitches posted:Has anyone written analysis of the themes and messages of DE? It's staggeringly dense with views on a wide variety of subjects, but with the way dialogue trees change based on your build, it seems just a slice is available via any given playthrough. exceptional game critic noah caldwell-gervais made a pretty lengthy video on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_7ngJDbUQE
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1) I think I locked myself out of learning Measurehead's theory and my skills are too low to punch him or jump on the roof. Is there some other way to get to the harbour or do I just need to level up? 2) How do I get to the Whirling's roof? 3) How can I open locked doors? I already have a prybar and the other thingie from the car but I can't get any of these to work (I opened a container with the prybar, I only have problem with doors)
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Apr 3, 2021 21:56
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macabresca posted:1) I think I locked myself out of learning Measurehead's theory and my skills are too low to punch him or jump on the roof. Is there some other way to get to the harbour or do I just need to level up? 2) By interacting with a certain character 3) Prybars don't work on doors, you'll have to find a key or have someone let you in. The prybar's description is a bit misleading that way.
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macabresca posted:1) I think I locked myself out of learning Measurehead's theory and my skills are too low to punch him or jump on the roof. Is there some other way to get to the harbour or do I just need to level up? Yeah, you can just level up and try again (and again), I needed three attempts to make the jump in this run, and in my first run I messed around and didn't get the body down until the second day. It's all good.
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SubponticatePoster posted:1) Not exactly sure what you mean, if you don't have any available spaces in your Thought Cabinet, you can either forget something you've learned or buy new slots with skill points. I mean I listened to his ramblings and when I got to the moment when he was about to give me the thought I opted out because Kim mentioned there was another way. I failed other checks so I came back but apparently it was a one-time only opportunity. Randarkman posted:Yeah, you can just level up and try again (and again), I needed three attempts to make the jump in this run, and in my first run I messed around and didn't get the body down until the second day. It's all good. I'm already on my second day, this poor body is going to hang there until the end of times macabresca fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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Starting out on the ultraliberalism vision quest now and it honestly seems to have a decent amount of synergy with Art Cop (which I went for again this time) and Conceptualization, at least starting out. It actually seems to fit my weird charater build somewhat well, 1 INT but Conceptualization as signature skill (and raised higher through drugs and items).
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SubponticatePoster posted:My playthrough is partially bugged. The car in the ice is a weird color and I go through the waiting with Kim, but when I try to interact with it again it just starts the whole sequence over. Can't get the stuff out of it Same here. I also can't interact with the sandcastle even after speaking with Lilly multiple times. Am I missing something or is that glitching too? I'm absolutely loving the game but between these and the frequent crashes I might have to put it on pause until it gets patched.
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Yeah I can't access the sandcastle either and looking at the trophy list shows that 0% of people have the achievement for getting the full set of armor, I think it's just broken right now E: also broken for me - the experiment in the church after you get the kids to share the space with the programmer. A cutscene starts and just doesn't end, can't even pause it or anything. I really wanted to see how that played out! Hirsute fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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Apr 3, 2021 22:36
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Captain_Person posted:Same here. I also can't interact with the sandcastle even after speaking with Lilly multiple times. Am I missing something or is that glitching too? Probably for the best, to be honest.
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RubberLuffy posted:It really ultimately felt like a takedown of people who subscribe to Communist ideology but don't want to put any effort into putting it into practice, as well as gatekeeping it from people who aren't reading enough or the "correct" theory. Spoken like someone who hasn't read any Kautsky  .
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The ultraliberalism vision quest is pretty great.
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Apr 3, 2021 23:42
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RubberLuffy posted:I can do my best for the Communism one, as I'm like 99% sure it was the vision quest. It wasn't as wild as what I read about the fascism one upthread, but it has some interesting stuff. Also note it's been like 2 days since I did it and it was a lot of reading so some of the details are fuzzy Sounds like somebody had their moment of weakness and refused to split from the revisionists. Smdh
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Randarkman posted:The ultraliberalism vision quest is pretty great. So is doing that how you get to talk to Sileng about net worth? e: vv I'm just curious because I haven't picked any ultra options at all and one of my motorics skills keeps chiming in about it lol. UnknownMercenary fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Apr 4, 2021 |
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UnknownMercenary posted:So is doing that how you get to talk to Sileng about net worth? I'll make a short post about it when I'm done. I've been grabbing screenshots.
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I know there's been a general consensus of people not particularly loving some of the new voices but drat the Scab Leader's new VO is fantastic sounding to me. I got the option to call him out on being in Krenel, and then to show him the photo of the corpse's tattoos and I think the menace in his voice really sold the character as someone Not To Be hosed With way more than in my original playthrough. Overall I think it was a great move recasting the chapo folks. I do miss old Cuno and old Lena but I think the new VOs still do a great job. Kim and Measurehead continue to be the best voiced characters in the game, however.
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I'll admit I really miss Christman as Hardy...his faltering yet insistent defiance that wilted under more direct questioning but never veered from the core of looking out for the people important to himself and union was really well portrayed by his mix of being awkward and aggressive, something that doesn't really feel like it carries over into his more "in on it" redneck drawl every other VA change has been neutral or an improvement imho, at lease that I've run into
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I played this once pre-Final Cut as a sort of himbo harry(1/1/5/5 - all motorics/phys, no psych or intelligence skills at the start, highly recommend everyone do this at least once if only to be constantly horrified/amused at electrochemistry going off about sex and drugs). Playing basically the opposite this time and let me tell you, having your first interaction with The Necktie be fully voice acted is an experience. I'm only partway through day 1 and so far the voices have been fine, although I turned off the narrator/skill voices pretty quickly. They weren't bad but I found them more distracting than anything. Having full Kim voice acting is great, though. :allear:
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Haifisch posted:I played this once pre-Final Cut as a sort of himbo harry(1/1/5/5 - all motorics/phys, no psych or intelligence skills at the start, highly recommend everyone do this at least once if only to be constantly horrified/amused at electrochemistry going off about sex and drugs). Playing basically the opposite this time and let me tell you, having your first interaction with The Necktie be fully voice acted is an experience. My current run is the himbo Harry run with those exact stats (except I'm a Superstar Cop so I pumped up Visual Calculus a bunch because the idea of making him a crimescene savant appeals to me). I miss my necktie friend.
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Epic High Five posted:I'll admit I really miss Christman as Hardy...his faltering yet insistent defiance that wilted under more direct questioning but never veered from the core of looking out for the people important to himself and union was really well portrayed by his mix of being awkward and aggressive, something that doesn't really feel like it carries over into his more "in on it" redneck drawl Other than Will I think all the Chapos/Dasha nailed their VA and i miss them already. Cunew also sucks. In regards to the last page I always felt arresting Klassje is one of the most ultralib dipshit acts you could possibly pull.
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weekly font posted:In regards to the last page I always felt arresting Klassje is one of the most ultralib dipshit acts you could possibly pull. You're confusing ultraliberlism with moralism here. Ultraliberalism is all about the hustle. I love how the ideology thoughts (at least ultraliberalism and communism, haven't tried the other two) have this feedback loop effect to them that rewards you for spouting your beliefs. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Apr 4, 2021 |
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Epic High Five posted:I'll admit I really miss Christman as Hardy...his faltering yet insistent defiance that wilted under more direct questioning but never veered from the core of looking out for the people important to himself and union was really well portrayed by his mix of being awkward and aggressive, something that doesn't really feel like it carries over into his more "in on it" redneck drawl yeah im not sure it was intentional or just a lucky side-effect of christmans VA but it really came across as a perfect fit for the role
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Epic High Five posted:I'll admit I really miss Christman as Hardy...his faltering yet insistent defiance that wilted under more direct questioning but never veered from the core of looking out for the people important to himself and union was really well portrayed by his mix of being awkward and aggressive, something that doesn't really feel like it carries over into his more "in on it" redneck drawl I think I could get used to the new Titus voice more easily if it wasn't so quiet. His voice clips are just unnaturally low volume compared to everyone else, almost seems like a bug. Then when I'm already straining to hear him he talks so unbearably slow, he's driving me nuts 
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weekly font posted:Other than Will I think all the Chapos/Dasha nailed their VA and i miss them already. Cunew also sucks. There's an argument that arresting Klaasje is the only way to get her to stop throwing other people under the bus to save her own skin, I mean, if she hadn't orchestrated the whole fake hanging thing there likely would be quite a few more Hardie Boys alive. She's an extremely dangerous person. I agree that this doesn't mean she should be put to death, but I can see how someone might consider arresting her preferable to letting her move on to the next city to possibly do this whole thing again. Also yeah Cunew is an unfortunate pale imitation of Cuno. I also noticed that for VAs that stayed the same, there seemed to be a big difference in their original recordings vs. the new ones? Like it seemed like they kept the old lines in and then just added freshly recorded new ones on top, leading to a few characters sounding like their accents changed a little from their intro lines to their main dialogue.
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OTOH something was always going to happen because Evrart needed it to
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The new Scab Leader VA really sells it when you ask him about the photo 
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weekly font posted:In regards to the last page I always felt arresting Klassje is one of the most ultralib dipshit acts you could possibly pull.
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cock hero flux posted:I know it's very easy to romanticize her for having hosed over corporate interests to the point where they're actively trying to kill her, but you have to actually look at who she actually is. She isn't a revolutionary striking a blow for the working man. She stole a treasure from the dragon's hoard and now that it's chasing her she's throwing innocent people into its jaws to slow it down. That's her role in everything. There is no escape for her. As long as she keeps running she'll be orchestrating things so that unwitting people die to cover for her. Does she deserve to die for having cost some rich people some money? No, but she's going to eventually. The people she destroys don't buy her freedom, they only buy her time. Arresting her doesn't kill her, she got herself killed a long time ago. It only lets her own decisions catch up with her. arresting her vs letting her go is one thing, but condemning klassje means condemning harry which means missing the entire point of the game un jour je serai de retour pres de toi
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The main thing the klassje convo always reveals is how much cop brain people have and how deeply. It sucks
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Epic High Five posted:I'll admit I really miss Christman as Hardy...his faltering yet insistent defiance that wilted under more direct questioning but never veered from the core of looking out for the people important to himself and union was really well portrayed by his mix of being awkward and aggressive, something that doesn't really feel like it carries over into his more "in on it" redneck drawl Yeah, definitely. Although I think they kept the chapo girl - Klaasje’s va hasn’t changed has it?
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a fatguy baldspot posted:Yeah, definitely. Although I think they kept the chapo girl - Klaasje’s va hasn’t changed has it? She's recast. No Mods No Masters posted:The main thing the klassje convo always reveals is how much cop brain people have and how deeply. It sucks Sounds like someone who hasn't told anyone they are THE LAW e: Goddamnit, another soft lock Routing Soona's signal through egghead's speakers. In general I've had this happen in dialogues when some sort of action needs to happen before the "continue" button can appear, it appears it can get stuck on that and the button will never appear. It's a bit frustrating, so far reloading and trying again has worked (which has instilled in me an instinct to quicksave before most conversations). But this is the third time I've had this happen on this scene now.  Randarkman fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Apr 4, 2021 |
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The thing about klassje is her history has nothing to do with what actually happened to lely. She is innocent in that sense. Does her actions afterwards have repercussions? Yes. Does she deserve to die because of it? I don’t think so, and I don’t think this exact scenario is gunna happen to her again either.
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Randarkman posted:She's recast. This happened to me too, in several other places. Still can't finish the dream on the island.
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RubberLuffy posted:I can do my best for the Communism one, as I'm like 99% sure it was the vision quest. It wasn't as wild as what I read about the fascism one upthread, but it has some interesting stuff. Also note it's been like 2 days since I did it and it was a lot of reading so some of the details are fuzzy. lmao, posting on c-spam: the vision quest
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