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ronya posted:Corbyn could play more-cops-than-the-Tories-honest and the party left tolerated it because they assumed he doesn't really mean it - but Starmer can't play the same game I don't think the first part of your argument is congruous with the rest. I tolerated Corbyn increasing the pay and numbers of police because the context was one of wider social and party reforms - I can accept it as a compromise on the condition that the 2017 Labour party could've meaningfully opposed it if it was an absolute failure, which was unlikely when it stood next to policies that do actually increase social cohesion. I did believe he was honestly describing his intent because it was so clear there was an actual plan to address actual problems, not in spite of this. Maybe I've been lib-poisoned by rewatching the wire, but I'm even a little interested in getting some good data on how better paid and trained staff affect conviction rates (which, of course, decrease all crimes with the decreased expectation of escaping consequences). The signalling changes the standard because my demands of a parliamentary party are otherwise met. With the agency man in charge I've only been disappointed by constant signalling that Keef really is a hateful little berk who is ok with protest laws and agency protections that rival those of Orban. When you repeatedly trample on so many of the moral foundations of millions of people, you do not get to ask for trust. So I agree with you on differing standards, but those standards are earnt, not purely reactionary or spiteful. I was asking ITT about whether Starmer would make an ok leader when he managed to come across as sensible company man during Shadow Brexit talks. I put him second in the leadership election. The first big Oh No moment was BLM, and I quit the party over spycops because members of my family have been tortured in the maze. It's not something I can possibly condone equivocating or triangulating on. I can also agree and understand that Corbyn wasn't ever going to win over people who think having a chat with the IRA is evil, but that didn't impact my thoughts on more cops because I don't give a gently caress about those people or what they want. This is not a team sport, and history says little positive about politicians and parties that simply refuse to have principles. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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Dabir posted:Sorry, "the maze"? Not heard that one before. HM prison maze/long kesh/H blocks in ireland they'll put you away in the maze in england they'll keep you for seven long days god help you if ever you're caught on these shores the coppers need someone and walk through that door
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BalloonFish posted:enforce 64 pronouns on everyone, dissolve the Army, ban football and give Muslim immigrants free broadband  BalloonFish posted:Ignore The Will Of The People About Brexit, Give Free Broadband To Everyone and Let All The Illegals In Though I think if we allocate more money to processing power, we can achieve 128 pronouns this side of 2030
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Dabir posted:still not really following, sorry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Maze
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Apr 6, 2021 09:02
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It's funny how there's a generational/cultural divide where on one hand the bobbies are good uns who stand between Britain and barbarism (and at worst once a decade you fire some bad apples who slipped through) and on the other hand the plod are merely the biggest gang on the block who will absolutely wreck your poo poo for no good reason. It's extremely funny how the first group are disproportionately Starmerites.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Dabir posted:still not really following, sorry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Maze It was a prison on an old RAF base in NI (mostly) used for holding terrorist/paramilitary prisoners during the Troubles.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Maze I was very disappointed to eventually learn that the Maze wasn't the inescapable labyrinth filled with traps that I'd assumed it was when I heard it mentioned on the news when I was a kid.
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Gerry Adams seen here recently modelling his new designer range of T shirts for The Maze.  https://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/t-shirts/ Note: Also in shot - the Xmas lights that led to perhaps the greatest Northern Ireland tweet of all time
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Dabir posted:still not really following, sorry guantanamo bay for white people smellmycheese posted:Gerry Adams seen here recently modelling his new designer range of T shirts for The Maze. loving hell lmao
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Necrothatcher posted:I was very disappointed to eventually learn that the Maze wasn't the inescapable labyrinth filled with traps that I'd assumed it was when I heard it mentioned on the news when I was a kid. The real maze is the friends we made along the way.
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Spangly A posted:guantanamo bay for white people Big Gerry is all about the merch these days https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/20/gerry-adams-unveils-irish-unity-themed-easter-egg
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quote:In October 2019, the European Union withdrew £18m that had been approved to develop a peace centre, due to disagreements between Sinn Féin and the Democratic Unionist Party. This is a good example of how NI governance works. If it benefits the other side a bit, even if given a free 18 mill for the locality, no nope can't allow that.
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happyhippy posted:This is a good example of how NI governance works. I’ve lived here for three years now and the biggest example of this sort of thing to me is the fact that the main road from Belfast to Dublin isn’t just not a motorway, it’s a lethal deathtrap. People die unnecessarily on it month after month. Plenty of other motorways in NI, and as soon as you cross the border into the republic the road becomes a nice safe motorway with sliproads and marked exits. But all the way from Belfast to the (non)border it is a horror show of tractors pulling out of sideroads into 70mph traffic, vehicles driving right across both carriageways, no lighting, and no warning signs. It is an absolute metaphor for the state of the place. The only reason it isn’t a motorway is politicians deliberately not wanting to connect belfast and Dublin properly.
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Grammarchist posted:Does the UK have a sustained trend of voters really liking left-wing economic policies, but increasingly refusing to vote for left-wing parties? Because here in the states we've made a tradition of voting in left-wing policies via referendums while also electing Republicans on the same ballot that then go on to kill those policies. While that is a bit of a thing, it's also really important to remember that the current Labour Party doesn't believe in those policies either.
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I'm genuinely shocked at the lack of edit wars on that wikipedia page. The article on silicone has more controversy.
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They say these days, if you say you're Irish, you'll be arrested and thrown in the Maze. It's an actual maze, and Keir is the Minotaur at the centre (where he's most comfortable)
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Can anyone understand what they’re actually proposing or not proposing on vaccine passports? I’ll be honest if I haven’t been offered a vaccine and reopening becomes reopening for Boomers only I might sign up for a riot.
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It's not just that he's bloating like crazy, it's that he seems to be animorphing specifically into Boris Johnson. Kirby Starmer
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Failed Imagineer posted:It's an actual maze, and Keir is the Minotaur at the centre (where he's most comfortable) 
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Failed Imagineer posted:It's not just that he's bloating like crazy, it's that he seems to be animorphing specifically into Boris Johnson. Kirby Starmer Oh god its true. Maybe that's his plan - become indistinguishable from the current PM in every way with the end goal of secretly replacing him.
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Is this going to be like Charles Kennedy, where after and only after he stepped down as Lib Dem leader, did all the journalists say: "Oh yes, we all knew he had a massive drinking problem, we just never said anything."
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Pistol_Pete posted:Is this going to be like Charles Kennedy, where after and only after he stepped down as Lib Dem leader, did all the journalists say: "Oh yes, we all knew he had a massive drinking problem, we just never said anything." didn't he have that photo recently with a bottle of whiskey on each side of the table, like everyone else who doesnt day drink at work? fuk wit a lefty u get da hefty
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'Cos when I see Starmer getting interviewed these days, he always seems to have that nervous, put-upon, oh-god-i-can't-handle-this expression that someone at work gets, when they've got a bad hangover and a colleague approaches them with an urgent and difficult problem.
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I mean the first photo was taken with TV studio makeup applied in a world where haircuts and getting a tan on holiday existed.
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Spangly A posted:didn't he have that photo recently with a bottle of whiskey on each side of the table, like everyone else who doesnt day drink at work? Well, rearraging my zoom call background right now.
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I've said this before but I genuinely think he's unwell. I hope he doesn't have alcoholism because it's a loving awful disease but it definitely does look like it.
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Reminds me of the hungover teacher in that old Molesworth cartoon:
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You’ve mostly all got British genes, I refuse to believe I’m the only person that gets awful rosacea over winter that largely vanishes with a few days of sun.
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I'm sorry but I must post this https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1378438928856932359?s=20
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peanut- posted:I mean the first photo was taken with TV studio makeup applied in a world where haircuts and getting a tan on holiday existed. Yeah, but I don't think even studio makeup can give you visible cheekbones when you don't otherwise have them.
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smellmycheese posted:I’ve lived here for three years now and the biggest example of this sort of thing to me is the fact that the main road from Belfast to Dublin isn’t just not a motorway, it’s a lethal deathtrap. People die unnecessarily on it month after month. Infrastructure was always used as a weapon. The M1/A4/A5 was meant to link Londonderry/Derry to Belfast to help transport quicker and easier. They got upto the start of the catholic area west of Dungannon and went 'poo poo they might get some use of this' so just stopped. My home town Omagh only got their upgrade finished in 2010, like 50 years after the idea started
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Aidan_702 posted:I'm sorry but I must post this
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Grammarchist posted:Does the UK have a sustained trend of voters really liking left-wing economic policies, but increasingly refusing to vote for left-wing parties? Because here in the states we've made a tradition of voting in left-wing policies via referendums while also electing Republicans on the same ballot that then go on to kill those policies. I don't know how it works in the US, but in the UK the voting for MPs (and hence government) is localized whereas in the referenda it is just a job lot. So it is possible to have most total votes but not be the winning party for government (majority of 20000 in a constituency increasing to 30000 makes no difference essentially, whereas a majority of 1 in another constituency does). But in the brexit referendum, it was straight x people in UK voted leave, y people in UK voted remain, x>y therefore leave won. Prison torture chat: I was watching In the Name of the Father (film with Daniel Day Lewis about the Guildford 4) with a Palestinian friend from Gaza (in Cairo not in the UK) and there were some scenes of torture being carried out by British police on the suspects. Pal friend looking amazed said "This film is copying what the Israelis do to Palestinians!" - I said "This film is based on actual events in the UK" with some caveats about 'dramatization' and I'm pretty sure that the torture scenes were based on reality and also probably very similar to what was going on in the Maze. He was gobsmacked. Maze prison and the 'dirty' protests were common knowledge back in the late 70s (or maybe early 80s, I was at uni anyway), and the whole Bobby Sands hunger strike thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Sands. In 1981 in Tehran, they renamed the street where the British Embassy is from Winston Churchill St to Bobby Sands St. Iran has form for trolling Western governments. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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that's a fray bentos and special brew face imo
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, but I don't think even studio makeup can give you visible cheekbones when you don't otherwise have them. It absolutely can, that's what contouring is. Make-up can give you six pack abs with enough effort.
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, but I don't think even studio makeup can give you visible cheekbones when you don't otherwise have them. One of my nieces is a make up artist and does theatrical makeup - you'd be amazed what they can do!
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