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Shyrka posted:Also mad props to Weyoun. Like in an earlier episode the augment squad have calculated everything out for why the Federation should surrender to the Dominion because it'll save lives and a rebellion originating on Earth in the future will create an even stronger Federation afterwards. If he'd remained in charge of strategy (not tactics which seem to be outside his wheelhouse) the Dominion would have won, Prophets or no Prophets. I love it when an evil empire dooms itself that way. They built someone who could win the war and then made him utterly subservient to someone who couldn't.
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Lester Shy posted:The worst part is that ROS isn't even good-bad or funny-bad. It's just exhausting. yeah it's sad, I'm a gigantic SW dork and I haven't even bothered to watch it again since I saw it in theaters, I honestly can't remember a single part I enjoyed
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Snow Cone Capone posted:yeah it's sad, I'm a gigantic SW dork and I haven't even bothered to watch it again since I saw it in theaters, I honestly can't remember a single part I enjoyed It was one of the most patently miserable, joyless, exhausting films I've ever seen. I'd be interested to see Chris Terrio drop dime on Abrams one day like he's doing to Joss Whedon right now on Justice League trying to save his reputation from being "the guy who wrote Justice League" now that the #SnyderCut is out. Because I'd love to see the breakdown on which of Rise of Skywalker's lovely ideas were his, and which were Abrams'.
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Apr 10, 2021 01:28
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nine-gear crow posted:So the reason for the 10 billion Imperial-I's at Exegol is because Lucasfilm had an ultra high detail CG model of the Imperial-I on hand left over from Rogue One, so it was super easy to slap a big gun on it and copy-paste it enough times to fill up a movie screen. Creating a hero-quality model of the Eclipse in the time they had was utterly unfeasible.
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Apr 10, 2021 01:46
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FlamingLiberal posted:We also call this 'doing a Star Trek: Picard' And see, that's the thing. I like the Inquiry-class, I think it looks rad as poo poo and is a worthy Trek hero ship that I would like to see more of some day. It just loses its appeal real fast when there's 87 billion of them on screen at the same time.
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HopperUK posted:Oh - Civil Defense is one of my favourite episodes just for the moment where Dukat has to ride out being embarrassed in front of everyone. And for the bit where Garak suddenly calls him out on his constant creeping on Kira and he acts like it's *outrageous*. Jadzia starts tapping her desk with her palm and mouthing "Oookay"
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galenanorth posted:I notice something new in this clip every loop The face Garak makes right before he snaps is amazing.
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jeeves posted:I know the Runabouts are Sternbach as gently caress, but I’ve always loved them. I feel like modern Trek is sorely lacking from the input of a person like a Sternbach (or, going back to the original series, Harvey Lynn and Kellam de Forest; on the movies, Jesco von Puttkamer and Mike Minor) who basically says, "Look, I know this is all made-up fantasy bullshit, but let's do things that actually make a lick of sense in-universe so we're actually being consistent with ourselves instead of looking like we're pulling everything out of our rear end (which we are)." I've mentioned this example before, but John Logan's near-final draft of Nemesis had the Scimitar's thalaron weapon right there in the middle of the bridge. Sternbach, who'd been locked out of much of the creative process by Digital Domain, was allowed to read it and was pretty horrified.  Uh, guys? What you want, Sternbach? This super weapon on the bad guys' ship, it's some sort of highly unstable weapon and the radiation is so dangerous that it was banned by the Federation, right? So it's super-duper dangerous? Yeah, so? So if Picard has himself a firefight on the bridge, with weapon bolts flying everywhere, what happens if this weapon, y'know, gets hit? And what happens if something wrecks it when the Enterprise rams the Scimitar? ... gently caressVerviticus posted:i love it because even during all of this its so obvious that dukat really wants weyoun to perceive him as such a wise and insightful person Dukat, more than anything--more than affection, more than authority, more than control--wants to be liked and admired and respected by the people he sees as inferior to him. He is so deeply wounded, for example, that Sisko looks at him as a very dangerous adversary, not a fellow warrior who in a different would would hang out and have beers with him (and then he would snap Sisko's spine). It's a trait very common in sociopaths and people with antisocial or narcissistic personality disorders, and it's one of the better-written and more realistic aspects of Dukat, very entertaining to unpeel until the writers did their course-overcorrection and turned him into Space Wizard Hitler. Snow Cone Capone posted:yeah it's sad, I'm a gigantic SW dork and I haven't even bothered to watch it again since I saw it in theaters, I honestly can't remember a single part I enjoyed The first time I saw The Rise of Skywalker, I was high as a kite and the movie made me actively angry. I think around the part that there were horses running around on a Star Destroyer's deck or something like that. Last week, against my better judgment, I decided to give it another shot. Y'know, maybe I'd been too harsh on it. No. No, I had not, as a matter of fact, been too harsh on it. It's so bad that even John Williams couldn't be bothered to turn in a score with even a modicum of effort. I remember even less of it the second time around, and this time I was sober as a judge. I couldn't stop laughing when Rey used the never-before-conceived notion of using an X with two lightsabers to not just reflect Sith lightning, but to turn Palpatine and ~ALL THE SITH~ into space dust. But I guess that's because she was ~ALL THE JEDI~ or some poo poo. Christ, that movie makes me angry every time I think about it. Timby fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Apr 10, 2021 |
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The only thing I heard about Rise of Skywalker was my one buddy saying over and over "I love it but I am Reylo trash." I don't know if this means he's currently hosting the "katra" of Ian McDiarmid or not. HopperUK posted:If he'd remained in charge of strategy (not tactics which seem to be outside his wheelhouse) the Dominion would have won, Prophets or no Prophets. I love it when an evil empire dooms itself that way. They built someone who could win the war and then made him utterly subservient to someone who couldn't.
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Apr 10, 2021 02:51
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I still can't believe that almost all of the insane poo poo that came out in plot leaks for RoS turned out to be true and not just a bunch of nonsense people made up to troll others
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Apr 10, 2021 02:53
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Some more commentary from Voyager Season 3 episodes Basics Part 2- Honestly this is a pretty unsatisfying conclusion to a long-running story arc that had begun back in Season 1. Seska dies when nobody on the crew is even on the ship and apparently Michael Pillar's original script had her baby dying (which was also actually Chakotay's biological child), but his script was changed so that the child was not actually Chakotay's, and also that the baby survives but Seska does not. Overall it's just a bland way for the Kazon to go out, but they were always a poorly conceived villain and I'm glad that this is it for them as a part of the series. It's really not helped by the Kazon only being threatening to Voyager because the scripts have to write them into making the Voyager crew suddenly super incompetent any time they show up. Flashback- It's nice to see another side of the events of Star Trek 6, which is one of my all time favorite Trek films. Having several TOS cast members come back was nice, although the actual plot of the episode is pretty dull and the only interesting parts are during the TUC flashback scenes. It unfortunately takes awhile to get to that point so overall this pales in comparison to the other Trek anniversary episode that aired at around the same time, which was DS9's 'Trials and Tribbulations'. The Chute- A pretty dark episode for a show like Voyager, which never gets anywhere close to the darker tone of DS9 much, if ever. This is another one of those many Trek episodes where characters go through some dark, messed up poo poo and just shrug it off at the end like it's no big deal. It's not a bad episode but it falls into the pile of many mostly forgettable Voyager ones. The Swarm- Speaking of forgettable episodes, this is another one. The main plot is the Doctor's program degrading because it has been running for too long, which it wasn't designed for. That part is fine, but the B plot of the swarm of unnamed aliens that Voyager is trying to avoid doesn't really go anywhere. It's nice to see Robert Picardo performing the dual roles of The Doctor and Dr. Lewis Zimmerman, which happens a handful of times on the series, as it really shows his range. False Profits- The sequel to the TNG episode 'The Price', which follows up on the loose plot thread from that episode where two Ferengi were trapped on the other side of the Barzan Wormhole in the Delta Quadrant. Seeing Ferengi again is fun, but while I think 90% of the episode is good, the ending is just a mess. Voyager beams up Neelix and the two Ferengi who are about to be killed by the local aliens. They are supposed to be escorted to secured quarters, but apparently on the way there (and this is all off-screen), they manage to overpower the armed security, break into the shuttlebay where their ship is, and blast their way out of the closed shuttlebay to get away. Of course this is primarily because the writers have to A) find a way to put the Ferengi out of the picture again, and B) make it so that Voyager can't use the Barzan wormhole to get home. I get that the writers can't let the crew actually succeed in getting home via the wormhole, but there has to be a better way to do it than this. Remember- A very clunky Holocaust analogy episode that was apparently originally written as a Deanna Troi episode of TNG. It probably doesn't help that the aliens in the episode are not remotely interesting at all and wear very bland pantsuits all the time. The episode never seems to know what it wants to do, because while we, the viewers, are supposed to believe that what B'Elanna is experiencing is a true recounting of events, the other characters spend most of the episode downplaying that idea which just makes everything strange. To me this plot felt very similar (in an unfortunate way) to the TNG episode 'Violations', where another telepathic species is onboard and messing with the crew's minds (particularly the first act). The ending is also very rushed, where B'Elanna I guess succeeds in giving the memories to another member of the species so that (presumably) she can spread the true story of what happened to the extinct minority to the rest of her species, but again, the episode itself doubts that the memories are even real so who knows.
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Apr 10, 2021 03:28
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my word do I hate the 3d controls from Picard that are present in every crappy space show and movie now. And the starships that are so lazily designed and followed none of the iconic conventions of star trek ships. Never saw Rise of Skywalker. After the second film I gave up the series completely.
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Apr 10, 2021 03:31
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FlamingLiberal posted:I still can't believe that almost all of the insane poo poo that came out in plot leaks for RoS turned out to be true and not just a bunch of nonsense people made up to troll others It's not like Trevorrow's script was really any good, either, but at least it made sense. And "he lost the star wars" is an all-time classic of a narrative line in a script. I'd really like to know what it was that Trevorrow said to Frank Marshall on the set of Book of Henry to make Marshall go to Kennedy and say "there's no you will be able to work with this kid, he's a massive pain in the rear end."
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Apr 10, 2021 04:05
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You know your new star warz movies must be bad when the Bad Lip Reading guy stops doing them. I will have to say bad as I loath Jar Jar Abrams’ work, he did still poo poo out that first force awakens movie enough to have that simply amazing Bad Lip Reading with Mark Hamill doing old man grumpy Han in it. Also I feel like calling him Jar Jar does a disservice to Lucas. At least that character is an imaginative low. Nothing JJ has ever done has been that uniquely memorable.
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Apr 10, 2021 04:13
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The_Doctor posted:I really liked the runabouts, and the fact you could definitely use one as a personal ship, living on it if necessary. What happens in a shuttle craft if you need the toilet? Is it under the bench? Does the other occupant then politely ignore you? Reorient gravity so the wall is now the floor, then drop your pants and poo poo directly into the replicator. Ideally you would replicate a roll of toilet paper before you fill the replicator with Tellarite Taco Bell shits.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:30
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Cranappleberry posted:Never saw Rise of Skywalker. After the second film I gave up the series completely.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:38
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jeeves posted:You know your new star warz movies must be bad when the Bad Lip Reading guy stops doing them. It's also, you know, just immensely childish. Timby posted:It's not like Trevorrow's script was really any good, either, but at least it made sense. And "he lost the star wars" is an all-time classic of a narrative line in a script. I think, to paraphrase Dan Olson, The Book of Henry itself should have been ample evidence for Kennedy to punt Trevorrow, given how he was fired like a few weeks after it arrived and then quietly disappeared from theaters. I just wish they could have salvaged his script. Duel of the Fates at least gives the sequels a complete arc instead of one arc that slams to a halt after the second film and then a second brand new arc tries to stitch a new beginning, middle, and end together from its own innards like Rise of Skywalker tries to do.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:52
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The mirror universe may have a lot of drawbacks but over there Mirror Lucas murdered the Disney acquisitions team and just made Dark Empire/DE2/Empire's End into movies himself e: also instead of Solo, Mirror Lucas did a Shadows of the Empire movie and no he did not cut the weird lizard sex pheromone stuff
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Apr 10, 2021 11:08
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Nessus posted:The Dominion is unique for these star empires (at least in film/TV) for having the seeds of its defeat be basically built in, pretty much from the beginning. I actually slightly disliked that beat with Earth but it does make sense that Earth seems to be the de-facto Federation capital world. Yeah, I dislike the constant focus on Earth is in danger to show stakes or Earth is the lynchpin of the Federation. The movie era Klingons were right with those homo sapiens only club jibes. I think a cool concept would've been for the Federation to have some huge space station as their capital, like the Citadel in Mass Effect since we're ripping that off lately.
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Apr 10, 2021 12:32
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Shyrka posted:Yeah, I dislike the constant focus on Earth is in danger to show stakes or Earth is the lynchpin of the Federation. The movie era Klingons were right with those homo sapiens only club jibes. Yorktown would have worked as a space capital, but in a sense it was extra impressive for just being the district show-room. I wonder if there are any Federation-alikes where Earth is presented as the Ohio of space or something, ie. "you can live there, I guess, but the real action is --" Wherever. Star Control comes to mind, but that was a pretty bare-bones setting outside of the excuse for 2D spaceshipwar.
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Apr 10, 2021 12:41
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In Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Earth is a forgotten backwater no one really thinks about in any consequential way. Less like Ohio and more like Wyoming. Dune and Asimov's Foundation are similar, although I believe it's completely lost and/or destroyed in Dune.
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Apr 10, 2021 13:14
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I liked the twist on "Earth is super-important and humans are special with a destiny to save the galaxy" in 2000AD's series Shakara, where Earth is destroyed on the first page and the last surviving human (an astronaut) is mocked for his backwards race's lack of achievement before being ignominiously murdered on page 3.
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Apr 10, 2021 13:22
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Lower Decks is not funny, but at least it's actually Star Trek, kinda.
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Apr 10, 2021 13:36
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MikeJF posted:I think they did had a character look at a breakdown of the shuttle on TNG once, I wonder where the warp core went. Let me try to find it. Guess none of these were still hanging around in museums by the time of Discovery Season 3. I love the runabouts because Sternbachs aesthetic works for them. The Galaxy class is this over the top ambitious piece of art that the Federation puts out there to show off to the Galaxy. I will always love the whole families on board city in space thing for that reason. They were aspirational, showing off what Starfleet and the Federation wanted the future to be. Runabouts feel like an evolution of the tech from the TOS movies progressed a century forward. Practical, lumpy, and not intended to really be seen by anyone who isn't already deeply familiar with Starfleet already.
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Shyrka posted:Yeah, I dislike the constant focus on Earth is in danger to show stakes or Earth is the lynchpin of the Federation. The movie era Klingons were right with those homo sapiens only club jibes. That's pretty much the situation in season 3 of Discovery. Still it would've been a good idea to decentralise the Federation a bit so that it doesn't go tits up if Earth gets blown up.
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Senor Tron posted:The Galaxy class is this over the top ambitious piece of art that the Federation puts out there to show off to the Galaxy. I will always love the whole families on board city in space thing for that reason. They were aspirational, showing off what Starfleet and the Federation wanted the future to be. If not on screen, at least in design the Galaxy class really is like a proto GSV. A self contained microcosm of the Federation that's just as capable of being a major diplomatic mission, a deep space explorer, and long range force projection. If only Discovery had leaned into that with modern special effects...
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Nessus posted:It hangs together as a historical artifact - probably the Federation put the government buildings there so neither the Andorians or Vulcans felt screwed, although I wonder if they would have done the same for Tellar. So if you destroyed or razed Earth you would at a single stroke gently caress up a lot of the glue that holds the Federation together, which would probably make it way easier to break people apart and pick them off piecemeal. That's how I've always taken it. Earth/humans are the duct tape keeping the Federation together. Obliterate it and the Romulans carve off the Vulcans while destroying the Andorians (who were also trying to annex the Vulcans) and the Klingons, Cardassians, and whatever fall all over each other.
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Want to have some cringe? Of course you do. Behold ... Interlude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2y1ruhXZf0 What is this, you may ask? No, it's not one of the two fifteen-minute movies that Axanar is allowed to produce after CBS and Paramount sued their pants off. It's a loving Axanar fan film.
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Apr 10, 2021 22:12
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From SNL last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZps0fR5TE4
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The_Doctor posted:From SNL last night: Lower Decks has some fierce competition for least funny Star Trek comedy now
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Do any Americans, like, actually watch SNL? Like, willingly? Like, not while physically held at gunpoint and forced into it? Its existence is just absolutely baffling
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I haven’t found snl actually funny since like 2000. Has there actually been a noticeable dip in quality since then or is it just nostalgia brain masking that it’s always been bad? (The most recent sketch I can think of that got a laugh out of me was the census one with Tim Meadows and Christopher Walken)
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Apr 11, 2021 20:28
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HD DAD posted:I haven’t found snl actually funny since like 2000. Has there actually been a noticeable dip in quality since then or is it just nostalgia brain masking that it’s always been bad? I think it was actually Lorne Michaels himself that said something along the lines of “SNL is never as funny as the first time you watch it.” And that’s kind of been true for like 40 years now.
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I stopped watching in the mid 90s when it became "characters" instead of jokes. Led by will ferrell, and rob schiender. I believe snl exists cause new yorkers still watch it cause it is from new york and did you know it was set in new york?
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The_Doctor posted:From SNL last night: Paramount definitely asked SNL to remind people that Star Trek is on Paramount+ and the writing team definitely let out an enormous collective sigh, dug a script out of the office comedy pile, and added a line about black holes. Here, have something much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=615SOafGE50
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Apr 11, 2021 21:09
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Shyrka posted:Yeah, I dislike the constant focus on Earth is in danger to show stakes or Earth is the lynchpin of the Federation. The movie era Klingons were right with those homo sapiens only club jibes. Earth is so important, the Borg use it as the origin in their map of the Galaxy, with Earth being sector 001.
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blastron posted:Paramount definitely asked SNL to remind people that Star Trek is on Paramount+ Why would SNL, an NBC property, give a poo poo about what someone at Paramount would want? SNL just enjoys doing Trek parodies (Lorne Michaels is a huge Star Trek fan), and they've been trotting them out since the '70s, going back to The Last Voyage of the Starship Enterprise near the end of the first season. Timby fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Apr 11, 2021 |
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Timby posted:SNL just enjoys doing Trek parodies (Lorne Michaels is a huge Star Trek fan), You can tell by the fact that everyone is in the sketch, they were all really down. Everyone gets a proper uniform, and there’s a quite decent looking set. The uniforms themselves are DS9/VOY influenced, with a dash of Picard-era. They’re all very much having fun.
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