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I've used a few Apple mice, the one I liked the best was the Mighty Mouse, the one that had the little scroll trackball.You Am I posted:Nice old tray drive iMac. I also have the original shorty USB keyboard and puck mouse for my G3 B&W. Thanks, I appreciate the offer. I'll see how it goes with the current OS for the moment. Thanks for reminding me about the Amiga meetups, I don't think I'll be able to make it to this month's one, I've got family commitments, but I'll try and make it to next month's meetup.
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Best Apple mouse was the 1984 Mac mouse, followed by the 1995-era rounded mouse
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Apr 11, 2021 03:15
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Also that version of the Magic Mouse that ran on ordinary AA batteries wasn't too bad either.
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Apr 11, 2021 03:25
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only palmgrabbers dislike the puck and i sit down to wipe too
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Apr 11, 2021 04:16
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Apple's mice have generally sucked (I've used a couple "Magic" mice and they suck), but for a while there they were making some nice keyboards. The G3 iMac keyboard was serviceable, but a lot of the G4 tower models had keyboards I was actually fond of. I use models like both of these, and they were solid:  
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Apr 11, 2021 04:34
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The magic mouse is such a huge leap forward, I'm kind of surprised they still make scrollwheel mice. Imagine if companies who actually cared about ergonomics made these things
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Apr 11, 2021 04:37
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Loved this keyboard, but boy did it punish you if you didn’t strike the key cap exactly right.
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Apr 11, 2021 04:38
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flavor.flv posted:The magic mouse is such a huge leap forward, I'm kind of surprised they still make scrollwheel mice. I'm assuming this is sarcasm.
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Apr 11, 2021 04:41
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Putting the USB ports where the ADB ports were on earlier keyboards was a smart move.
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Apr 11, 2021 04:53
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Bargearse posted:Putting the USB ports where the ADB ports were on earlier keyboards was a smart move. I hadn't thought about it in a while, but I'm assuming USB ports on wired keyboards stopped being a thing because they'd need to be on at least USB 2.0 ports and power delivery would be a concern. That, and most keyboards are made as cheaply as possible. USB hubs built into monitors seems fairly common still, at least.
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Apr 11, 2021 04:59
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Dip Viscous posted:only palmgrabbers dislike the puck and i sit down to wipe too This implies you stand up to poo poo
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Apr 11, 2021 05:01
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:This implies you stand up to poo poo Think Different™
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Apr 11, 2021 05:03
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Oh man, I loved this design as a kid. I feel like buying one of these to go with my new macbook when I use it on a desk with an external display, do they support modern function hotkeys like volume up/down?
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Apr 11, 2021 10:01
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Enos Shenk posted:It's also amazingly uncomfortable to use unless you're a fingertip mouse-pusher. I prefer something chonky enough to curve to my hand, so the one time I tried to use one of these I despised it. Waaaaay too thin.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Apple's mice have generally sucked (I've used a couple "Magic" mice and they suck), but for a while there they were making some nice keyboards. The G3 iMac keyboard was serviceable, but a lot of the G4 tower models had keyboards I was actually fond of.
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Apr 11, 2021 11:17
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The Apple Extended Keyboard II will always be my favorite apple keyboard. Those mechanical switches had the perfect feel for me.
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Apr 11, 2021 11:26
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I have a Apple Desktop Mouse on the IIfx and it doesn't seem to be designed for human hands. Honestly starting to see why people used to have so many carpal tunnel issues back in the day if they were using those things all day. It's weird how old keyboards like the Apple Extended Keyboard and Model Ms were great then got worse over the years while all old computer mice are awful compared to even low cost new ones. I like the extended keyboard enough that I'm considering using it as a daily driver for a while (since I ended up with both a model I and II), got the USB adapter already... Photoshop is pretty usable with the dual monitor setup: 
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Apr 11, 2021 14:10
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The Apple //e mouse I have is pretty nice. And relatively rare in Australia, as the previous owner of the //e kept on getting requests from others to rip out the mouse card and sell it and the mouse separately. Thankfully he didn't. Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:The Apple Extended Keyboard II will always be my favorite apple keyboard. Those mechanical switches had the perfect feel for me. That's what I currently use on my work MacBook when working from home via a Griffin iMate adapter. At work I use the black USB keyboard.
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Apr 12, 2021 02:00
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I swapped a g5 I didn't have a use for for a g4 last weekend, and now I need to track down one of those soap bar optical mice so I stop trying to use the unsupported scroll wheel. I've also got a M0100, M0110 and M0110A I picked up over the summer I need to get around to cleaning and getting rid of.
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Apr 12, 2021 02:51
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The best mouse of all time was the big grey optical MS intellimouse. Don't @ me.
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Xerxes17 posted:The best mouse of all time was the big grey optical MS intellimouse. Don't @ me. I loved mine, and was one of my first electronic modification project I did all by myself with no help or guidance. It may seem trivial now but researching the right LED to replace the red LED with a blue one and the rear facing LED with a UV, then casting a clear diffuser. Oh and dremel in a grill and added a little hand cooling fan. I thought I was king poo poo at LAN parties.
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Apr 12, 2021 03:02
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Xerxes17 posted:The best mouse of all time was the big grey optical MS intellimouse. Don't @ me. Microsoft was really good at hardware for a bit
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Xerxes17 posted:The best mouse of all time was the big grey optical MS intellimouse. Don't @ me.
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Apr 12, 2021 04:11
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Ooh I had one of these. Must have been a later revision with the not-idiotic enter key. I did like it, but the big weakness was the clear plastic. Keyboards collect gross dust and bits anyway, but on this one you got to see all the nasty stuff that the air couldn't blast free! I think I took it apart a couple times just to clean the little hairs and lint out of there.
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Apr 12, 2021 04:33
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I think that's an ISO keyboard, what you're used to is the ANSI layout with the horizontal enter key.
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Apr 12, 2021 04:37
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I seem to remember that Apple's Mighty Mouse projected a kind of mouse-shaped image on your desk if you held it a certain way. I thought that was neat.
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Apr 12, 2021 05:47
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Cojawfee posted:I think that's an ISO keyboard, what you're used to is the ANSI layout with the horizontal enter key. Yup. I hate when laptop manufacturers cheap out and give us the tiny weird ANSI enter key on european laptops. Doubly so if the keyboard just doesn't have enough physical keys for the Norwegian layout. I also reserve the right to dislike the merged "nordic" layout where some of the keys have 6+ symbols in varying colors, but at least that one has the right shape and number of keys.
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Humphreys posted:I loved mine, and was one of my first electronic modification project I did all by myself with no help or guidance. It may seem trivial now but researching the right LED to replace the red LED with a blue one and the rear facing LED with a UV, then casting a clear diffuser. Oh and dremel in a grill and added a little hand cooling fan. I thought I was king poo poo at LAN parties. My version of this was having to put a small strip of plastic over the LMB switch, because the arm from the button has been worn away from use and I needed just that little bit of extra reach.
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I still use an intellimouse 1.0 today on one pc. It’s just unkillable and nice to use. Yeah there are better more ergonomic mice today but the ms mouse is a legend
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Apr 12, 2021 15:05
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My Microsoft® Basic Optical Mouse v2.0 has been chugging along for... 15 years now? and is showing no signs of stopping. Thank God, I think that at this point my right hand has been molded by it, it's just perfect for me.
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Computer viking posted:I also reserve the right to dislike the merged "nordic" layout where some of the keys have 6+ symbols in varying colors, but at least that one has the right shape and number of keys.
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Apr 12, 2021 17:25
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I do wonder why there even are differences between Norwegian and Danish layouts, as far as I can tell the only difference is æ/ø changed places. At least the Swedish layout has actual different letters for those positions.
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This is pretty neat and seems thread-appropriate:https://www.theregister.com/2021/04/12/retro_frogfind/ posted:FrogFind, created by Philadelphia-based retro computing enthusiast Sean Malseed, effectively distils the DuckDuckGo search engine into its most basic form, stripping out anything that might confound browsers of Netscape vintage. Think CSS, JavaScript, SSL, and even tables.
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longview posted:I do wonder why there even are differences between Norwegian and Danish layouts, as far as I can tell the only difference is æ/ø changed places. At least the Swedish layout has actual different letters for those positions. There's a few subtle differences in the symbols, too. The plain, shift and AltGr (where applicable) values of these keys, specifically: Norwegian: Left of 1 : | § Left of backspace: \ ` ´ Left of Z: < > Danish: Left of 1 : ½ § Left of backspace: | ` ´ Left of Z: <>\ So they get a ½ symbol we don't have, move backslash to an altGr combo, and we don't agree which end of the number row | lives at. And of course, Æ/Ø have switched places for no good reason. Nothing massive, I'd be perfectly happy if we had decided back in the typewriter days to just use an identical layout. Switching now would be a mild annoyance, but probably not worse than sporadically having to use the (way different) Apple Norwegian layout. It's also weird when you get what sort of layout. This thinkpad has a nice clean Norwegian-specific keyboard. Cheap Dell OEM keyboards that cost less than a beer come in country-specific variants. Nicer standalone keyboards, and IIRC most Asus laptops? Nordic salad bowl. I guess it could be a market size thing - it's only worth it if you expect to sell a huge number of copies? Computer viking has a new favorite as of 15:41 on Apr 13, 2021 |
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Computer viking posted:There's a few subtle differences in the symbols, too. I'm restoring a Dell XPS M1730 (whole different kind of tech relic we should talk about eventually), and the keyboard backlight doesn't work. A new Norwegian keyboard was €85, and a new Swedish/Danish keyboard was €8. Yeah, I think I'll go for Danish and swap over those 2-3 keys myself.
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Oh that's an utterly stupid beast of a laptop. I know one guy who keeps buying that kind of thing, and they're always hot, heavy, noisy, and generally neither great as laptops nor gaming machines, and the heat means they die early. Great restoration object, though - good luck.  And yeah, I think switching Æ/Ø and leaving the rest alone should be Fine, unless there's some sort of Pebble Beach of laptop restorers where they'll look down on you for not being entirely factory correct.
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Apr 13, 2021 16:10
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an actual frog posted:This is pretty neat and seems thread-appropriate: This actually rules that it forces the results through the same proxy filter type of thing
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Apr 13, 2021 16:47
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Computer viking posted:There's a few subtle differences in the symbols, too. I didn't know there were that many differences, but looking at my Cooler Master keyboard it does have a huge mess on the left/right keys at either side of the number row, and next to Z. Thinkpads seem to always use country specific layouts, both my X250 and a standalone Thinkpad USB keyboard are single country editions. Though my X250 has a Danish layout, not sure if those keys can be swapped over easily... Also re: ISO/ANSI layouts, the Apple Extended Keyboard (I) Norwegian layout uses an ANSI style enter key with @/* right above it, the II model uses an ISO layout. I've decided to keep using it for fun, but I do end up putting a lot of @s at the end of sentences. Jim Silly-Balls posted:This actually rules that it forces the results through the same proxy filter type of thing He also runs this channel, which has a lot of Mac stuff, I quite like his videos. The Cursed SE/30 series is an impressive amount of work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_v2_vTogS8
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So I fell down a hole watching that cursed SE/30 series and it inspired me to get the aftermarket ROM that he uses for my SE/30 https://www.bigmessowires.com/mac-rom-inator-ii/ I’m always fearful of the ancient SCSI drive dying on my SE/30 and this rom having system 7.1 preloaded on it makes me feel a bit better and for $40 I feel like it’s a decent investment in reliability. Beve Stuscemi has a new favorite as of 22:45 on Apr 14, 2021 |
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