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Labour as a leftist party hasn't had a chance to get into power since the 70s. It was only when they leaned to the right that they got in. Kier just wants to try to repeat the Blair strategy to appeal to people. Not that there's actually a political party in this country that isn't full of a bunch of idiots.
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Jel Shaker posted:i suggest you go to the guardian comments yourself and gaze into the void my friend Ah, I see. I've been a fool. You can see the reaction even one post gave me, a whole comment section would probably give me an aneurysm Assuming the above isn't also from the Guardian comments, what about 2017 and particularly the fact that the policies specifically polled very well with the public?
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Jose posted:they're 100% going to shift even further right upon losing hartlepool because they can't ever admit they're wrong explicitly admitting that polling is pure propaganda just so they can accuse the cwu of ruining the labour movement/siding with Tories, by nefariously showing that people like fair wages and infrastructure. an all-time highlight imo Giedroyc posted:Labour as a leftist party hasn't had a chance to get into power since the 70s. It was only when they leaned to the right that they got in. absolutely delusional stuff, thanks Spangly A has issued a correction as of 15:57 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Giedroyc posted:Labour as a leftist party hasn't had a chance to get into power since the 70s. It was only when they leaned to the right that they got in. how in gods name did you end up in this thread, and why would you ever think this is a space that is in any way shape or form receptive to your ideas
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Have the polls actually been right in years? I remember them showing Miliband being 50/50 at one point. Shame the Lib Dems allowed Clegg to utterly wipe them out.
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babypolis posted:how in gods name did you end up in this thread, and why would you ever think this is a space that is in any way shape or form receptive to your ideas It's a political discussion forum. You know, for debate and talking. I'm sorry you don't agree with what I'm saying, but isn't that the point of a discussion? if everyone mindlessly agrees with something what's there to talk about? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Giedroyc posted:Labour as a leftist party hasn't had a chance to get into power since the 70s. It was only when they leaned to the right that they got in. How do you get into Rupert Murdoch's extended family? That's what Blair did, right?
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Giedroyc posted:It's a political discussion forum. You know, for debate and talking. I'm sorry you don't agree with what I'm saying, but isn't that the point of a discussion? if everyone mindlessly agrees with something what's there to talk about? If someone begins to tell me that covid is our bodies response to 5g finally activating our vaccine nanobots I'm not going to discuss anything with them as an equal
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Giedroyc posted:It's a political discussion forum. You know, for debate and talking. I'm sorry you don't agree with what I'm saying, but isn't that the point of a discussion? if everyone mindlessly agrees with something what's there to talk about? did you mean to click on the subforum named "debate and discussion" and miss?
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free the monarchist
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Why won't anyone debate me, the monarchist, in the free market of ideas
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imagine what the media landscape will be like when the queen dies. I might choke to death on my own contempt for this ghastly land.
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unless she dies in a funny way like a gargoyle falls on her
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she should hold on until literally the day of Charle's passing.
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monarcho-communism
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bitterandtwisted posted:unless she dies in a funny way like a gargoyle falls on her have you not seen the news? he's been dead since friday
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Southpaugh posted:free the monarchist harsh? yes. funny? definitely
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your entire country is a ghastly bubo and the Royals are merely the glistening pus seeping from its suppurating crevasse
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i already wrote half this before, so  it's not 1997. There are no third way politicians with the skill, charisma and massacre-free reputation of young blair. We do not live in the same world, with the same conditions and assumptions. Corbyn's run in 2017 won more votes than anything since that cursed day 24 years ago, and over 3m more than miliband and brown. The rebuttal candidate is currently wallowing twenty points behind boris in a dying party he is solely responsible for. The job isn't to repeat people's opinions in the least controversial manner possible, and nobody has ever won an election on that. That is not what Blair did. The job is to tell people how your movement sees the world, and what you plan to do about it. That is something nobody on the labour right is capable of. It's over, it was over the day we invaded Iraq. Please stop trying to take us all down with you like we're phillip's handservants being locked in his crypt
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Giedroyc posted:It's a political discussion forum. You know, for debate and talking. I'm sorry you don't agree with what I'm saying, but isn't that the point of a discussion? if everyone mindlessly agrees with something what's there to talk about? wtf dont probate them, they are a special wonderful treasure
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Giedroyc posted:Labour as a leftist party hasn't had a chance to get into power since the 70s. It was only when they leaned to the right that they got in. the left did have a chance to get into power in 2017 if the internal party hadn't thrown the election, though i am skeptical about how effective a left wing labour would have been considering without reselection most of the MPs are stacked up blairite fossils who dogmatically hate leftism and everyone in parliament and the civil service would have blocked any reforms blairite labour won because blair could sign a deal with the devil with murdoch. kier has completely failed to do that so he's doomed to be the radical socialist who protects saville anyway. the lesson of corbyn was just how large a mountain to climb it is to overcome the media. very few journalists and far fewer owners are gonna want to pay more taxes. there was a naivety that we could just overcome that with popular support and spontaneous social media but that was wrong e: once you're in gov you can ignore the media to a large extent but they loving 'ave yer if you're the opposition Communist Thoughts has issued a correction as of 16:50 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Southpaugh posted:free the monarchist Live by the idiot king, die by the idiot king
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the media sucks impossibly but you can’t discuss the 2019 failure of corbynism without discussing the fact that a significant portion of the electorate—maybe even a majority—firmly believes that Britain has an inherent entitlement to the world. it is not proper for britain to pay anybody anything. britain cannot be bound by any promise or obligation. indeed, britain is still an empire, and there is an inherent hierarchy to the world with britain on top. corbyn’s universalism was his greatest weakness. his promise to share britain’s bounty with the undeserving killed him.
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The funniest way for the queen to die would be to have a heart attack from the exertion of typing a telegram to herself commending herself on her 100th
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prefect posted:How do you get into Rupert Murdoch's extended family? That's what Blair did, right? Yeah and then shagged his wife
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Party Boat posted:Yeah and then shagged his wife Murdoch is married to a pig??
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Mr. Lobe posted:Murdoch is married to a pig?? Blair wasn't actually a Tory.
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JuSt AsKInG QueStIoNS fOr DeBaTe
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the media sucks impossibly but you can’t discuss the 2019 failure of corbynism without discussing the fact that a significant portion of the electorate—maybe even a majority—firmly believes that Britain has an inherent entitlement to the world. it is not proper for britain to pay anybody anything. britain cannot be bound by any promise or obligation. indeed, britain is still an empire, and there is an inherent hierarchy to the world with britain on top. corbyn’s universalism was his greatest weakness. his promise to share britain’s bounty with the undeserving killed him. Emptyquote! Yeah, really. The mind of the average gammon makes a lot more sense when you realise they think the Empire is something that never really went away.
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Valko posted:Emptyquote!
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There's a Doctor Who episode where people only remember the aliens when they're looking directly at them. Once people look away, they completely forget everything about the aliens - how they look and sound and anything they might have said, and only remember again the next time they look at one. I'm convinced the show's writers got this idea from seeing Keith Starman in action.
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Not sure. I don't remember making that post.
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coming 6 may: (-24) starring Keirer Starmerman as Jack Borer
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mrmcd posted:https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1380808687401361409 no one actually cares about philip. this is performative crap. a buncha people are actually emotionally invested in the queen, for some dumb reason. when she dies, you will see sincere grief, which should manifest quite differently than this Socially Proper Mourning Performance
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