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nut posted:it is still surreal do they just imagine no one is going to think hey who is this scholarship named after /nods in Rhodesian
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one of my coworkers told me he went to school with some of bill clinton’s kids in arkansas
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smarxist posted:I think the Clinton's are probably as dirty as anybody but they seem to be good at the game they're good, but not the best 
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nut posted:has anyone tried this? no, Hillary Clinton's evil eye is telling me I can't, she'll see me
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inferis posted:one of my coworkers told me he went to school with some of bill clinton’s kids in arkansas lol I get it. How many? With regards to Bush-Clinton-Perot in 1992, Perot was at one point leading in the polls against both Bush and Clinton. He definitely siphoned away votes from Bush. Perot was retired Navy, a tech founder and investor in silicon valley, a big proponent of the MIA/POW issue (which I believe was at some point coopted by government agencies, and was used to extend the war while it was still ongoing), and his running mate was retired Vice Admiral James Stockdale (MIA/ POW himself). Not that it means he was spooked up, but Perot was thoroughly a part of the system and would benefit the MIC. Essentially the MIC had 3 darlings instead of 2.
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Backweb posted:MIA/POW issue (which I believe was at some point coopted by government agencies, and was used to extend the war while it was still ongoing) Can you expand on this?
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Backweb posted:lol I get it. How many? Perots entire campaign was one big crack ping especially when unidentified covert forces started threatening his family if he didn't withdraw from the race
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Backweb posted:lol I get it. How many? i don't really know, it was just a passing reference, like it was just kind of known that there were many of them around in arkansas. i can't ask him because he's in prison for killing his wife now.
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Spergin Morlock posted:also bill c was a Rhodes scholar which seems to be highly correlated with being in the CIA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rhodes_Scholars Ah this is funny Bill Clinton, George Stephanopoulos, Naomi Wolf, Rachel Maddow, Russ Feingold, R. James Woolsey (lol), Pete Buttigieg, Eric Garcetti, Cory Booker, Ronan Farrow (!), any more? Lots of unfamiliar names though, and missing so many who are on this thread's radar. Could just be that a lot of people who earn prestige go on to become spies and not vice versa. Cecil Rhodes, a major African colonist and blood diamond mine owner, was the founder of the scholarship, so that's cool.
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shame on an IGA posted:how the gently caress is that even a question Hillary was on the walmart board of directors 1986-1992 board of directors means poo poo though... it's a do nothing nothing that doesn't pay. you just get called in if company doesn't perform, to yell at CEO about "number go up" and then off you go
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Happy Thread posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rhodes_Scholars Dick Luger (Indiana senator, was big in arms control stuff during/after the Cold War. Kris Kristofferson the actor, lol
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Happy Thread posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rhodes_Scholars Spies are generally Ivy due to access, so that has gently caress all to do with Rhodes. Military spooks like Pete aren't "spies" because they are official, they aren't a NOC.
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Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott were both Rhodes scholars as well lmao Robert Reich Wesley Clark David Souter Richard Haas's (president of the council on foreign relations at one point) Michael McFaul Susan Rice Ashton Carter (SecDef under Obama) Bobby Jindal Eric Greatens
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PuErhTeabag posted:Can you expand on this? https://newrepublic.com/article/90232/pow-mia-vietnam-ronald-reagan https://newrepublic.com/article/90592/ross-perot-vietnam-texas The short version is that the Nixon campaign began claiming that there were POWs being held in prisons in North Vietnam that the Vietnamese were allegedly not disclosing that they still held. They said this in order to create a pretext for needing the war to continue: we really really want the US to pull-out, but we need to stay in because Our Boys are still being held in captivity! Once Nixon got re-elected he didn't need to do this anymore, but by then he had stoked the fires of a movement that kept going past its immediate political usefulness. He manage to get hundreds of families to genuinely believe that their sons or fathers were still out there and alive somewhere, and they wouldn't stop believing - why would they when the authorities already told them what they thought was the truth? Ford and Carter had to conduct Congressional hearings to try and settle this, and it kept damaging attempts at negotiating with the Vietnamese because they kept getting pestered for requests for MIA persons or remains that they couldn't possibly have. Reagan leaned real hard on the idea, because it allowed the US to reshape the narrative that it was America that was victimized by the Vietnamese, as with Rambo and a bunch of revisionist movies about Vietnam. Perot seems like he was a true believer in the story rather than simply cynically exploiting it like Nixon and Reagan (and hapless rubes like Ford and Carter), and his attempts to drag the issue back into the national limelight during his presidential campaign was the last time that it received such attention ... ... until Trump took down the flag that was put up at the White House in remembrance of POWs that had been flying there since 1979 ... ... and then Joe Biden put it back up last week.
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smarxist posted:Lmao. This country is loving
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Spergin Morlock posted:Bobby Jindal Bobby Jindal? Jindal. Now there's a name I've not heard in a long, long time.
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Riot Bimbo posted:*nods insanely* The Military Origins of Facebook DARPA’s Data Mining for “National Security” and to “Humanize” AI In the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, DARPA, in close collaboration with the US intelligence community (specifically the CIA), began developing a “precrime” approach to combatting terrorism known as Total Information Awareness or TIA. The purpose of TIA was to develop an “all-seeing” military-surveillance apparatus. The official logic behind TIA was that invasive surveillance of the entire US population was necessary to prevent terrorist attacks, bioterrorism events, and even naturally occurring disease outbreaks. The architect of TIA, and the man who led it during its relatively brief existence, was John Poindexter, best known for being Ronald Reagan’s National Security Advisor during the Iran-Contra affair and for being convicted of five felonies in relation to that scandal. A less well-known activity of Iran-Contra figures like Poindexter and Oliver North was their development of the Main Core database to be used in “continuity of government” protocols. Main Core was used to compile a list of US dissidents and “potential troublemakers” to be dealt with if the COG protocols were ever invoked. These protocols could be invoked for a variety of reasons, including widespread public opposition to a US military intervention abroad, widespread internal dissent, or a vaguely defined moment of “national crisis” or “time of panic.” Americans were not informed if their name was placed on the list, and a person could be added to the list for merely having attended a protest in the past, for failing to pay taxes, or for other, “often trivial,” behaviors deemed “unfriendly” by its architects in the Reagan administration. In light of this, it was no exaggeration when New York Times columnist William Safire remarked that, with TIA, “Poindexter is now realizing his twenty-year dream: getting the ‘data-mining’ power to snoop on every public and private act of every American.” The TIA program met with considerable citizen outrage after it was revealed to the public in early 2003. TIA’s critics included the American Civil Liberties Union, which claimed that the surveillance effort would “kill privacy in America” because “every aspect of our lives would be catalogued,” while several mainstream media outlets warned that TIA was “fighting terror by terrifying US citizens.” As a result of the pressure, DARPA changed the program’s name to Terrorist Information Awareness to make it sound less like a national-security panopticon and more like a program aiming specifically at terrorists in the post-9/11 era. The TIA projects were not actually closed down, however, with most moved to the classified portfolios of the Pentagon and US intelligence community. Some became intelligence funded and guided private-sector endeavors, such as Peter Thiel’s Palantir, while others resurfaced years later under the guise of combatting the COVID-19 crisis. Soon after TIA was initiated, a similar DARPA program was taking shape under the direction of a close friend of Poindexter’s, DARPA program manager Douglas Gage. Gage’s project, LifeLog, sought to “build a database tracking a person’s entire existence” that included an individual’s relationships and communications (phone calls, mail, etc.), their media-consumption habits, their purchases, and much more in order to build a digital record of “everything an individual says, sees, or does.” LifeLog would then take this unstructured data and organize it into “discreet episodes” or snapshots while also “mapping out relationships, memories, events and experiences.” LifeLog, per Gage and supporters of the program, would create a permanent and searchable electronic diary of a person’s entire life, which DARPA argued could be used to create next-generation “digital assistants” and offer users a “near-perfect digital memory.” Gage insisted, even after the program was shut down, that individuals would have had “complete control of their own data-collection efforts” as they could “decide when to turn the sensors on or off and decide who will share the data.” In the years since then, analogous promises of user control have been made by the tech giants of Silicon Valley, only to be broken repeatedly for profit and to feed the government’s domestic-surveillance apparatus. The information that LifeLog gleaned from an individual’s every interaction with technology would be combined with information obtained from a GPS transmitter that tracked and documented the person’s location, audio-visual sensors that recorded what the person saw and said, as well as biomedical monitors that gauged the person’s health. Like TIA, LifeLog was promoted by DARPA as potentially supporting “medical research and the early detection of an emerging epidemic.” Critics in mainstream media outlets and elsewhere were quick to point out that the program would inevitably be used to build profiles on dissidents as well as suspected terrorists. Combined with TIA’s surveillance of individuals at multiple levels, LifeLog went farther by “adding physical information (like how we feel) and media data (like what we read) to this transactional data.” One critic, Lee Tien of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, warned at the time that the programs that DARPA was pursuing, including LifeLog, “have obvious, easy paths to Homeland Security deployments.” At the time, DARPA publicly insisted that LifeLog and TIA were not connected, despite their obvious parallels, and that LifeLog would not be used for “clandestine surveillance.” However, DARPA’s own documentation on LifeLog noted that the project “will be able . . . to infer the user’s routines, habits and relationships with other people, organizations, places and objects, and to exploit these patterns to ease its task,” which acknowledged its potential use as a tool of mass surveillance. In addition to the ability to profile potential enemies of the state, LifeLog had another goal that was arguably more important to the national-security state and its academic partners—the “humanization” and advancement of artificial intelligence. In late 2002, just months prior to announcing the existence of LifeLog, DARPA released a strategy document detailing development of artificial intelligence by feeding it with massive floods of data from various sources. The post-9/11 military-surveillance projects—LifeLog and TIA being only two of them—offered quantities of data that had previously been unthinkable to obtain and that could potentially hold the key to achieving the hypothesized “technological singularity.” The 2002 DARPA document even discusses DARPA’s effort to create a brain-machine interface that would feed human thoughts directly into machines to advance AI by keeping it constantly awash in freshly mined data. One of the projects outlined by DARPA, the Cognitive Computing Initiative, sought to develop sophisticated artificial intelligence through the creation of an “enduring personalized cognitive assistant,” later termed the Perceptive Assistant that Learns, or PAL. PAL, from the very beginning was tied to LifeLog, which was originally intended to result in granting an AI “assistant” human-like decision-making and comprehension abilities by spinning masses of unstructured data into narrative format. The would-be main researchers for the LifeLog project also reflect the program’s end goal of creating humanized AI. For instance, Howard Shrobe at the MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory and his team at the time were set to be intimately involved in LifeLog. Shrobe had previously worked for DARPA on the “evolutionary design of complex software” before becoming associate director of the AI Lab at MIT and has devoted his lengthy career to building “cognitive-style AI.” In the years after LifeLog was cancelled, he again worked for DARPA as well as on intelligence community–related AI research projects. In addition, the AI Lab at MIT was intimately connected with the 1980s corporation and DARPA contractor called Thinking Machines, which was founded by and/or employed many of the lab’s luminaries—including Danny Hillis, Marvin Minsky, and Eric Lander—and sought to build AI supercomputers capable of human-like thought. All three of these individuals were later revealed to be close associates of and/or sponsored by the intelligence-linked pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who also generously donated to MIT as an institution and was a leading funder of and advocate for transhumanist-related scientific research. Soon after the LifeLog program was shuttered, critics worried that, like TIA, it would continue under a different name. For example, Lee Tien of the Electronic Frontier Foundation told VICE at the time of LifeLog’s cancellation, “It would not surprise me to learn that the government continued to fund research that pushed this area forward without calling it LifeLog.” Along with its critics, one of the would-be researchers working on LifeLog, MIT’s David Karger, was also certain that the DARPA project would continue in a repackaged form. He told Wired that “I am sure such research will continue to be funded under some other title . . . I can’t imagine DARPA ‘dropping out’ of a such a key research area.” The answer to these speculations appears to lie with the company that launched the exact same day that LifeLog was shuttered by the Pentagon: Facebook. Thiel Information Awareness After considerable controversy and criticism, in late 2003, TIA was shut down and defunded by Congress, just months after it was launched. It was only later revealed that that TIA was never actually shut down, with its various programs having been covertly divided up among the web of military and intelligence agencies that make up the US national-security state. Some of it was privatized. The same month that TIA was pressured to change its name after growing backlash, Peter Thiel incorporated Palantir, which was, incidentally, developing the core panopticon software that TIA had hoped to wield. Soon after Palantir’s incorporation in 2003, Richard Perle, a notorious neoconservative from the Reagan and Bush administrations and an architect of the Iraq War, called TIA’s Poindexter and said he wanted to introduce him to Thiel and his associate Alex Karp, now Palantir’s CEO. According to a report in New York magazine, Poindexter “was precisely the person” whom Thiel and Karp wanted to meet, mainly because “their new company was similar in ambition to what Poindexter had tried to create at the Pentagon,” that is, TIA. During that meeting, Thiel and Karp sought “to pick the brain of the man now widely viewed as the godfather of modern surveillance.” Soon after Palantir’s incorporation, though the exact timing and details of the investment remain hidden from the public, the CIA’s In-Q-Tel became the company’s first backer, aside from Thiel himself, giving it an estimated $2 million. In-Q-Tel’s stake in Palantir would not be publicly reported until mid-2006. The money was certainly useful. In addition, Alex Karp told the New York Times in October 2020, “the real value of the In-Q-Tel investment was that it gave Palantir access to the CIA analysts who were its intended clients.” A key figure in the making of In-Q-Tel investments during this period, including the investment in Palantir, was the CIA’s chief information officer, Alan Wade, who had been the intelligence community’s point man for Total Information Awareness. Wade had previously cofounded the post-9/11 Homeland Security software contractor Chiliad alongside Christine Maxwell, sister of Ghislaine Maxwell and daughter of Iran-Contra figure, intelligence operative, and media baron Robert Maxwell. After the In-Q-Tel investment, the CIA would be Palantir’s only client until 2008. During that period, Palantir’s two top engineers—Aki Jain and Stephen Cohen—traveled to CIA headquarters at Langley, Virginia, every two weeks. Jain recalls making at least two hundred trips to CIA headquarters between 2005 and 2009. During those regular visits, CIA analysts “would test [Palantir’s software] out and offer feedback, and then Cohen and Jain would fly back to California to tweak it.” As with In-Q-Tel’s decision to invest in Palantir, the CIA’s chief information officer during this time remained one of TIA’s architects. Alan Wade played a key role in many of these meetings and subsequently in the “tweaking” of Palantir’s products. Today, Palantir’s products are used for mass surveillance, predictive policing, and other disconcerting policies of the US national-security state. A telling example is Palantir’s sizable involvement in the new Health and Human Services–run wastewater surveillance program that is quietly spreading across the United States. As noted in a previous Unlimited Hangout report, that system is the resurrection of a TIA program called Biosurveillance. It is feeding all its data into the Palantir-managed and secretive HHS Protect data platform. The decision to turn controversial DARPA-led programs into a private ventures, however, was not limited to Thiel’s Palantir. The Rise of Facebook The shuttering of TIA at DARPA had an impact on several related programs, which were also dismantled in the wake of public outrage over DARPA’s post-9/11 programs. One of these programs was LifeLog. As news of the program spread through the media, many of the same vocal critics who had attacked TIA went after LifeLog with similar zeal, with Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists telling Wired at the time that “LifeLog has the potential to become something like ‘TIA cubed.’” LifeLog being viewed as something that would prove even worse than the recently cancelled TIA had a clear effect on DARPA, which had just seen both TIA and another related program cancelled after considerable backlash from the public and the press. The firestorm of criticism of LifeLog took its program manager, Doug Gage, by surprise, and Gage has continued to assert that the program’s critics “completely mischaracterized” the goals and ambitions of the project. Despite Gage’s protests and those of LifeLog’s would-be researchers and other supporters, the project was publicly nixed on February 4, 2004. DARPA never provided an explanation for its quiet move to shutter LifeLog, with a spokesperson stating only that it was related to “a change in priorities” for the agency. On DARPA director Tony Tether’s decision to kill LifeLog, Gage later told VICE, “I think he had been burnt so badly with TIA that he didn’t want to deal with any further controversy with LifeLog. The death of LifeLog was collateral damage tied to the death of TIA.” Fortuitously for those supporting the goals and ambitions of LifeLog, a company that turned out to be its private-sector analogue was born on the same day that LifeLog’s cancellation was announced. On February 4, 2004, what is now the world’s largest social network, Facebook, launched its website and quickly rose to the top of the social media roost, leaving other social media companies of the era in the dust. A few months into Facebook’s launch, in June 2004, Facebook cofounders Mark Zuckerberg and Dustin Moskovitz brought Sean Parker onto Facebook’s executive team. Parker, previously known for cofounding Napster, later connected Facebook with its first outside investor, Peter Thiel. As discussed, Thiel, at that time, in coordination with the CIA, was actively trying to resurrect controversial DARPA programs that had been dismantled the previous year. Notably, Sean Parker, who became Facebook’s first president, also had a history with the CIA, which recruited him at the age of sixteen soon after he had been busted by the FBI for hacking corporate and military databases. Thanks to Parker, in September 2004, Thiel formally acquired $500,000 worth of Facebook shares and was added its board. Parker maintained close ties to Facebook as well as to Thiel, with Parker being hired as a managing partner of Thiel’s Founders Fund in 2006. Thiel and Facebook cofounder Mosokvitz became involved outside of the social network long after Facebook’s rise to prominence, with Thiel’s Founder Fund becoming a significant investor in Moskovitz’s company Asana in 2012. Thiel’s longstanding symbiotic relationship with Facebook cofounders extends to his company Palantir, as the data that Facebook users make public invariably winds up in Palantir’s databases and helps drive the surveillance engine Palantir runs for a handful of US police departments, the military, and the intelligence community. In the case of the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal, Palantir was also involved in utilizing Facebook data to benefit the 2016 Donald Trump presidential campaign. Today, as recent arrests such as that of Daniel Baker have indicated, Facebook data is slated to help power the coming “war on domestic terror,” given that information shared on the platform is being used in “precrime” capture of US citizens, domestically. In light of this, it is worth dwelling on the point that Thiel’s exertions to resurrect the main aspects of TIA as his own private company coincided with his becoming the first outside investor in what was essentially the analogue of another DARPA program deeply intertwined with TIA. Facebook, a Front Because of the coincidence that Facebook launched the same day that LifeLog was shut down, there has been recent speculation that Zuckerberg began and launched the project with Moskovitz, Saverin, and others through some sort of behind-the-scenes coordination with DARPA or another organ of the national-security state. While there is no direct evidence for this precise claim, the early involvement of Parker and Thiel in the project, particularly given the timing of Thiel’s other activities, reveals that the national-security state was involved in Facebook’s rise. It is debatable whether Facebook was intended from its inception to be a LifeLog analogue or if it happened to be the social media project that fit the bill after its launch. The latter seems more likely, especially considering that Thiel also invested in another early social media platform, Friendster. An important point linking Facebook and LifeLog is the subsequent identification of Facebook with LifeLog by the latter’s DARPA architect himself. In 2015, Gage told VICE that “Facebook is the real face of pseudo-LifeLog at this point.” He tellingly added, “We have ended up providing the same kind of detailed personal information to advertisers and data brokers and without arousing the kind of opposition that LifeLog provoked.” Users of Facebook and other large social media platforms have so far been content to allow these platforms to sell their private data so long as they publicly operate as private enterprises. Backlash only really emerged when such activities were publicly tied to the US government, and especially the US military, even though Facebook and other tech giants routinely share their users’ data with the national-security state. In practice, there is little difference between the public and private entities. Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower, notably warned in 2019 that Facebook is just as untrustworthy as US intelligence, stating that “Facebook’s internal purpose, whether they state it publicly or not, is to compile perfect records of private lives to the maximum extent of their capability, and then exploit that for their own corporate enrichment. And drat the consequences.” Snowden also stated in the same interview that “the more Google knows about you, the more Facebook knows about you, the more they are able . . . to create permanent records of private lives, the more influence and power they have over us.” This underscores how both Facebook and intelligence-linked Google have accomplished much of what LifeLog had aimed to do, but on a much larger scale than what DARPA had originally envisioned. The reality is that most of the large Silicon Valley companies of today have been closely linked to the US national-security state establishment since their inception. Notable examples aside from Facebook and Palantir include Google and Oracle. Today these companies are more openly collaborating with the military-intelligence agencies that guided their development and/or provided early funding, as they are used to provide the data needed to fuel the newly announced war on domestic terror and its accompanying algorithms. It is hardly a coincidence that someone like Peter Thiel, who built Palantir with the CIA and helped ensure Facebook’s rise, is also heavily involved in Big Data AI-driven “predictive policing” approaches to surveillance and law enforcement, both through Palantir and through his other investments. TIA, LifeLog, and related government and private programs and institutions launched after 9/11, were always intended to be used against the American public in a war against dissent. This was noted by their critics in 2003-4 and by those who have examined the origins of the “homeland security” pivot in the US and its connection to past CIA “counterterror” programs in Vietnam and Latin America. Ultimately, the illusion of Facebook and related companies as being independent of the US national-security state has prevented a recognition of the reality of social media platforms and their long-intended, yet covert uses, which we are beginning to see move into the open following the events of January 6. Now, with billions of people conditioned to use Facebook and social media as part of their daily lives, the question becomes: If that illusion were to be irrevocably shattered today, would it make a difference to Facebook’s users? Or has the populace become so conditioned to surrendering their private data in exchange for dopamine-fueled social-validation loops that it no longer matters who ends up holding that data?
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A lot of times when people talk about MKUltra never really ending, I always think yeah they just do something different or outside of national borders where it is harder to see but no, they also just do the same stuff. from 2010 https://web.archive.org/web/20100906033652/https://www.sgvtribune.com/ci_15844824?source=email "" posted:CASTAIC - A high-tech ray gun built for the military that fires an invisible heat beam capable of causing unbearable pain will be tested on unruly inmates in the sheriff's detention facility in Castaic, officials said Friday at an unveiling event. so much of this tech is promoted following "non-lethal" legislation, but I read a pretty insightful article yesterday that points out that these technologies, in practice, are never used to supplant previous lethal alternatives, but instead enhance them. accordingly "" posted:The 600-pound, 7-foot-tall device won't replace traditional methods such as tear gas, rubber bullets and batons, Osborne said.
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They'll be used to torture you milliboarding waveboarding
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Inverted Icon posted:waveboarding shockabrah
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lmao National POW/MIA Flag Act posted:The bill changes the days on which the POW/MIA flag is required to be displayed at specified locations to all days on which the U.S. flag is displayed. (Current law requires the POW/MIA flag to be displayed only on Armed Forces Day, Memorial Day, Flag Day, Independence Day, National POW/MIA Recognition Day, and Veterans Day.) introduced by warren
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PuErhTeabag posted:Can you expand on this? gradenko basically did the job for me. what I also recall is that the grassroots activism from where it initially came was horrified at how it evolved. I feel like I read about it somewhere on the forums like 10 years ago. duomo posted:lmao lmao. she's an op too then. Since page 666 there's been some amazing content. Hella spooky, makes me reconsider my life online, and what's most incredible to me is that it's all related to Jeffrey Epstein's cum.
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Backweb posted:gradenko basically did the job for me. what I also recall is that the grassroots activism from where it initially came was horrified at how it evolved. I feel like I read about it somewhere on the forums like 10 years ago. Yeah the thing is I'd picked up on the Vietnam MIA POW thing for a number of years now and it never really occurred to me how it "fit" into the larger narrative of conspiracies and domestic intelligence ops until you get this view from the top from all the Epstein crack pinging
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Backweb posted:gradenko basically did the job for me. what I also recall is that the grassroots activism from where it initially came was horrified at how it evolved. I feel like I read about it somewhere on the forums like 10 years ago. Coo coo ka choo! Warren's not an op, just a bog standard bog ghoul.
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nut posted:A lot of times when people talk about MKUltra never really ending, I always think yeah they just do something different or outside of national borders where it is harder to see but no, they also just do the same stuff. from 2010 lol this is a lot like the tech that was alleged to be used against insurgents, by insurgents, in places we've been shoving the country's dick into. lol and they've been gaslighting them about it for years too
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yeah the thing is I'd picked up on the Vietnam MIA POW thing for a number of years now and it never really occurred to me how it "fit" into the larger narrative of conspiracies and domestic intelligence ops until you get this view from the top from all the Epstein crack pinging Thank you both for filling in some gaps in my knowledge. I only really knew what I'd heard from hearing Vietnam Vets talk about the ones that the government left behind. I didn't know that it was part of manufacturing consent for escalation in Vietnam in the first place.
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Now THIS is some good poo poo Orwell was right: “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.”
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anyone have any insights on all the wal Marts closing and the tunnels under wal mart? I fell down a rabbit hole of looking at wal mart underground tunnels and it’s been fuckin me up.
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ah jade helm...simpler times is there legit information about walmart tunnels share it
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My favorite Jade Helm thing is that it looked an awful lot like a plan for invading Iran
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My big question for all of this is "why?" Like, just when you think you've figured out the grand scheme, you can ask "why?" and not yet have an actual answer. What's the lens to view this through? Like, okay, you got "who" answered. An aggregate of your standard baddies like a cabal of illuminati, the Nazis, mafia, etc. All together, they're the "military industrial complex." Today it's augmented by R&D firms, and mafia informants (who can be conveniently scapegoated). You got the "what" answered. Global network of influence dominated by a small elite. Enforced by state monopolies on violence to keep anyone from getting out of line, plus modern psychology and psychadelics attempting to find ways to create self regulating normies (micro doses of dopamine from farmville). You've got the "where" which is basically everywhere in the west and its client states now. Adversaries do exist, like the former USSR, the Russian mafia state of today, China's own surveillance state, Iran, etc. These are the states which stand in opposition to the modern western MIC. I feel that both the sweeping spread of Nazism and the early USSR in the 20s-40s were enough of an existential threat that the nascent MIC. But when the Nazi state collapsed, its officers were coopted. The Soviets, and today the Chinese, would eventually also decay into their own MICs. The "when" is murkier, but I would assume in the USA the modern MIC coalesced under President Wilson. He initiated a ton of policies which founded the pillars of the MIC. But the real critical juncture was WWII when the mafia got involved to help the old money. But the "why" doesn't make sense. Very little seems strictly political. It's clear that it's not to stop nazism (stop putting kids in cages among other things). And it's not to stop terrorism (stop kicking the bee hive). What perspective should we be viewing it through? A crime lens? A religion lens? Entitled boomers just being boomers? Ancient aliens? Cum? Some questions I've been thinking about based on what the past few pages have suggested, which I have no clue how to answer and thus take as a sign that I am clearly going crazy: Why have a total information awareness singularity? Okay, so now you can monitor everybody and control them. Then what? Don't they already control everything anyway? AI that is human? To automate watching over something? Like what? MIC isn't gonna be interested in a robot keeping your senile grandmother company in the nursing home. Having AI take the reigns and be the new cabal wouldn't make sense either. Ain't no cabal gonna give up their comfort. Then you get to the idea of everybody's brains being interconnected in a computer. I can't believe anybody would want to actually upload their minds into a computer, when so much of this weirdness seems to be related to pleasures of the real world... and cum. Real cum, not cyber pleasure cum. I'd understand if the goal was to live as a hivemind, but what for then? Certainly not to save humanity. We would cease being human, and IRL haven't been doing too good on that front anyway. And if you want to get into weirder territory, if the fringe psychological and psychadelic ideas that pop up in this thread are real, like ESP, etc., why even bother with the computer singularity? Seems like a step backwards. So then, despite everything seeming like it is related (because it is), we still have a model of the world in which nothing seems purposeful, and society is chaos, and sometimes billionaires are pedophiles and have good connections, but there's nothing deeper than that (except it's clear there is). The old saying goes, "don't attribute to malace what can be attributed to stupidity," but man this stupidity is pretty well organized.
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It took like 30 seconds for that text to get posted. Lmao they've cracked through Radium's coding.
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Apr 12, 2021 19:19
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Backweb posted:It took like 30 seconds for that text to get posted. Lmao they've cracked through Radium's coding. so you say it’s about cum?
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Apr 12, 2021 19:31
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Backweb posted:Don't they already control everything anyway? NO!!
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Apr 12, 2021 19:33
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The answer to all of that is capitalism and power, OP
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They're building cages around humanity. Right now you can still sue your boss if he tells you to suck his dick.
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