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the average death across the animal kingdom is eaten alive. the why is hunger, and living in a society doesnt fill some folks up
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gh0stpinballa posted:The answer to all of that is capitalism and power, OP Yeah, but it seems like the are still an awful lot of gaps in how the system actually works. And I guess my "why?" might be too philosophical. I'm thinking like, "we're all gonna die. What's the point in this?" But I'm a prole. I guess when you're Jeffrey, raping kids on a private island, you're not really thinking that same way. mawarannahr posted:so you say it’s about cum? Yeah. I guess I am. edit: The Saucer Hovers posted:the average death across the animal kingdom is eaten alive. the why is hunger, and living in a society doesnt fill some folks up but I feel like it's a step too far back to look at the big picture. Got a middle ground? Backweb has issued a correction as of 19:51 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Apr 12, 2021 19:45
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Backweb posted:My big question for all of this is "why?" basically Capital is like a self-organized demon which eats entropy or complexity or whatever that we've summoned by meddling with productive forces beyond our comprehension and now its mind controlling like 80% of humanity to own ourselves, as a joke.
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I would love to get this thread's opinion on this: I read all about Jose Delgado and Robert Heath and Ewen Cameron and all the outrage that followed after either their work (i.e. Heath's trying to "treat" homosexuality with electrical stimulation of the brain) or in the 70s as CIA docs leaked revealing Bluebird/Artichoke/Ultra. Its really these three that felt some of the hottest heat and had their careers obliterated and somehow were largely wiped from academic history. Nowadays, researchers violently pile onto each other to perform the exact same experiments, most without knowing who they are repeating. Things like cerebellar stim to combat anxiety was pioneered by Heath, wireless stim was pioneered by Delgado, yet they are largely un-referenced, primarily because the modern authors dunno who Heath and Delgado are. Psychiatric drug therapy has returned and we (the royal we that probably doesn't include anyone here) believe this time it is primarily going to be used for good, ignoring parallel studies showing the promise for propanolol to erase memories in PTSD vets, or proposals to use oxytocin for interrogation. So what changed? Why is the same work now being embraced, despite no indication that it is safer or more scientifically sound (at least theoretically, obviously the tech is improved)? Much of the original criticisms in the 70s had nothing to do with technique but were focused on the philosophy behind the work. Have our views of the brain changed? Have changes in diagnostic criteria made us change perspective on these interventions? Maybe the public doesn't know about it? Doesn't care? Is advertised into seeing it as inherently good? Is trusting the science? Perhaps (too conspiratorially), Delgado et al. were sacrificed for posterity? I'd love to hear opinions because I find it very difficult to really describe in a satisfying way what changed between these two eras of science.
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Apr 12, 2021 19:57
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Pretty sure the why is religious in mature tbqh
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Apr 12, 2021 20:09
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Zodium posted:basically Capital is like a self-organized demon which eats entropy or complexity or whatever that we've summoned by meddling with productive forces beyond our comprehension and now its mind controlling like 80% of humanity to own ourselves, as a joke. this was all detailed in the late 2010s’ Cyclonopedia.
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Apr 12, 2021 20:14
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Better propaganda applied more thoroughly and starting at an earlier age
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Apr 12, 2021 21:06
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What!!? You're telling me you Don't Trust Doctors?!!/!??! E: also, I'm not well versed in this, but I would guess that got the censure only after people where, you know, told to be outraged over it. "This research is awful and should be erased" -reviewer and publisher of said research Inverted Icon has issued a correction as of 21:11 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Apr 12, 2021 21:07
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ya I think some movies like the Terminal Man came out and maybe stoked the fire. It's worth noting Heath wasn't even really an MKUltra guy. On paper, he did a 500 dollar study for the CIA on bulbocapnine using monkeys and an inmate. ...though it's worth double noting that he also destroyed all his files when he retired.
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Apr 12, 2021 21:18
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I mean, why does the mafia do what they do? Money and power. Doesn't really seem that different to me
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Apr 12, 2021 21:21
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Apr 12, 2021 21:39
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broke: the vietnam war didn't happen woke: the gulf war didn't happen bespoke: 9/11 didn't happen
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Capital is a Hegelian world spirit whose goal is to subject and destroy the overwhelmingly majority of mankind, if not extinguish the species outright.
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nut posted:ya I think some movies like the Terminal Man came out and maybe stoked the fire. It's worth noting Heath wasn't even really an MKUltra guy. On paper, he did a 500 dollar study for the CIA on bulbocapnine using monkeys and an inmate. I thought you were talking about Heath Ledger for a moment and almost updated my mental XLS files.
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Apr 12, 2021 22:29
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the govt went after the davidians cause they committed the heinous crime of raping children while not rich
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Apr 12, 2021 22:31
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thread lists all the politicians with kid rape/porn charges https://twitter.com/ResusCGMedia/status/1379449529808777223?s=20 it’s longer than my bed bath & beyond receipt 
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Apr 12, 2021 23:07
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mdemone posted:totally okay that he spelled his name wrong on the board Still can't stop thinking about this
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Apr 13, 2021 01:44
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Happy Thread posted:Still can't stop thinking about this ill be washing dishes or in the shower and that picture will pop into my head and ill find myself arguing about how the hell that would come to be. somehow, for me, that is the most hosed up aspect of this whole thing 
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Apr 13, 2021 01:55
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Delta-Wye posted:ill be washing dishes or in the shower and that picture will pop into my head and ill find myself arguing about how the hell that would come to be. Funny thing is, I didn't even notice when I posted it. Just thought it was an ominous photo. It's the little things. Backweb posted:My big question for all of this is "why?" Everyone who has ever thought through the repercussions of brain-computer interfaces comes up with the same thing, a goal of achieving their will through total enslavement of a group. Everyone winds up at the Borg. Or the Yeerks. Same thing. The issue is the stalemate that is reached when the ruling class works on this hivemind project together collaboratively. Which particular crime boss gets the most control over the slave network? Who gets the most personal slaves, and which powerful figures end up being reduced to enslaved tools themselves? That stalemate could last forever. But why break it? As long as it's them developing it, why break it? They're already enjoying their positions on top of the world. A mass deployment would be unnecessary if the goal is to just maintain the status quo where they rule, and the workers of the world already mostly slave away for them anyway. So as long as mythical tools like "hiveminds" are wielded by the class that already enjoys the upper hand, I would only expect to see it deployed on a tiny scale, targeted more precisely against the single most obnoxious threats to their communal status quo. It would be low-profile to whisk some off to a black site for hypnosis training Get Out style, then a surprise surgery one day. It sounds impossible, probably still is today, but sensory/motor interference and eavesdropping with nerve implants is a much less hard milestone to reach than total brain mapping, and they've got the researchers for it that no one else does. What better reason to fund programs to feed so much data about the human experience into machines than to eventually tap into human minds directly and have the machine consider the signal to be more than just noise. But they've got no reason to do it to all of us, being who they are already. Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 02:51 on Apr 13, 2021 |
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Apr 13, 2021 02:43
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still can’t believe pelosi bought a milly of roblox stock I was wondering why twitter started ads for it like a month ago
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Apr 13, 2021 02:55
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Happy Thread posted:Funny thing is, I didn't even notice when I posted it. Just thought it was an ominous photo. It's the little things. i mean, can u really hold it against corbyn when apparently even epstine couldn't keep it straight? https://www.timesofisrael.com/jeremy-corbyn-mispronounces-jeffrey-epsteins-name-and-critics-have-a-field-day/
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Apr 13, 2021 02:57
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Like so many people with unexplained success, (edit: MIC) funding and assistance fell from the heavens onto Zuck's lap. How much of the movie The Social Network was just bullshit then? Are Americans aware that there have been hundreds of thousands of erotic fanfics written about that movie, many pre-dating all the archive sites for them? I just learned this. The authors would be heartbroken to know it was fabricated
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Happy Thread posted:Like so many people with unexplained success, funding and assistance fell from the heavens onto Zuck's lap. How much of the movie The Social Network was just bullshit then? Are Americans aware that there have been hundreds of thousands of erotic fanfics written about that movie, pre-dating all the archive sites for them? I just learned this. The authors would be heartbroken to know it was untrue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog The DARPA program was canceled in late January, 2004, after criticism from civil libertarians concerning the privacy implications of the system..[4][5] https://www.wired.com/2004/02/pentagon-kills-lifelog-project/ quote:The Pentagon canceled its so-called LifeLog project, an ambitious effort to build a database tracking a person's entire existence. quote:
it doesn’t matter if it’s a conspiracy theory or not — the way it has worked out has really worked out!
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Apr 13, 2021 05:20
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David Packard of Hewlett-Packard:quote:Upon entering office in 1969, President Richard M. Nixon appointed Packard U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense under Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird.[6] Packard resigned in December 1971[16][17] and returned to Hewlett-Packard in 1972 as Chairman of the Board.[12] From "Soldiers of Reason":  (Irving Kristol there being Bill Kristol's dad, and Norman Podhoretz being Jon Podhoretz's dad) anyway it's a pretty safe bet any kind of huge tech breakthrough is backed by the deep state
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Apr 13, 2021 05:28
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gradenko_2000 posted:David Packard of Hewlett-Packard: Irving Kristol was a legitimate organizer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Intellectuals posted:The New York Intellectuals were a group of American writers and literary critics based in New York City in the mid-20th century. Mostly Jews, they advocated left-wing politics but were also firmly anti-Stalinist. The group is known for having sought to integrate literary theory with Marxism and socialism while rejecting Soviet socialism as a workable or acceptable political model. mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 05:35 on Apr 13, 2021 |
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Apr 13, 2021 05:33
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I feel bad not knowing off hand specifically what she's talking about
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Apr 13, 2021 05:36
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It makes sense that Zuck seemed like such a bumblinh idiot whenever he was put in the hot seat about abusing private data. https://youtu.be/nXrKKwHmPz4 He had no clue how to explain how he was keeping data safe because lol he wasn't. Around the 2:00 mark he starts sweating like crazy. I recall sometime around 2004/5, as Facebook took off everywhere, his private chats with friends were leaked, and he was like "people are giving away their personal data for free. loving idiots." It also makes more sense why he was always trying to get Facebook into China.
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Inspector Hound posted:I feel bad not knowing off hand specifically what she's talking about https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...7fe5_story.html Lol it's all tied together
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Apr 13, 2021 05:46
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Inspector Hound posted:I feel bad not knowing off hand specifically what she's talking about Oklahoma City bombing of 1995. In which a federal office building, the Murrah Building, was completely destroyed. Authorities pinned solely on Timothy McVeigh, who the thread was cracking and pinging about a few weeks back.
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Apr 13, 2021 05:52
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The only other thing I could think of was the Vegas shooting, a completely routine mass shooting with nothing unusual about it
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Apr 13, 2021 05:58
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duomo posted:lmao POW/MIA Wow Chow
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nut posted:So what changed? Why is the same work now being embraced, despite no indication that it is safer or more scientifically sound (at least theoretically, obviously the tech is improved)? Much of the original criticisms in the 70s had nothing to do with technique but were focused on the philosophy behind the work. Have our views of the brain changed? Have changes in diagnostic criteria made us change perspective on these interventions? Maybe the public doesn't know about it? Doesn't care? Is advertised into seeing it as inherently good? Is trusting the science? Perhaps (too conspiratorially), Delgado et al. were sacrificed for posterity? the 70s still had militant working class movements in the US. by the 2000s the left was defeated and capital was ascendant.
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mdemone posted:totally okay that he spelled his name wrong on the board lol it was his first day as a spy. spelling his spy persona name was hard. cut him some slack. he was probably born Roy Gutierrez, and was given the persona of a billionaire pedophile. you know, to stop the Soviets or whatever.
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Apr 13, 2021 06:17
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I imagine he was demonstrating to the children possible misspellings of his name. I’m sure I’ve seen a teacher with a similarly exotic name do something like that. relax
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Apr 13, 2021 06:22
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paul_soccer12 posted:broke: the vietnam war didn't happen
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Backweb posted:lol it was his first day as a spy. spelling his spy persona name was hard. cut him some slack. mawarannahr posted:I imagine he was demonstrating to the children possible misspellings of his name. I’m sure I’ve seen a teacher with a similarly exotic name do something like that. relax WHAT THE 
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Apr 13, 2021 06:41
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mawarannahr posted:I imagine he was demonstrating to the children possible misspellings of his name. I’m sure I’ve seen a teacher with a similarly exotic name do something like that. relax A Jewish name in a high society new York school sure is exotic
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Apr 13, 2021 06:43
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"Epstine," but written with a backwards "s" and "e." In crayon.
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Apr 13, 2021 06:58
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Backweb posted:"Epstine," but written with a backwards "s" and "e." This is why you shouldn't let your girlfriend be your TA when you're not even qualified for the job yourself.
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New spy movie franchise where, instead of stopping terrorists, the main character just sexually assaults children in a classroom setting.
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