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Chalupa Joe posted:Unless you're playing fretless, the strings shouldn't be touching the fretboard anyway. Are you saying beginners shouldn't play fretless guitars? But also, the strings shouldn't touch the body either, any tonewood effect is from vibrations being transferred to the wood either by touch or just by being close to the vibration. (And personally my main issue with tonewood is that there is no way electric guitars are loud enough to vibrate the solid wood meaningfully.)
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...the strings are connected to the neck and the body through the frets and the saddles. Those obviously transmit energy to the guitar because you can feel it vibrate against your chest when you play. That’s how headstock tuners work.
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Apr 15, 2021 09:58
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Chalupa Joe posted:Unless you're playing fretless, the strings shouldn't be touching the fretboard anyway. Siivola posted:...the strings are connected to the neck and the body through the frets and the saddles. Those obviously transmit energy to the guitar because you can feel it vibrate against your chest when you play. That’s how headstock tuners work. This and the fretboard material, or maybe more significantly, whether the fretboard is a separate piece of wood, will contribute to how rigid the neck is and how it vibrates or affects how the strings vibrate. That said, whether it has a predictable or even noticeable effect on the sound passed through the pickups to the amp is an entirely different question. I love Isbell, he's a genius songwriter, but he's a notorious gear nerd for all the good and the bad that entails.
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Apr 15, 2021 12:10
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BonHair posted:(And personally my main issue with tonewood is that there is no way electric guitars are loud enough to vibrate the solid wood meaningfully.) We don't notice the sound of the body of a lot of guitars because modern pickups tend to be less microphonic, but vintage style pickups that are not as aggressively potted will pick up a lot more body vibrations. It really ends up being like a subtle EQ most of the time, but sometimes it's not subtle at all. There's a reason the best sounding electric guitars sound good unplugged.
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Apr 15, 2021 14:36
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I have 2 80s cheapo bolt on guitars, an SG and a Les, probably Korean... both have microphonic pickups and it's great. They sound nice and open and you can "play" your feedback by angling the guitar around. But how would I recreate that with a different guitar? Would anyone make a "good" pickup that's noisy and unpotted?
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Apr 15, 2021 14:54
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Chrpno posted:I have 2 80s cheapo bolt on guitars, an SG and a Les, probably Korean... both have microphonic pickups and it's great. They sound nice and open and you can "play" your feedback by angling the guitar around. But how would I recreate that with a different guitar? Would anyone make a "good" pickup that's noisy and unpotted? A lot of vintage style PAF pickups tend to be unpotted, or less aggressively potted at least. "open" sounding is exactly right. Aggressively potted pickups are tighter and more focused, but the top end tends to be a bit choked. It's not for every type of music, but if you wanna be super expressive it's tough to beat.
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Apr 15, 2021 15:17
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Degaussed and unpotted baybeeee. Slap them in an ES-335 and turn the Plexi all the way up. SHRREEEEEEEEEK
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Apr 15, 2021 17:10
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I wonder if I can get a better price on this it's p sweet: https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ant/msg/d/acton-have-rare-yamaha-bx-bass-will/7295117147.html
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Apr 15, 2021 17:21
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That's not stupid music poo poo. Headless is the way of the future. More seriously, I don't think they're a double ball system, so you won't have to pauperize yourself for strings.
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Apr 15, 2021 18:34
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Rifter17 posted:If you have $15k laying around, you can get a Birdfish guitar. The cylinders parallel to the neck are under tension from the neck to the bridge and can be swapped. This is more of a body tone wood replacement though. what in the name of gently caress i mean, i get strandbergs, but this looks like slightly understated memphis design
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Apr 15, 2021 18:42
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Lester Shy posted:I'd love for some genius to come up with a 100% modular guitar so you could do hot-swap tests to see what does and does not matter re: a guitar's sound. A lot of side-by-side comparisons on Youtube are useless because they involve a fresh set of strings, which will inherently have a huge impact on tone. Oops, originally came to post this : https://youtu.be/Hbyg0d1njk0 Tim Sway does a lot of fun DIY guitar and bass stuff, and tone wood stuff aside, the modular guitar thing is pretty cool.
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Apr 15, 2021 18:43
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BonHair posted:Are you saying beginners shouldn't play fretless guitars? Nobody should play fretless guitars.
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Apr 15, 2021 19:57
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As someone who owns a fretless Agile, I agree. I remember showing it to my guitar instructor in college and he was like, "Does a guitar really need to be harder to play?" Also the tone is... strange.
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Apr 15, 2021 20:22
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It's weird, fretless bass is cool, and violins and friends are fine, but not guitars, even if you never play more than two strings at a time. Chords gotta be impossible without frets though. I want a fretless guitar. Even though I never got along with my fretless bass. I'm the guy in the thread title. No, not Vai.
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Apr 15, 2021 20:38
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 Rock-god.jpg From this article, which is certainly something: https://guitar.com/features/opinion-analysis/the-epochal-renaissance-of-the-multi-neck-guitar/
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Apr 15, 2021 22:17
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That looks like Jimmy Page though? 
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Apr 16, 2021 00:43
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Chalupa Joe posted:Unless you're playing fretless, the strings shouldn't be touching the fretboard anyway. alright, I'll take the I'm-obviously-self-taught hit and bite: what the gently caress are you supposed to hold the string down but not all the way down if that's the case, why aren't the frets taller just what
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Apr 16, 2021 01:02
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hexwren posted:alright, I'll take the I'm-obviously-self-taught hit and bite: what the gently caress You should be fretting with just enough pressure for the note to come out clean. Your finger really shouldn't touch the fretboard much at all.
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Apr 16, 2021 01:10
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sigher posted:That looks like Jimmy Page though? 
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Apr 16, 2021 01:58
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hexwren posted:alright, I'll take the I'm-obviously-self-taught hit and bite: what the gently caress Maybe he has scalloped frets. Gramps posted:You should be fretting with just enough pressure for the note to come out clean. Your finger really shouldn't touch the fretboard much at all. This isn't true at all. sigher fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Apr 16, 2021 02:32
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sigher posted:This isn't true at all. If you're pushing any harder than it takes to get the note out clean you're wasting energy, straining needlessly, and potentially pushing the note sharp. My fingers seldom touch the board, and my strings almost never do
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Apr 16, 2021 02:43
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Brother, I got that Kung Fu grip and I let that poo poo rip.
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Apr 16, 2021 03:21
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I can't believe this was the intended sound when they designed this. I would best describe it as like the sound of a duck eating your rear end when you have terminal diarrhea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0gp-qmjmdg
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Apr 16, 2021 03:26
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:I wonder if I can get a better price on this it's p sweet: I swear that one has been on LA Craigslist for years. I was looking for a bass companion to my SGV-800 for a while a couple years back so I was searching Yamaha Bass pretty regularly and that thing was always there, including the offer of trade.
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Apr 16, 2021 03:52
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:I can't believe this was the intended sound when they designed this. I would best describe it as like the sound of a duck eating your rear end when you have terminal diarrhea. oo this thing rules
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Apr 16, 2021 04:46
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hexwren posted:if that's the case, why aren't the frets taller Making good contact with the fret is the important part about fingering, the fretboard is there just to keep the frets on. Some people (Yngwie) scoop grooves into it because they feel it gets in the way
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Apr 16, 2021 05:05
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Stop fretting about everything. 
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Apr 16, 2021 05:19
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The string will touch the fretboard if you're not Yngwie. But the vibrating part won't though. I don't know how much it matters honestly, but it seems relevant.
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Apr 16, 2021 06:08
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Not necessarily. I can play all of my plain Jane non-scalloped guitars without touching the fingerboard. I have to really focus on using a light touch, but it's totally doable and gets much easier with practice.
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Apr 16, 2021 06:19
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Yeah, my LP has big rear end frets and needs a light touch or the notes go waay out of tune. The strings never come near the fretboard. OTOH I can wring the gently caress outta the neck on my tele and never hit a bum note.
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Apr 16, 2021 09:45
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The whole rosewood v maple thing has gotta be at least 90% psychosomatic even if there was a way to quantify the difference, but you'd never have two guitars identical enough save for that one factor to test it.
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Apr 16, 2021 21:19
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I mean, if your string's not supposed to touch the wood, who gives a gently caress what the neck is made of
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Apr 16, 2021 21:21
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hexwren posted:I mean, if your string's not supposed to touch the wood, who gives a gently caress what the neck is made of some woods are nice to touch, and smell, and look at, and make me feel good for buying them instead of many dozens of burritos.
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Apr 16, 2021 21:25
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Despite my earlier posts, I have very deliberately only bought maple necks after actually learning to play and care about instruments. This is entirely because I prefer the feel. I dunno if JEMs come in maple though, when I eventually get one.
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Apr 16, 2021 21:29
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BonHair posted:Despite my earlier posts, I have very deliberately only bought maple necks after actually learning to play and care about instruments. This is entirely because I prefer the feel. I dunno if JEMs come in maple though, when I eventually get one. I know at least the floral print ones do. Some of the early white ones had ebony boards which is somewhat comparable.
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Apr 16, 2021 21:30
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Maple looks better who cares 
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Apr 16, 2021 22:18
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My fretless 5 string bass with maple fretboard looks baller. After some initial pains, it also plays real nice.
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Apr 17, 2021 00:31
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Gramps posted:If you're pushing any harder than it takes to get the note out clean you're wasting energy, straining needlessly, and potentially pushing the note sharp. My fingers seldom touch the board, and my strings almost never do There's a lot of factors to take into consideration here outside of pressure: barre chords, finger rolls, strings, acoustic electric, if you're muting strings with your left hand so you're 1 finger isn't exactly on it's point, how soft someone's skin is, thumb-over fretting/muting. There's plenty of times where you touch the fretboard.
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Apr 17, 2021 01:02
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Wark Say posted:My fretless 5 string bass with maple fretboard looks baller. Whoa really? Parts/project instrument? My fretless is a black StingRay 5 with pau ferro* and it’s handsome and all, but I’ve always wondered what I would maybe want to buy/build if lacquered maple fretless was an option I could take seriously. *For an instrument that was supposedly made by a reputable company, the fact that it wouldn’t set up right without an enormous shim and required quite a bit of radius block sanding to correct the rising tongue, I understand the ‘I like it after a struggle’ energy. At least I can pull the made-25-years-ago and unknown habits of the previous owner cards on mine.
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It's a Schecter... I wanna say a Stiletto? That I bought because there was this concern that the bass player from one of my two bands was going to quit. It's all yellow and it's so fun to play, even if I'm still working on my finger-plucking technique.
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