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Popete posted:Every space video game has had short range space missiles because it makes sense from a game play perspective. Actual space combat would make for an incredibly boring game, you'd never see your enemy and you'd in all likelihood just randomly die without ever having a clue someone was trying to shoot at you when they poke a hole in your ship from 1000 miles away. Yeah space combat is inherently impractical as scifi imagined it. You'd just use drones and long range torpedoes instead. Warships have very little use other than as long range missile platforms. Its just a liability to get into close range.
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Gort posted:Someone should just do straight-up World War 2 in space, with pressurised Spitfires and BF109s going at it That's pretty much 40k orc flyboys And yeah its cool as gently caress
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# ? Apr 19, 2021 23:17 |
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Why even build warships. Just drop an asteroid or tungsten rods.
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# ? Apr 19, 2021 23:18 |
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https://i.imgur.com/t3SqfIq.mp4
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Why even build warships. Just drop an asteroid or tungsten rods. From what
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# ? Apr 19, 2021 23:20 |
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Pfft military spaceships are just a way to hoover up contracts in return for jobs jobs jobs. The real way to conquer another world is to spend a decade or two tailoring political memetics to topple their government
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The Titanic posted:Just make your assets 4K and the game will basically build itself. If people start talking about the missiles, tell them about the new tiles they can buy; but only if they are discerning "investors". Remember the key is to pick out the big spenders and cater to them and screw everybody else wanting those dumb "results" and nonsense that slow down the whole flavor of game development. They just don't get it. i have a palette of 22 colors and some pixel art. so i think im ready to start selling PNGs. early days, new money only.
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For anyone ITT who may need it: https://twitter.com/unity3d/status/1356286839905112067
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Virtual Captain posted:For anyone ITT who may need it: How much for a copy signed by Chris Roberts and Derek Smart?
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 01:21 |
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... no way that's a cat.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 03:04 |
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That cat needs an elevated feeding bowl. Scooping like that is bad for their health.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 03:15 |
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Sarsapariller posted:It does not and will never have this. You would have to perform collision checks for every bullet fired, forever. Yup. Or perhaps it's basic-bitch CryEngine FPS combat on a normal-sized map and broken, and guns have greatly diminished range and properties to reflect how everything is teeny-tiny to provide the illusion of a very large map? I'd bet a dollar there's at least a few programmers at CIG who don't know for sure.
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Gort posted:Someone should just do straight-up World War 2 in space, with pressurised Spitfires and BF109s going at it Every crobert game has been ww2 in space anyway and the movie was hot rod ww2 in space.
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Virtual Captain posted:For anyone ITT who may need it:
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 09:07 |
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quote:If we are talking realism, we must first understand how RL missiles work. I'm lost for words. I'd pay good money to the author for them to go explain missile physics on a DCS reddit/forum.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 09:14 |
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FishMcCool posted:I'm lost for words. The odd engagement envelope graph of ∆v is really confusing (unless you've murdered a Kerbal or three), I agree. I would also pay good money to watch the collision between DCS missile freakery and the citizen kind.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 09:17 |
to be fair missiles do go farther in space (but not a2a missiles fighters usually use). But only if rocket nozzles are optimized for it. That is if the missile isnt using ramjet or somethingquote:In space, there is no atmosphere and the rudders are useless, which is why the missile must always utilize fuel to maneuver. This dramatically reduces the missile’s range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMSfg26YSQ quote:In the real world, a missile does not have a lot of fuel. What happens when you fire an air-to-air missile is it fires upwards to the highest possible altitude (unless the target is in dogfight range), quickly burning out its fuel (which lasts for a very short distance), and the rest of the way “glides” in air using its rudders. It is however true that missile does usually loft to target. since less air resistance the less drag there is for missile, making maintaining speed easier, basically missile will climb to optimize for maintaining speed instead of altitude. unless highest possible altitude is because of lift missile would generate going forward instead of up, then sure altitude part could be true and another option for highest possible altitude optimization is if the warhead has second terminal boost phase like aim120 has for regaining speed. Dark Off fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 10:05 |
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The missile knows where it is by knowing where it isn't, and by subtracting the places it isn't from the places where it wasn't...
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 10:28 |
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Strategic Tea posted:The missile knows where it is by knowing where it isn't, and by subtracting the places it isn't from the places where it wasn't... Now I finally understand how missiles don't work in star citizer
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Dark Off posted:to be fair missiles do go farther in space. But only if rocket nozzles are optimized for it. That is if the missile isnt using ramjet or something
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 10:51 |
Dwesa posted:thanks for this informative post, I knew that backer is wrong (not just because it is SC backer), but I only had some intuitive notions like "missiles flying to highest possible altitude sounds dumb and I don't think I ever saw it happen on some video of missiles" im no expert on subject. and it seems to be more complex the more i google about reality. For example meteors being ramjets really makes the flight profile different from something like aim120 Also anyone enjoying realism should try out dcs world even if it is horribly expensive game riddle with ridiculously expensive dlc's. Its like what if CIG actually made a game in addition of fleecing nerds and was bit less greedy. (dcs is slowly getting greedier for example super carrier dlc. only brings carrier with mocapped crew into the game) Dark Off fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Dwesa posted:thanks for this informative post, I knew that backer is wrong (not just because it is SC backer), but I only had some intuitive notions like "missiles flying to highest possible altitude sounds dumb and I don't think I ever saw it happen on some video of missiles" I think the only reasonable period where he might've been right are ground-ground missiles in roughly WW2 era or slightly before it. And even there the missiles didn't go for highest altitude (that'd be obviously straight up), but roughly copied ballistic curve (roughly because the engine allows them to have even better flying profile).
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Sanya Juutilainen posted:I think the only reasonable period where he might've been right are ground-ground missiles in roughly WW2 era or slightly before it. And even there the missiles didn't go for highest altitude (that'd be obviously straight up), but roughly copied ballistic curve (roughly because the engine allows them to have even better flying profile). quite the opposite actually since early missiles didnt have lofting. also highest altitude might not be directly upwards since missiles do generate lift when going forward, which would make highest possible altitude more plausible thing, if it also maintains speed. edit:ah you mean something like stalin's organs in which case disregard the above. I was thinking of early rockets/ guided missiles. Dark Off fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Dwesa posted:thanks for this informative post, I knew that backer is wrong (not just because it is SC backer), but I only had some intuitive notions like "missiles flying to highest possible altitude sounds dumb and I don't think I ever saw it happen on some video of missiles" I think the only reasonable period where he might've been right are ground-ground missiles in roughly WW2 era or slightly before it. And even there the missiles didn't go for highest altitude (that'd be obviously straight up), but roughly copied ballistic curve (roughly because the engine allows them to have even better flying profile).
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Welcome to Star Citizen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkrdnz2idBw Curious lack of bugs and server crashes, but otherwise I guess it's not that misleading - except for some mining, there is no gameplay shown, only visuals and chariots.
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Dark Off posted:im no expert on subject. and it seems to be more complex the more i google about reality. For example meteors being ramjets really makes the flight profile different from something like aim120 And for missiles-in-space with trajectory and delta-v considerations, I can't recommend enough Children of a Dead Earth. It sells for almost nothing and is criminally underknown. In the realm of "what would space warfare look like?", I don't think anything else even remotely touches it.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 11:30 |
He's not wrong that the missiles have no air to steer with but that doesn't make them short range it just mean you can shoot them to the other side of the solar system but then they only get a few changes of direction to intercept in the bank if the target starts using its fuel to move. Hence I recommend swarms of large unmanned missiles drones full of atomic bombs and fuel going really really fast.FishMcCool posted:And for missiles-in-space with trajectory and delta-v considerations, I can't recommend enough Children of a Dead Earth. It sells for almost nothing and is criminally underknown. In the realm of "what would space warfare look like?", I don't think anything else even remotely touches it. Yeah go play this game, it's niche and good.
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I think they might be confusing stuff like ballistic/cruise missiles, top attack anti tank missiles, high altitude surface to air missiles, and probably something they saw in an anime one time.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 11:47 |
The longer range A2A missiles will climb up quite high above their target into the stratosphere to extend their range though but they don't go straight up.
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Dwesa posted:Welcome to Star Citizen I often go back to this Eve Online trailer as an example of a perfect MMO ad. I've played Eve and it's not the game for me, but regardless that ad gets me hyped up. That SC video tries to showcase the best the game has to offer and it's just totally milquetoast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqoxRcP5kbo
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:You know, sometimes I think CIG hasn’t really thought all this through... It now is abundantly clear to me that the mashing up of the different iterations of this thread constitutes more of a coherent design plan than anything CIG might have produced in those 10 years. They seem to be faking it until they can make it but without actually really trying. In short, it's a scam.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 14:08 |
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I'm glad we covered the missile situation. I don't know much about missiles but I was like 99% sure that didn't sound correct at all. I know that missiles have lift surfaces (of course) but I was pretty sure that they don't really have active flaps or anything and use thrust vectoring or separate maneuvering thrusters.
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Fidelitious posted:I'm glad we covered the missile situation. I don't know much about missiles but I was like 99% sure that didn't sound correct at all. Nah most long/med range AA missiles have control surfaces known as control actuation systems or CAS.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 14:34 |
Fidelitious posted:I'm glad we covered the missile situation. I don't know much about missiles but I was like 99% sure that didn't sound correct at all. the options are grid fins space-x style https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-77 fins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-27_(air-to-air_missile) thrust vectoring: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIS-T seems like i cant find example of maneuvering thrusters so that might have just been a failed prototype thing.
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Bootcha posted:As an attempt at an honest answer... Beautiful! This is like the anti-Desiderata.
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Dark Off posted:im no expert on subject. and it seems to be more complex the more i google about reality. For example meteors being ramjets really makes the flight profile different from something like aim120 DCS is cool but every time I bring it up in the Star Citizen thread I feel like a shill. It's important to remind people that DCS also has some lovely business practices (overpriced non-plane DLC like you mentioned, early access planes that get no updates for months/years, etc). They're better than CIG, but hell, who isn't? Fidelitious posted:I'm glad we covered the missile situation. I don't know much about missiles but I was like 99% sure that didn't sound correct at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op7n8I2_Dkc guided missiles are cool until you look up how much they cost and think about what else that money could go towards. (modern long-range AA missiles cost roughly $550,000. each.)
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Trillhouse posted:guided missiles are cool until you look up how much they cost and think about what else that money could go towards. (modern long-range AA missiles cost roughly $550,000. each.) That's just a few Legatus packages at the end of the day. And the AAAA game that comes with the Legatus has a lot more content than your AA missile.
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# ? Apr 20, 2021 19:17 |
Raytheon and CIG really aren't so different. Hundreds of millions of dollars are funneled into their projects and all that's left at the end is a big explosion and then nothing.
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If CIGs offices burned down in a fire, the detective who would investigate it would have a nightmare sorting all the possible suspects and motives. ACAB.
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