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zoux posted:It's actually a pretty good deal and we should pay it! It would represent 2% of our annual foreign aid budget. Agreed. Bolsanaro's loving it up but Brazil is a rising power and giving them a billion to get on their good side would honestly be money well-spent from a foreign policy perspective even without environmental benefits. No sense loving up a win-win situation on principle imo.
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sean10mm posted:Weren't Norse symbols appropriated already by... the original Nazis? Give that man a coconut
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Honestly giving countries with massive forests a "Hey thanks for the oxygen/carbon capture" would be a nice way to slow deforestation and climate change
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Xand_Man posted:Honestly giving countries with massive forests a "Hey thanks for the oxygen/carbon capture" would be a nice way to slow deforestation and climate change Yeah it would be, but I doubt it will help in the case of giving Bolsanaro money because historically negotiating with fascists never works out.
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Xand_Man posted:Honestly giving countries with massive forests a "Hey thanks for the oxygen/carbon capture" would be a nice way to slow deforestation and climate change The only way to make people be good on a systemic level is to make being good be profitable or being bad be punishable.
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zoux posted:It's actually a pretty good deal and we should pay it! It would represent 2% of our annual foreign aid budget. What? No. Just...no. Brazilian speaking here. It's not lack of cash hampering rainforest preservation. Bozo's enviromnment minister, Salles, is fully and openly in the pocket of big local farmers and illegal loggers. He has exonerated tons of forest police, both state and federal, who actually did their jobs, and 'legalized' massive amounts of endangered wood from illegal areas so it could be sold internationally. Officers of IBAMA, the preservation office, have denounced him and signed statements about his corruption and graft for two years now. He's as much on the ball on stopping the devastation as US police is in rooting out the "bad apples" in the force. It's not an accident, it's a project, and they don't even hide it all that well. Last year they were arresting green NGO people and blaming them for starting the fires, while laughing about it on Twitter. Give him any money and he'll slash and burn twice as much, pocket 20% of it and present ou with some fake numbers on a sheet saying he's the savior of the amazon or that Cuba is the one starting fires. PS- Enjoy his campaign poster in which he advocated shooting wildlife, leftists, landless peasants.  Sephyr fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Yeah it was like each primary candidate went calmly to their own floor and waited for Trump take them each out Enter the Dragon* style. *Game of Death
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Sephyr posted:What? No. Just...no. But you see he says he won't
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Doctor Butts posted:Just because you disassociated from a White Supremacist gang doesn't mean you're no longer a white supremacist. I'm not that guy but I am super upset about that as well. I'm like 40% Swedish from my Mom's side and I grew up with my grandmother feeding me pickled fish from jars and teaching me Swedish. It kind of sucks to have all this cool poo poo as part of your heritage and basically have to dumpster it.
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The NY Times got confirmation that Biden himself was the reason that the refugee admission promises were broken, which prompted backlash last week https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/1384909080976928779?s=20 quote:WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken was in the Oval Office, pleading with President Biden.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The NY Times got confirmation that Biden himself was the reason that the refugee admission promises were broken, which prompted backlash last week Just sad. Completely idiotic move by him.
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I hope that its not whitenoise posting to say gently caress Biden on that decision. I understand we are having issues with the volume of migrants but there's got to be a better way of addressing it than keeping in racist refugee caps.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The NY Times got confirmation that Biden himself was the reason that the refugee admission promises were broken, which prompted backlash last week The headline makes it sound like Stephen Miller's quota is still in place. It isn't, they announced that they'll increase it and give a new number by mid-May.
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ryde posted:I hope that its not whitenoise posting to say gently caress Biden on that decision. I understand we are having issues with the volume of migrants but there's got to be a better way of addressing it than keeping in racist refugee caps. I mean, I don't think so, it's not whitenoise. Biden's been making a lot of surprisingly good moves and making it feel like we got off better than we could have with him, but it exists simultaneously with extremely disappointing, hideous leadership calls like this that need to get a lot of attention and compel (in a way which was never possible with R's) an about-face if possible.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The NY Times got confirmation that Biden himself was the reason that the refugee admission promises were broken, which prompted backlash last week least we know if someone tells biden he is loving up bad, he will walk back on the bad poo poo and try to do the good poo poo. goethe.cx posted:The headline makes it sound like Stephen Miller's quota is still in place. It isn't, they announced that they'll increase it and give a new number by mid-May. this. generic one posted:I think the backlash they got on that was totally fair, and I still have doubts about the justification, but I do think it’s worthwhile noting that they actually took the criticism seriously and backtracked pretty quickly. It was a totally unforced error, though. absolutely. i am glad they listened.
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ryde posted:I understand we are having issues with the volume of migrants... This is accepting right-wing framing for absolutely no reason
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FlamingLiberal posted:The NY Times got confirmation that Biden himself was the reason that the refugee admission promises were broken, which prompted backlash last week give him a chance! it's only been CURRENT_DATE minus 2020JAN21 days!
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ryde posted:I understand we are having issues with the volume of migrants Are we?
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Euphoriaphone posted:This is accepting right-wing framing for absolutely no reason I apologize if it is, but my understanding is that Trump dismantled our ability to process normal amounts of migrants so the current, normal levels outpace our ability to process them. I'm not saying that there's a surge, but rather the departments to handle it were gutted under a racist administration.
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Sephyr posted:What? No. Just...no. This. Some of the "analysis" that goes on in here reads like high school sophomores doing babby's first foreign policy exercise. Sure, pay off the loving fascist strongman, surely he's dealing in good faith! Good lord Christ were some of y'all literally born yesterday?
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goethe.cx posted:The headline makes it sound like Stephen Miller's quota is still in place. It isn't, they announced that they'll increase it and give a new number by mid-May. It is still in place until then
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Biden hosed up. Everyone told him he hosed up. He went "oh I hosed up" and changed it. Like, I understand calling Biden out for being a regressive shithead on this initially, but fixing a gently caress up is exactly what you want in leaders.
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ryde posted:I apologize if it is, but my understanding is that Trump dismantled our ability to process normal amounts of migrants so the current, normal levels outpace our ability to process them. I think this is more or less true, but don't think it creates a meaningful enough way to say that biden's decision to hold literally Stephen Miller levels intact was reasonable or well-informed. Put immigration processes back to their original, much more humane intentions and it impels action to fix the intentional dismantling of the capacity. Keep the immigration processes at the new levels and it normalizes it and erodes any compulsion to fix it at all.
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The cap coverage from the NYT was and is a complete load of poo poo and I'm going to have to write something up about circular journalism and framing effects for the media lit thread based on it. The admin did not "backtrack", there was not a final determination on the cap, it was entirely a dishonest framing of an admin decision on a different part of the process as a final order. The NYT article started with three paragraphs with zero context or responses or sources on the determination, then the entire drat body of the article got swapped out for the angry responses to the first version. They released a false framing of the determination, then promoted the reaction to that dishonest framing, then promoted the admin reaction to that reaction. The parallel Hill coverage actually acts as a fantastic instrument to understand how they keep duping people because it was a rewrite of an AP wire article. You can read the two side-by-side and know that each word of change (starting with swapping "determination" for "order") was a deliberate editorial decision by the Hill for rageclicks. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Saxophone posted:Biden hosed up. I would actually like leaders that don't step on a big landmine labeled racism after they promised they would not and while everyone keeps shouting at them to not step on the big landmine.
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It's quite something how Sinema's entire persona before 2018 was completely fake. https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1385002340252635137
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Discendo Vox posted:The cap coverage from the NYT was and is a complete load of poo poo and I'm going to have to write something up about circular journalism and framing effects for the media lit thread based on it. The admin did not "backtrack", there was not a final determination on the cap, it was entirely a dishonest framing of an admin decision on a different part of the process as a final order, then promoting the reaction to that dishonest framing, then promoting the admin reaction to that reaction. The NYT article started with three paragraphs with zero context or responses or sources on the determination, then the entire drat body of the article got swapped out for the angry responses to the first version. Biden admin put out a plan to increase the cap then let it sit for two months while aid groups begged to him to increase it as the plan promised. I'm very glad that Biden is finally planning to increase the cap but that doesn't change the fact that the cap hasn't been raised yet and people are getting screwed over in the meantime because of it.
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Piell posted:Biden admin put out a plan to increase the cap then let it sit for two months while aid groups begged to him to increase it. I'm very glad that Biden is finally planning to increase the cap but that doesn't change the fact that the cap hasn't been raised yet and people are getting screwed over in the meantime because of it. There's a lightyear's difference between framing it as "hasn't raised the cap yet" and "issued final order to not raise the cap because they're secret Republicans", and that difference is getting exploited as a wedge, and it's extremely frustrating to see people falling for it, again, like they have for every other policy issue the administration hasn't instantly acted on. The media lit thread can't come soon enough.
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Discendo Vox posted:There's a lightyear's difference between framing it as "hasn't raised the cap yet" and "issued final order to not raise the cap because they're secret Republicans", and that difference is getting exploited as a wedge, and it's extremely frustrating to see people falling for it, again, like they have for every other policy issue the administration hasn't instantly acted on. I agree that the media framing isn't accurate and has problems. Biden not raising the cap for months was still bad, he should have raised it earlier, it would have screwed over fewer people. I'm glad he's going to raise it soon, though.
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Discendo Vox posted:There's a lightyear's difference between framing it as "hasn't raised the cap yet" and "issued final order to not raise the cap because they're secret Republicans", and that difference is getting exploited as a wedge, and it's extremely frustrating to see people falling for it, again, like they have for every other policy issue the administration hasn't instantly acted on. It's actually good that people are being made aware of Biden's choice not to raise the cap when the rest of the administration and migrant rights activists are asking him to do so. Also, framing it as a case of "administration hasn't instantly acted on it" is being purposefully disingenuous when it's more meaningfully a case of "Biden personally obstructing the rest of his administration from actually doing it after saying they're eager to start doing it" Ruzihm fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:Why wouldn't it if 10 Republicans agree to vote for it? i don't think there's literally anything that 10 republicans agree on that you could get 50 senate dems to vote for Conrad_Birdie posted:This is one of the most removed from reality posts I’ve read in a long time. that's bum's gimmick, he does it every election, currently the gop has lost the house, the senate, and the presidency in the elections he's been calling inevitable gop waves lol
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Herstory Begins Now posted:i don't think there's literally anything that 10 republicans agree on that you could get 50 senate dems to vote for beating up Ted Cruz
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Owlspiracy posted:beating up Ted Cruz Strangely even Ted Cruz is a yea once he realizes it's going to pass
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The Angry Bum posted:And yet he's growing a large following of supporters in New York City of all places. Him and Greg Abbott are considered to be the TRUE heroes of Covid because they didn't shut down their entire state. That's how badly DeBlasio and Cuomo messed up. The rest of the state Democrats haven't fared better either. Though the upstate parts are doing well, NYC and it's surrounding counties have been thoroughly beaten down with unnecessary restrictions by Cuomo, like he has something against the part of NY that actually votes Democratic and put him into office. No way any Democrat wins mayor of NYC in this environment and don't be surprised if the Governorship and state assemblies follow suit going solid Republican. You can just say you don't understand population density. Much shorter that way
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Will republicans message of christian nationalism and anti-cultural marxism help them sweep hawaii, the minority-majority state that has a little single republican in the state senate? I've spoken to am extremely loud transplant from texas in this waikiki bar and democrats are doomed
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Saxophone posted:Biden hosed up. Except for the part where he completely ignored his own secretary of state, who initially advised him, not to mention his own campaign promises. And maybe the next gently caress-up that harms refugees or vulnerable people won't cause the same amount of public backlash, in which case he absolutely will not change his mind about it.
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