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Rodenthar Drothman posted:gently caress gently caress noooooo. There is no way in hell she can stay afloat through a whole state-wide campaign. I would be absolutely gobsmacked if she wins the primary, much less the general.
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mdemone posted:There is no way in hell she can stay afloat through a whole state-wide campaign. I would be absolutely gobsmacked if she wins the primary, much less the general. I mean... doesn't CA love to elect pop-culture icons as Governor? E: VVV  I didn't realize that. No wonder why.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:10
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mdemone posted:There is no way in hell she can stay afloat through a whole state-wide campaign. I would be absolutely gobsmacked if she wins the primary, much less the general. You clearly aren't aware of how the California recall process works. There isn't a primary. There isn't parties. Anyone with a smidgen of friends to sign a document can be added to the ballot. The "debate" last time was fifteen people yelling over each other. A porn star, and a woman who became an LA billboard meme, and literally Gary Coleman were on the ballot. Someone sold a deck of cards featuring them all.  EDIT: Oh gee, I forgot to add Gallagher the watermelon-smashing guy, and also people who had names that were identical to famous people but weren't actually famous for anything themselves. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 16:10
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Goatstein posted:But you didn't disprove anything. Your defense was she didn't create the debtor's prison, she just ran it. No one said she created it. The original tweet said she ran it. Here it is again: She wasn't running it, though. A lot of it was outside the judge's control. The bit the judges needed to fix was the inquiry into ability to pay - the typical inquiry was perfunctory and pro forma. Totally blame her for that. If you read the complaint, the Sheriff's department was running a ton of this outside the control of the courts. They'd get notified someone hadn't paid by the city fees department, then toss people into jail until they paid and not even notify the court. I think she's poo poo for being part of it, but she wasn't "running it". It was a huge team effort to be that poo poo. Maybe you think I'm warped, but I think she should be disqualified from any public office for her role AND I think the lawyer tweeting about it is kinda distorting the facts to make her look even worse. Probably because most people won't read the actual case.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:14
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Craptacular! posted:You clearly aren't aware of how the California recall process works. There isn't a primary. There isn't parties. Anyone with a smidgen of friends to sign a document can be added to the ballot. The "debate" last time was fifteen people yelling over each other, A porn star, and a woman who became an LA billboard meme, and literally Gary Coleman were on the ballot. Someone sold a deck of cards featuring them all. Wait, this is a recall effort? I lived out there when they recalled Davis but I hadn't realized this was a recall of Newsom. Okay you're right. This is gonna be a bigger shitshow than I even could have imagined.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:15
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Craptacular! posted:You clearly aren't aware of how the California recall process works. There isn't a primary. There isn't parties. Anyone with a smidgen of friends to sign a document can be added to the ballot. The "debate" last time was fifteen people yelling over each other. A porn star, and a woman who became an LA billboard meme, and literally Gary Coleman were on the ballot. Someone sold a deck of cards featuring them all. A lot of blue states seem really poorly run. Like New York and California elections, the amount of legislation done through referenda, like - fix y'alls poo poo.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:17
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i just wanted to boost this to the new page because its even more insane than i thought it would be. quote:My family and I have been loyal Disney customers for decades. We vacation at Disney World every year. We take a Disney cruise every year or two. Consequently, we spend way too much money in Orlando.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:17
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Now let's see them get off their asses and actually vote.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:20
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I don't get it, does the guy basically want to go to an amusement park that celebrates being a terrible person? Maybe go to the Ark experience or that thing with the dinosaurs. Picnic at that stone mountain place.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:20
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zoux posted:A lot of blue states seem really poorly run. Like New York and California elections, the amount of legislation done through referenda, like - fix y'alls poo poo. Since I left California it's the thing I miss most. I'd rather major political issues be fought in giant ad campaigns blasted directly at voters through TV and YouTube ads than people being lobbied quietly. I would take twenty propositons every two years over something like various Nevada politicians from both parties going, "we spent a billion dollars to get the NFL, we didn't let you vote for it but your support is assumed since you voted for us  "
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Apr 23, 2021 16:21
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This is going to be an epic poo poo show. Cyber Ninjas. https://twitter.com/JMShumway/status/1385448066396786689?s=20
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Apr 23, 2021 16:21
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Apr 23, 2021 16:28
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Rust Martialis posted:I think she's poo poo for being part of it, but she wasn't "running it". It was a huge team effort to be that poo poo. Maybe you think I'm warped, but I think she should be disqualified from any public office for her role AND I think the lawyer tweeting about it is kinda distorting the facts to make her look even worse. Probably because most people won't read the actual case. This is my take, though I don't know that it's fully disqualifying as much as a very significant black mark. It's certainly disqualifying for a prestige position like this. We can elevate people out there who aren't willing participants in systems that are as obviously corrupt and contemptible as this. It's not a particularly hard standard to meet - even if it means nobody from the Orleans Parish court can be US Attorney.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:28
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zoux posted:A lot of blue states seem really poorly run. Like New York and California elections, the amount of legislation done through referenda, like - fix y'alls poo poo. People loving love our proposition system, and I don't loving get it. Like people irl get really testy when I'm like "our proposition system sucks"
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Apr 23, 2021 16:29
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fart simpson posted:well, this is depressing Why? What past President was doing better things for college-aged voters? Remember the voting age was only lowered to 21 in 1971, and since then the best ones would be...maybe Clinton and Obama had the charisma but were big on their austerity bullshit. I know Carter was probably the least war-criminal-y (although still pretty war criminal-y) but he presided over a massive recession and gas crisis. And none of them actually presented a stimulus package anywhere close to the ARP. e: didn't see that this poll only covered 21 years, point still stands. Youth Decay fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 16:35
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fart simpson posted:well, this is depressing Why? I can't say that he's done any worse so far than any presidents in the last 21 years. Which isn't a high bar, of course.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:42
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:gently caress gently caress noooooo. She's a Republican and you're in California. Trump lost by 30 percent. The recall isn't going to succeed.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:48
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Youth Decay posted:Why? What past President was doing better things for college-aged voters? Remember the voting age was only lowered to 21 in 1971, and since then the best ones would be...maybe Clinton and Obama had the charisma but were big on their austerity bullshit. I know Carter was probably the least war-criminal-y (although still pretty war criminal-y) but he presided over a massive recession and gas crisis. And none of them actually presented a stimulus package anywhere close to the ARP. because any hope of fixing things electorally kinda depends on leftward movement, not college students shifting more towards the democrats Kalit posted:Why? I can't say that he's done any worse so far than any presidents in the last 21 years. Which isn't a high bar, of course. it's such a low bar as to be devoid of meaning imo. the last 21 years of presidency have been incredibly awful and i don't think continuing to fail is deserving of additional support fart simpson fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 16:53
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zoux posted:Literally an appeal to my immersion, which one of yall wrote this as a bit Thanks to woke culture, I just can't get myself immersed in realistic children's movie worlds where a flower turns you into a horrible beast and the only way to turn back is to get laid before your 118th birthday
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Apr 23, 2021 16:54
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fart simpson posted:because any hope of fixing things electorally kinda depends on leftward movement, not college students shifting more towards the democrats There was no polling option for Hypothetical Socialist President.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:57
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James Garfield posted:She's a Republican and you're in California. Trump lost by 30 percent. The recall isn't going to succeed. If there’s one thing Californians love, it’s famous people. If there’s another thing Californians love, it’s cutting off our nose to spite our face. And if there’s a last thing Californians love, it’s believing bullshit backed up by a lot of rich people money. To be clear, I don’t actually think this will work. However, it’s the only way I could see Newsom getting ousted and I have to mentally prepare myself for the worst 
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Apr 23, 2021 16:58
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fart simpson posted:well, this is depressing they're still maturing so hope is not yet lost for the remaining third
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Apr 23, 2021 16:59
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i just wanted to boost this to the new page because its even more insane than i thought it would be. I hope they follow through on all of their boycotts, so that I can enjoy cool things without them, and they can enjoy dining at Chik-Fil-A and vacationing at Hobby Lobby.
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Apr 23, 2021 17:01
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zoux posted:A lot of blue states seem really poorly run. Like New York and California elections, the amount of legislation done through referenda, like - fix y'alls poo poo. Most states with a completely ineffective opposition party attract the biggest grifters in politics who aren't really interested in doing anything. Doesn't matter if it's red or blue.
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fart simpson posted:it's such a low bar as to be devoid of meaning imo. the last 21 years of presidency have been incredibly awful and i don't think continuing to fail is deserving of additional support Sorry that people are approving of his policies/actions more than the past 21 years and disagree with your assessment of "continuing to fail".
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fart simpson posted:well, this is depressing Why's that? e: oh my bad you answered already fart simpson posted:because any hope of fixing things electorally kinda depends on leftward movement, not college students shifting more towards the democrats It's just an approval poll. It wasn't asking the kids "is joe biden doing everything you've ever dreamed of, and not one bit more?" I really approve of a lot of what Biden is doing, but quite clearly there is so much more that needs to be done. How are u fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 17:05
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:gently caress gently caress noooooo.
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Apr 23, 2021 17:10
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:gently caress gently caress noooooo. Probably not though? I don't know a whole lot about CA politics, but the last Republican governor was Schwarzenegger, and his winning coalition was all Republicans, moderate Democrats, and dumbasses who will vote for any celebrity. Jenner is a far-right nutjob who loves Ted Cruz, I don't see her replicating the moderate pro-sex climate-change-believer Schwarzenegger's success with Democrats, and I certainly don't see any Republican voting for a trans person. People like her are their new boogeyman destroying America, plus they're all bigoted fucks. Maybe like a few rich, socially liberal Republicans would vote for her, but the GOP's Klanifornia base, lol no way.
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VitalSigns posted:Probably not though? I don't know a whole lot about CA politics, but the last Republican governor was Schwarzenegger, and his winning coalition was all Republicans, moderate Democrats, and dumbasses who will vote for any celebrity. Though I wouldn't put it past them to get her elected so they can trot her out like they do their ever-dwindling POC members and be like "see? We have trans and black friends!"
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Grouchio posted:Why do you think she'd win against Newsom or even win the primary? Scroll up to see an explanation of California’s recall elections.
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VitalSigns posted:Probably not though? I don't know a whole lot about CA politics, but the last Republican governor was Schwarzenegger, and his winning coalition was all Republicans, moderate Democrats, and dumbasses who will vote for any celebrity. If the recall succeeds, whoever gets a plurality of votes on the accompanying clown car of replacement candidates instantly becomes governor. So, basically, whatever republican has the best name recognition. She would certainly lose re-election but could sneak in if enough democrats just don't like Newsom and don't quite realize who replaces him if he's recalled. Unclear to me if democrats are having a safety candidate like the lt. gov so that if he is recalled they can retain the governorship.
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Doctor Butts posted:I don't get it, does the guy basically want to go to an amusement park that celebrates being a terrible person? He wants everything to always stay exactly as it was in his childhood, with no growth or change. Nothing from his childhood involved politics, it was just The Way Things Are, changing things from the way they are into something different is politics. He's the guy who loves riding the same ride over and over with all of the exact same lines and puns that he knows by heart Some people's entire personality is "I like this thing, I'm the guy who loves this thing", if that thing changes then they don't know who they are anymore.
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Apr 23, 2021 17:23
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Craptacular! posted:You clearly aren't aware of how the California recall process works. There isn't a primary. There isn't parties. Anyone with a smidgen of friends to sign a document can be added to the ballot. The "debate" last time was fifteen people yelling over each other. A porn star, and a woman who became an LA billboard meme, and literally Gary Coleman were on the ballot. Someone sold a deck of cards featuring them all. Don’t forget Larry Flynt! The whole thing was a convoluted poo poo show of gigantic proportions. Bleh.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:gently caress gently caress noooooo. The recall will fail because it's clear who's behind it. I had my fit of anger over the French Laundry nonsense, but I'm not going to empower the QAnon idiots by kicking Gavin out.
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Apr 23, 2021 17:29
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I think this kind of got lost since the judge thing came up again but I'm really looking forward to progressive spreadsheet wonks like Matt Bruenig to really quantify how much suffering was reduced and lives saved by these relief payments/systems that were the biggest in 100 years and only ones that were direct and simple in....just as long? I think the numbers will be staggering for no other reason than we've painted ourselves into a corner where wealth has been the primary predictor of outcomes in so many areas of our lives that simply by addressing poverty one can solve dozens of pressing and dire issues.
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Apr 23, 2021 17:35
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i just wanted to boost this to the new page because its even more insane than i thought it would be. Pirates with... tattoos?! Unthinkable!
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Epic High Five posted:I think this kind of got lost since the judge thing came up again but I'm really looking forward to progressive spreadsheet wonks like Matt Bruenig to really quantify how much suffering was reduced and lives saved by these relief payments/systems that were the biggest in 100 years and only ones that were direct and simple in....just as long? It's stunning how much material benefit we can offer people for relatively little money, conservative performative austerity has caused unbelievable amounts of harm.
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evilweasel posted:If the recall succeeds, whoever gets a plurality of votes on the accompanying clown car of replacement candidates instantly becomes governor. So, basically, whatever republican has the best name recognition. She would certainly lose re-election but could sneak in if enough democrats just don't like Newsom and don't quite realize who replaces him if he's recalled. lmao I forgot that it's plurality with no runoffs, but still Schwarzenegger got 48% of the vote in 2003. Which sure is not a majority, but it's similar to what happens all the time in FPTP gubernatorial elections with a spoiler candidate, it wasn't some comedy outcome where he got it with 12% of the vote because everyone fractured behind 100 clown car candidates. Also it seems likely Schwarzenegger would have won with ranked choice or a runoff because the third-place finisher was also a Republican with 13%. Voters pretty much coalesced behind the top three. Even if the opposite happens this time and voters all splinter behind 100 candidates, I am skeptical Jenner would be the one who would come out on top. Right now there's no other celebrities running because "No" is polling at +15, but I'd imagine if that tightens and the recall starts looking like it would succeed more celebrities would jump in who would be better known/liked than her anyway.
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Apr 23, 2021 17:41
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They're gonna knock on doors to ask people if they voted lol. How would that even be legal? https://twitter.com/srl/status/1385628992863043584?s=20
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fart simpson posted:because any hope of fixing things electorally kinda depends on leftward movement, not college students shifting more towards the democrats You can have both. You can be a leftist and a democrat! Like AOC! It is in fact the most effective way to make lasting change as we're currently seeing with Biden who has tacked hard to the left since taking office. College students are seeing a President who is actually getting progressive stuff done and after 4 years of Trump and IIRC 6 years of Republican obstruction under Obama it is an incredible relief to see and as a result you're going to have a generation of voters who are going to be more amendable to support progressives for office. fart simpson posted:it's such a low bar as to be devoid of meaning imo. the last 21 years of presidency have been incredibly awful and i don't think continuing to fail is deserving of additional support I think passing over a trillion dollars in covid relief and stimulus is not continuing to fail, plus the upcoming infrastructure bill which is at least another 1 trillion$ is just success being built on top of success. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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