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NovemberMike posted:The answer here is actually pretty simple. People are gaslighting and the natural reaction to gaslighting is to confront it and disagree. If you said the sky was yellow people would disagree. That doesn't mean they're fervently defending the idea that the sky is blue, they're just defending their sense of reality. If you stopped gaslighting people (and I mean that in the literal abusive sense) then people would stop defending the cops here. This is a good summary of my feelings. If you want to see my ~biases~, here's my first reaction to finding out about the shooting, where one of my friends tells me about it while we're discussing the George Floyd Conviction. quote:Voyager I — 04/20/2021 The conversation ends there because I was at a loss for words at the presumed barbarism on the part of the police. My gut reaction was coming here to grab a pitchfork, only to discover that the facts of the situation were significantly more complicated than I had initially assumed. It was only after learning more that my position moved from "gently caress The Police" to "gently caress, what a mess  "At no point was I ever assuming that she must have deserved it, nor will I ever say that she deserved to die.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Other countries use warning shots to positive effect. The article you posted doesn't say that there is any positive effect to Germans using warning shots, just that some German states mandate them. And the two knife wielding people the German police did shoot died anyway. And for people talking about leg shots, tell me where in the leg is a good place to shoot someone that won't kill them or cripple them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qcJKhc4jJU&t=66s
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Voyager I posted:This is a good summary of my feelings. Yeah, that's exactly it. She was 16. Clearly she didn't deserve to die. This was a horrible outcome regardless of the circumstances. I do think, however, there's a very high probability that no one outright committed the criminal act of manslaughter or murder, but a bunch of people each did a few things that led to this child's death. It's horrific, and anyone who says she deserved to die can go gently caress themselves, but life isn't clear cut. I keep comparing this to a plane crash investigation because I honestly think it's very similar: someone died, and chances are good they absolutely did not deserve it on any level, regardless of any one action on their part which may have been a serious mistake, or on any other person's part. There were many factors that led to this situation, and all of them need to be investigated and addressed, because we can't simply accept this outcome. We cannot accept that a 16-year-old is dead over a trivial dispute; this should be, and is, hateful to us. But that doesn't mean anyone is singularly responsible for Ma'Khia's death. If there were actions by other people that resulted in the situation where the officer felt he had no choice but to use deadly force, they bear responsibility as well.
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PT6A posted:Yeah, that's exactly it. She was 16. Clearly she didn't deserve to die. This was a horrible outcome regardless of the circumstances. I do think, however, there's a very high probability that no one outright committed the criminal act of manslaughter or murder, but a bunch of people each did a few things that led to this child's death. I think this is a reasonable read of the situation. It’s a loving tragedy all around and one where there is no righteous anger to be found. Just sadness. Sadness that a 15 year old kid is dead. Sadness that that 15 year old kid tried to kill someone. Sadness that she was failed by her parents, the system at large and the police. I get everybody twisting into knots to see it how they want to see it because fundamental injustice and unfairness like this just can’t exist, right? There has to be a bad guy. Somebody responsible. Sometimes poo poo is just hosed and to me, that seems to 100% be the case.
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Fister Roboto posted:Folks should ask themselves this: what good does it do to let everyone ITT know that you think the cop made the right decision, and to argue fervently for that opinion? You may think it's just posting on a dying comedy forum, but ideas have a funny way of propagating on the internet. Folks should also ask themselves why their worldview is so fragile that even one instance that doesn’t confirm it feels so threatening that their only answer is dissembling, silencing, and changing or ignoring facts. It’s like getting mad at the news for reporting a cold snap because people might think global warming isn’t real.
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Booourns posted:Quote those people and explain how their posts are "copaganda" please Anyone who is posting that the officer had no choice but to shoot for x y or z is engaging in copaganda by implying that the events that "forced" the shooting were somehow preordained.
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Sedisp posted:Anyone who is posting that the officer had no choice but to shoot for x y or z is engaging in copaganda by implying that the events that "forced" the shooting were somehow preordained. No one is taking about predestination. You should argue with what people in this thread are saying instead of building strawmen.
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Fister Roboto posted:I could say the same thing, that the folks on the other side of the issue are starting from the assumption that if a cop shoots someone then it must be for a good reason, and working backwards from there to justify it. And if you did that that means you haven't paid any attention to anyone or what they've posted. Everyone seems to be on the same level "on the other side" that it's a tragedy, but it was justified given the circumstances. Fister Roboto posted:Folks should ask themselves this: what good does it do to let everyone ITT know that you think the cop made the right decision, and to argue fervently for that opinion? You may think it's just posting on a dying comedy forum, but ideas have a funny way of propagating on the internet. Uh, because at the time Bryant escalated the conflict to violence and was lunging at someone with a knife. Whether she killed pink or not, this is a use of lethal force that the police had a matter of seconds to assess and stop. I don't get this "Knife might not kill" bullshit so shooting her was wrong. So the gently caress what? Shooting her might not kill her either, so that must be ok too, right? Paracaidas posted:
And this is a large part of the problem. People don't watch it and they get the wrong gist from people describing it. I watched the news version of the body cam in the other thread. It doesn't show her being shot, it stops just before then. But you see how chaotic things were and how absolutely impossible it was to really do anything but what happened. And you don't need to be all smug about not watching it either like the rest of us are some bloodlusting bastards craving for teen death SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:No one is taking about predestination. You should argue with what people in this thread are saying instead of building strawmen. Im pretty sure the post states that by ignoring the events preceding the killing they are implying predestination.
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Part of me isn't able to get past watching a girl die to focus on the systemic failures that built the groundwork for the events that unfolded. I don't understand why Bryant tried to stab Pink, regardless of whether or not she was aware the police were there. Didn't I read Bryant had been the one who called 911 saying she (Bryant) had been threatened with a knife? Edit: went and looked it up, the first 911 call apparently did say someone was trying to stab people, and it's not clear who called? "In that call at 4:32 p.m. Tuesday, screaming can be heard as the caller asks police to come and says someone is trying to stab them. The police dispatcher tries to get more information and there is screaming before the call is disconnected. A second 911 call, placed around 4:48 p.m., resulted in the caller hanging up after seeing a police cruiser on the scene." Then: "There were multiple people in the driveway of the home and the video shows Bryant with a knife in hand and making movement toward another young woman, who falls backwards to the ground at the officer's feet. Bryant then turns and moves toward another young woman, who is up against the hood of a sedan parked in the driveway. The video shows Bryant holding the knife and moving it in a motion that appears to be an attempt to swing the knife at the young woman's upper body. " This seems to line up with the security camera footage from across the street. I just think she didn't register the presence of police, because *any* young minority person must know waving a knife around in front of police is going to get you shot. From what I've read, the officer never said/shouted "police". She probably had no idea.  (I am not waving away the fact that threatening someone with a knife is illegal, but she was a *child*.)
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tehinternet posted:The cops can still be bad, the system can still fail and a cop can be justified in their use of force to keep someone from being stabbed. This whole thing loving sucks. Everything about it is truly awful. The problem with trying to frame this one as a cop on a homicidal rampage is it damages the credibility of the current efforts to genuinely reform cops and eliminate the number of Chauvin's they have in their ranks. If anybody wants to highlight murderous american cops killing people for no reason there's tragically no shortage of available incidents and footage. This isn't one of them though it's just a total mess.
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Sedisp posted:Anyone who is posting that the officer had no choice but to shoot for x y or z is engaging in copaganda by implying that the events that "forced" the shooting were somehow preordained. This implication does not follow. The events don't have to be preordained to force the shooting, they just have to exist.
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Rust Martialis posted:Part of me isn't able to get past watching a girl die to focus on the systemic failures that built the groundwork for the events that unfolded. To answer why she tried. Idk. She was a 16 year old kid who was probably mad as gently caress and wasn’t thinking. Teens are like that for a billion reasons. I am sure the foster system didn’t help her at all and the foster dad doing what he did shows how that house apparently likes to end conflicts. So she had all that awful poo poo bouncing around her brain. Also, until proven otherwise. I don’t think ma’khia called the cops, I think it was pink girl or other girl who got kicked. Obviously either way she didn’t deserve to die. At this point I sorta want the dad investigated somewhat though.
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The U.S. Coast Guard is able to effectively employ warning shots while acting in a civilian U.S. law enforcement capacity. https://youtu.be/S19Bx5eftnU
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AvesPKS posted:The U.S. Coast Guard is able to effectively employ warning shots while acting in a civilian U.S. law enforcement capacity. At sea at a downward angle you are spoiled for choice about where to put a completely harmless warning shot. People milling about in a residential area is about as far from that as you can possibly get. The coastguard in that video are also not operating in a time window of a few seconds, they position the helicopter for the shots and very carefully take their time. Not even remotely comparable with what happened.
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Sedisp posted:Im pretty sure the post states that by ignoring the events preceding the killing they are implying predestination. Can you back up and go through this step by step because this seems really stupid to me.
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AvesPKS posted:The U.S. Coast Guard is able to effectively employ warning shots while acting in a civilian U.S. law enforcement capacity. I'm still curious about who actually called the police (initial talk of Ma'Khia being the caller is unconfirmed, as far as I can tell) and what on earth is going on with the guy trying to kick that other girl's head off.
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In the discussion about warning shots and leg shots, I think its illuminating to look at the differing priorities. The way gun usage is taught in the US the absolute number one priority, trumping every other one, is elimination of threat. A secondary objective is the safety of bystanders. This is why you are not supposed to fire warning shots but you can see that this is secondary because firing multiple shots (until the threat is eliminated) in many situations hightens the risk for bystanders to get hit. The life of the person being shot at has no priority at all and I think this is demonstrated by the numbers. Now in the "European approach" (just for brevity, there is of course no unifed approach but some tendencies can be seen). The priorities are much more balanced towards bystanders and particular towards the target. A higher risk for bystanders is deemed acceptable if this lowers the risk of having to shoot at anyone (warning shots). A higher risk for the shooter (or a victim of an attack) is deemed acceptable for a lower risk of killing the target (leg shots). And so on. The important thing is that there is no way to argue which approach is better a priori, which is what essentially all arguments for the US approach do. You need to see how it actually works out in practice.
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Gumball Gumption posted:None of the departments actually want to adopt it because they're cowboys who want to shoot the bad guy instead of using de-escalation. Yeah this is the problem and this is why I don't believe in "one weird trick" solutions to police brutality like tasers and warning shots and leg shots etc. The problem is all of police training and culture is built around them being movie action heroes and counterinsurgency forces fighting a hostile occupied population. And that's not going to change until cities and states dismantle the existing system and rebuild it along entirely different lines. Cops aren't going to fire warning shots instead of rolling up and shooting people, because if they wanted to nonviolently de-escalate they wouldn't be using their guns as all-purpose problem solvers. They'll treat warning shots like they treat tasers: never a substitute for lethal force, just a new toy to escalate situations that even they know don't call for lethal force, and of course as a courtroom defense when they "accidentally" shoot someone
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Lots of wild posting about posters( "this must be bad faith" "everyone disagreeing us is gaslighting" "No Dad, YOU'RE working backwards from your conclusion!") ITT. gently caress off with that poo poo.Rust Martialis posted:I don't understand why Bryant tried to stab Pink, regardless of whether or not she was aware the police were there. I think this really speaks to one of the fundamental disagreements at play here. When we don't know everything leading up to why she was doing this, it seems to me unreasonable and unfair to assume that the dead child was definitely intending to murder the other person (alternate option as a single example, making scary threats to someone who had been bullying her) even setting aside the probability of success. We don't know that she was actually trying to stab her, we know it looks that way in the images that will surely be shared again to show that it looks that way probably with accusations of not watching, and if she was we don't know why. We don't know that it wasn't a legitimate response to unknown events happening prior. So the cop is getting the benefit of the doubt that in the split second we see he made the only available choice, while the dead child is framed as a wild murderer. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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true.spoon posted:In the discussion about warning shots and leg shots, I think its illuminating to look at the differing priorities. The way gun usage is taught in the US the absolute number one priority, trumping every other one, is elimination of threat. A secondary objective is the safety of bystanders. This is why you are not supposed to fire warning shots but you can see that this is secondary because firing multiple shots (until the threat is eliminated) in many situations hightens the risk for bystanders to get hit. The life of the person being shot at has no priority at all and I think this is demonstrated by the numbers. There are more guns in America than there are people. That has a huge impact on how the cops there operate. European cops also tend to shoot people who pose an immediate threat to others by for example attacking them with a knife.
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It seems like a lot of folks in this thread can't imagine a society where poo poo like this doesn't happen. Of course where we are now that cop kills Ma'Khia Bryant and that's a normal expected outcome, a tragedy but what can ya do? A real no win situation. This didn't have to happen and it doesn't have to keep happening. It will as long as the scope of the conversation is so short sighted on reforming the police. Changing their tactics, and all the nit picky small fry poo poo that doesn't address that the goal of policing is to maintain the status quo of a permanent docile, exploitable underclass and protect property. Like instead of goons with guns rolling up what if it was medics trained to defuse situations and restrain people without causing harm. Imagine that instant fear flight/fight response from seeing a cop coming toward(or even just knowing they're coming) you was gone. Maybe a kid would get stabbed and receive immediate medical attention. Maybe before she got stabbed someone would have nabbed Ma'Khia when she was literally at the feet of a cop drawing his gun. But probably this whole loving situation wouldn't have happened in the first place because we scrapped the loving systems causing and perpetuating this violence and instead invested in poo poo that actually helps people. What do you guys think the odds are that he hits the girl in pink when he's shooting Ma'Khia? Would it change your position if he had killed them both? I'll take getting stabbed over someone trying to shoot my assailant while in a melee every time. Morningwoodpecker posted:Everything about it is truly awful. All our police 'reform' in the last hundred years has resulted in what we have now, it doesn't work. It's not a few bad apples, the system of policing is corrupt and oppressive and its goals do not align with public safety or health. You really don't see the contradiction in the solution to the plethora of incidents and footage of cops killing people for no reason is "eliminating the number of Chauvins they have in their ranks"?
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Harold Fjord posted:Lots of wild posting about posters( "this must be bad faith" "everyone disagreeing us is gaslighting" "No Dad, YOU'RE working backwards from your conclusion!") ITT. gently caress off with that poo poo. First: What would be an intent to stab that you would accept as an intent to do so, if not the knife-next-to-face freeze frame? Is there any possible condition of pre-stabbing that you will accept as so, before it does become a stabbing? Second, you seem very fixated on "the cop getting the benefit of the doubt", when it's been said in this situation that this benefit of doubt, and the act of self defence isn't something the cop did on his own. It's what the girl in pink would like to do, but lacked the means to do so, and if the bystander would be a not-cop, for example the father of pink girl, the shooting would still be justified. Regardless of the person holding the gun, the act was the girl in pink being in immediate danger, and herself included, every reasonable person assuming that her life is in danger. Because if the freeze frame you don't want to see is not a cause enough for every reasonable person to believe that death or serious injury is imminent, then there is no room for lawful and moral self-defence before the injury or death is already caused. And if that's your stance, that's fine. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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Wastid posted:
I have no idea who you are talking to. Could it be that the person you are talking about and building these points against does not exist?
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Harold Fjord posted:Lots of wild posting about posters( "this must be bad faith" "everyone disagreeing us is gaslighting" "No Dad, YOU'RE working backwards from your conclusion!") ITT. gently caress off with that poo poo. I don't know why you keep trying to claim that Bryant might not have been trying to stab anyone. Both people who got attacked said this to the officers when they were splitting up witnesses after this occurred. Unless you think they were also mis-reading the situation or lying about it. Since you didn't respond to me last time you made this claim, I'll requote myself here: Kalit posted:Would you be convinced that was her intention if the two people who Bryant went after said she was trying to go after/stab them? You can hear that in the bodycam footage released yesterday here, the first person starting at 9:53 and the second person at 11:55. Sorry for not including a specific link to these times, but I tried doing that yesterday for another poster and the content warning at the start of this video broke it. Kalit fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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quote:I think this really speaks to one of the fundamental disagreements at play here. When we don't know everything leading up to why she was doing this, it seems to me unreasonable and unfair to assume that the dead child was definitely intending to murder the other person (alternate option as a single example, making scary threats to someone who had been bullying her) even setting aside the probability of success. We don't know that she was actually trying to stab her, we know it looks that way in the images that will surely be shared again to show that it looks that way probably with accusations of not watching, and if she was we don't know why. We don't know that it wasn't a legitimate response to unknown events happening prior. So the cop is getting the benefit of the doubt that in the split second we see he made the only available choice, while the dead child is framed as a wild murderer. Why does any of this matter, regarding the cop? As for giving benefit of the doubt, it's hard to take you seriously when you are not only ignoring reality when you say that we don't know if she was trying to stab her, but then almost dismissing it when saying she might have.
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Harold Fjord posted:I think this really speaks to one of the fundamental disagreements at play here. When we don't know everything leading up to why she was doing this, it seems to me unreasonable and unfair to assume that the dead child was definitely intending to murder the other person (alternate option as a single example, making scary threats to someone who had been bullying her) even setting aside the probability of success. We don't know that she was actually trying to stab her, we know it looks that way in the images that will surely be shared again to show that it looks that way probably with accusations of not watching, and if she was we don't know why. We don't know that it wasn't a legitimate response to unknown events happening prior. So the cop is getting the benefit of the doubt that in the split second we see he made the only available choice, while the dead child is framed as a wild murderer. It maddens me that folks are going so far as to victim blame the girl in pink, saying "oh, well, maybe she was a contemptible bully", just to cling desperately to their narrative.
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Wastid posted:All our police 'reform' in the last hundred years has resulted in what we have now, it doesn't work. It's not a few bad apples, the system of policing is corrupt and oppressive and its goals do not align with public safety or health. I agree that they are completely rotten from the top down, their culture training and attitude are all terrible. The problem is you can't get rid of them and start over as you'd just get a shitload of local heavily armed militia's instantly take over. You need something to hold things together while you get your poo poo together and that something unfortunately is working with what you already have. They are no better over here, just less heavily armed as we don't have a gun culture. Wastid posted:You really don't see the contradiction in the solution to the plethora of incidents and footage of cops killing people for no reason is "eliminating the number of Chauvins they have in their ranks"? I see backwards violent racists finally being held to account (sometimes and not often enough) because the public are risking their lives by filming them. I also saw the cops go way overboard deliberately targeting the press since Floyd was murdered because they really really hate being held to account and can't operate in a system where their lies get immediately exposed. None of that means the specific incident we are discussing here was murder by cop though. Nobody needs to exaggerate this dreadfully real issue, plenty of genuine examples.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:There are more guns in America than there are people. That has a huge impact on how the cops there operate. quote:European cops also tend to shoot people who pose an immediate threat to others by for example attacking them with a knife.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Reardon saved a kid and also possibly a dog. Do you have a source on the age for the person Ma'Khia had up against the car? AVeryLargeRadish posted:No one is taking about predestination. You should argue with what people in this thread are saying instead of building strawmen. SocketWrench posted:But you see how chaotic things were and how absolutely impossible it was to really do anything but what happened. This thread has become challenging to post in, in part because nuance keeps getting stripped. In some ways, this is understandable given the subject is the killing of a child. In others, it's unforgivable when the subject is the killing of a child. Reardon made a number of choices in the 10 seconds between exiting his car and killing Ma'Khia. At the end of those 10 seconds, Ma'Khia had the woman in pink up against the car (as we've seen in the screenshots posted throughout the thread) and would likely have inflicted serious harm and possibly killed her if she was allowed to continue. I, like some others in this thread, am more focused on seconds 0 through 9 than I am on the 10th second. SocketWrench believes that it'd have been absolutely impossible for Reardon to have done anything other than kill Ma'Khia. I discuss why I disagree in my reply to Terebus, who made similar arguments. In brief:
Those who would know best, who were there and had more than just the officer's bodycam footage to provide context and knowledge, are not unanimous that the Reardon killing Ma'Khia was the only or best outcome. That disagreement, along with what I posted above, tells me the certainty with which statements are being made in this thread is unwarranted. I think that if we're calling the decision to kill a child unavoidable and justified, we had better be drat sure. There's not enough there in the video and reporting for me to get there, particularly given the other options available to Reardon. eta: some relevant context for SocketWrench's post and assessment, from the discussion in the Chauvin thread after this was created SocketWrench posted:Watching the vid i can see how this plays out, I think some are putting a god level request on the cop. They showed up and had seconds to try and evaluate the situation before berserker blows past the cop to attack pink. Rust Martialis posted:Didn't I read Bryant had been the one who called 911 saying she (Bryant) had been threatened with a knife? Paracaidas fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Why does any of this matter, regarding the cop? this. the cops there for like 7 seconds before it all goes down. he doesn't even have time to ask pink shirt whats up because she is clearly going over to try to talk to him. personally i think Ma'Khia Bryant is a victim and clearly had alot of issues and was failed by the system in various ways. she clearly needed help with stuff and its loving depressing that she never got it because our systems are failures. Cugel the Clever posted:
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Kalit posted:I don't know why you keep trying to claim that Bryant might not have been trying to stab anyone. Both people who got attacked said this to the officers when they were splitting up witnesses after this occurred. If you watch the across the street security video, Ma'Khia (at least I think it's safe to assume it's her) also yells "I'ma stab the gently caress out of you bitch" before/as she knocks the first girl over.
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Vahakyla posted:First: What would be an intent to stab that you would accept as an intent to do so, if not the knife-next-to-face freeze frame? Is there any possible condition of pre-stabbing that you will accept as so, before it does become a stabbing? But you see, what really is intent to stab? If people aren't going to watch the video, even the edited one that ends a split second before the actual shooting, then why the hell are they in here claiming what should be when it's clear they really have no grasp of what happened aside from "cop shot teen"
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Magic City Monday posted:If you watch the across the street security video, Ma'Khia (at least I think it's safe to assume it's her) also yells "I'ma stab the gently caress out of you bitch" before/as she knocks the first girl over. wait their is street security video?
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SocketWrench posted:But you see, what really is intent to stab? If people aren't going to watch the video, even the edited one that ends a split second before the actual shooting, then why the hell are they in here claiming what should be when it's clear they really have no grasp of what happened aside from "cop shot teen" Are you going to comment on calling the 15 year old girl who was killed a "berserker" at any point or are we going to have to bring it up every time like we are the spectre at the feast.
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Paracaidas posted:[*]Reardon kills Ma'Khia without identifying himself as police. Given the reports that Ma'Khia made the first 911 call, I feel it's reasonable to believe things could have gone differently had she been aware the police had arrived. Which likely would have done gently caress all given the police cruiser/multiple cops in uniform that she could clearly see. She was pissed and she wanted to dole out vengance. quote:[*]Reardon, having heard the 911 audio (per the video), knows he is arriving at a scene where someone is threatening others with a knife. He makes no attempt to find out who has the knife, learning it as he sees Ma'Khia with the knife as she atracks others. Had the knife been his first inquiry upon arrival instead of "what's going on", he may have had more information and more opportunities to react or respond differently than killing Ma'Khia by shooting her in the back while yelling at bystanders to get down Yeah, and at the same time he likely assumed someone had a knife but wasn't going to bust out trying to slice when he showed up. Hence the "what's going on?" to find out what's actually going on a split second before the brawl starts quote:[*]Had Reardon not gone for his gun while shouting "hey hey hey" and instead attempted to physically intervene while Ma'Khia was within arms reach (or still closer to him than the car), she is likely still alive today While she was within arm's reach his attention was split between her and the dad kicking the downed girl in the head. He's trying to control two separate people doing separate things. Again I think people are trying to demand god powers from the police quote:[*]Had Reardon at any point in time attempted to issue a command to Ma'Khia ("stop", "drop the knife", "leave her alone", "come over here", or again, literally any command rather than nothing at all), she may have complied and would still be alive today. She may have, but she likely wouldn't. The cops are there, it's fairly obvious. She's pissed though and lashing out. His commands, like a warning shot, would have done dick. I've had to break up fights before, not as police but being in charge of the shop at the time. Do you know how hard that is when someone has decided they're going to fight? Let alone multiple people? Physical restraint is about your only option, and there's no way in a split second with attention drawn between two people that he's going to pull that off. And I certainly don't blame him for not tackling some knife wielding person for the same reason I wouldn't: Because there's a high probability I'll be the one that gets knifed.
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Josef bugman posted:Are you going to comment on calling the 15 year old girl who was killed a "berserker" at any point or are we going to have to bring it up every time like we are the spectre at the feast. Oh my god I was being sarcastic with that. Jesus Christ
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Dapper_Swindler posted:wait their is street security video? A neighbor had a security camera above his garage that got the whole thing: https://v.redd.it/56bstlqx8su61 (obviously  )
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SocketWrench posted:Oh my god I was being sarcastic with that. Jesus Christ So we are going for "it's just a joke bro, chill out"? Or is this an apology?
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