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Cerebral Bore posted:I would agree, and in fact even WWE's own blueprint agrees. Sure, Undertaker held top titles from time to time, but more often than not somebody else was champ because they correctly figured out that he didn't need them. The problem is that they are deviating from that blueprint more often. And it usually ends incredibly poorly. Look at The Fiend's title reigns on the main roster. He made everyone look like a complete loser. To the point of where they had to be repackaged (because whoops having all of your finishers and big moves no sold was a bad idea, who would have thought!). And while it ended in a no contest, look at Fiend Alexa's matches against Asuka. WWE completely destroyed Asuka's aura beyond the point of salvaging with those two matches. It's inherently an incredibly selfish gimmick where there is no way to make the other person look good. There is literally no reason to believe that Alexa's current Fiend knockoff gimmick won't end up running over the entire WWE Women's Division and her holding that title hostage with lovely storytelling and even shittier matches where she just outright no-sells for everyone. And it's amazing that people are trying to defend Alexa's booking as this monster as some sort of genius level storytelling.
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Blueprint implies that they have a complete plan to build something from start to finish. However, with WWE it feels more like those build model X magazines where you get a part with every issue but every week Vince buys an issue of a completely different magazine because he doesn't like the previous one.
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I would disagree with the assessment of Alexas wrestling ability because placing at below average at best, makes me draw comps to Lana and Lacey.
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Apr 25, 2021 14:30
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Like Black’s gimmick isn’t even a spooky dude but rather a variant on “metal dude”, which is why none of this poo poo really works for him.
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MassRafTer posted:https://twitter.com/BossMoz/status/1385971384694628356 Honestly as much fun as i am having comparing this to Garth Merenghi none of these are abject bad opinions and seem sincere. Like we might disagree a bit but this isn't up there with like a worst gimmick ever discussion. Given the depths of depravity we see people being cautiously optimistic doesn't seem that nad. Now if Black starts bleeding goo from his head or going hard into the magical and people saying its awesome that he jobs to Fiend-Alexa then yes.
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Dawgstar posted:It's going to be funny to watch the people who complained about Riho being too small stan Alexa Bliss who is the same height if they go with the unstoppable monster route. Gonna make a bold prediction and say the people who complain about Riho aren't complaining because of her height, but because of her ethnicity.
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I thought Black was just a black metal guy? His lore should be all about how he went to Scandinavia and burnt down a bunch of churches and like, no one can tell for sure sure if he's a white supremacist from his songs.
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Hoss Corncave posted:Blueprint implies that they have a complete plan to build something from start to finish. However, with WWE it feels more like those build model X magazines where you get a part with every issue but every week Vince buys an issue of a completely different magazine because he doesn't like the previous one. It's not like I think they had a master plan from day one with Taker, it's more like they have literally thirty years of inside info to look at what worked and what didn't with the guy and they still can't make another occult gimmick work. Vince MechMahon posted:I thought Black was just a black metal guy? His lore should be all about how he went to Scandinavia and burnt down a bunch of churches and like, no one can tell for sure sure if he's a white supremacist from his songs. I'm absolutely sure that someone, somewhere has done an Abbath gimmick.
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Vince MechMahon posted:I thought Black was just a black metal guy? His lore should be all about how he went to Scandinavia and burnt down a bunch of churches and like, no one can tell for sure sure if he's a white supremacist from his songs. when's he making a racist TTRPG?
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Cerebral Bore posted:It's not like I think they had a master plan from day one with Taker, it's more like they have literally thirty years of inside info to look at what worked and what didn't with the guy and they still can't make another occult gimmick work. YMMV with this, but they DID have a good new occult gimmick: swamp preacher Bray Wyatt. When he came in and was at his height, he was a guy with a unique look, a cool entrance the fans got into without being told to, and a stable with two dudes that had great looks, one of whom was one of the best wrestlers of his generation that could and should have not only elevated the group, but also led to a barn burner of a feud with Bray when the thing broke up. Instead they made him look like a dork for 3 years, lose every big match, and had to totally retool him to get any heat back at all after feeding him to the Cena and Taker machines. And what he came back with fuckin sucks. They had that poo poo though, it was theirs to lose, and they lost spectacularly.
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PNGYAKUZA posted:when's he making a racist TTRPG? WWE: Know Your Role Second Edition gets really dark.
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Vince MechMahon posted:YMMV with this, but they DID have a good new occult gimmick: swamp preacher Bray Wyatt. When he came in and was at his height, he was a guy with a unique look, a cool entrance the fans got into without being told to, and a stable with two dudes that had great looks, one of whom was one of the best wrestlers of his generation that could and should have not only elevated the group, but also led to a barn burner of a feud with Bray when the thing broke up. See, this is exactly what I mean. If they had followed the Taker playbook they'd have the Wyatts kick everybody's rear end and the only ones who could even stand up to them would be the biggest babyfaces and even then only with a herculean effort. Every time a Wyatt lost should have been treated like a monumental occasion. And then you have a group of credible main eventers who you could have done any number of thins with. And they should have known that this would probably work because they'd literally done it before themselves.
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Lamuella posted:WWE could learn a few things from how AEW treat Abadon. People aren't irrationally scared of her. They're rationally freaked out by the woman in zombie makeup spitting blood on the ramp. That, and they use Abadon sparingly so her appearances still have some shock value
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Vince MechMahon posted:I thought Black was just a black metal guy? His lore should be all about how he went to Scandinavia and burnt down a bunch of churches and like, no one can tell for sure sure if he's a white supremacist from his songs. So HHH?
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sportsgenius86 posted:So HHH? No, I can tell HHH is a white supremacist.
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Vince MechMahon posted:No, I can tell HHH is a white supremacist. he even added one more H than most to make extra sure
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DarkstarIV posted:Gonna make a bold prediction and say the people who complain about Riho aren't complaining because of her height, but because of her ethnicity. Its also that they say Riho looks like a child so she's not believable as a wrestling champion whereas Alexa only dresses and acts as a sexy child while being tiny and thus... That all of the above is true is disturbing.
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Cerebral Bore posted:I'm absolutely sure that someone, somewhere has done an Abbath gimmick. Lamuella posted:WWE could learn a few things from how AEW treat Abadon. People aren't irrationally scared of her. They're rationally freaked out by the woman in zombie makeup spitting blood on the ramp.
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Been trying to figure out if Marty is a bot, a guy doing a bit or the most fascinating twitter character yet. https://twitter.com/Marty83461594/status/1386156327970422784 https://twitter.com/Marty83461594/status/1386150817800073218 https://twitter.com/Marty83461594/status/1386150053820223488 https://twitter.com/Marty83461594/status/1385732558231584768 https://twitter.com/Marty83461594/status/1385711190194671616 https://twitter.com/Marty83461594/status/1385706833600552967 He pops up in random mentions and threads and never seems quite human, but also not quite a bot. I'm just not sure if someone would think to design a bot that tweets about wrestling, soap operas, national news and Las Vegas.
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Probably some machine learning experiment that escaped into the wild and developed somewhat peculiar tastes.
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Cerebral Bore posted:See, this is exactly what I mean. If they had followed the Taker playbook they'd have the Wyatts kick everybody's rear end and the only ones who could even stand up to them would be the biggest babyfaces and even then only with a herculean effort. Every time a Wyatt lost should have been treated like a monumental occasion. And then you have a group of credible main eventers who you could have done any number of thins with. Remember when the Wyatt Family and The Shield simply stared at each other and the crowd lost their loving minds?
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1glitch0 posted:Remember when the Wyatt Family and The Shield simply stared at each other and the crowd lost their loving minds? I was at the elimination chamber show in Minneapolis where they fought and it was fuckin WILD.
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sticklefifer posted:They also don't try to speculate about what she "is" and just let her do her thing and comment about how spooky she is. And sometimes she eats Oreos with Allie and it rules. Best thing they ever did with her apart from the oreos and the Lexy Nair interview was when she had a title shot against Shida. In the weeks leading up to it Shida would post selfies on Twitter and Instagram... without in-character realising that Abadon was lurking in the background. https://twitter.com/shidahikaru/status/1331805718966657024?s=19
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Rarity posted:They really should have brought that idea onto Dynamite i have two simultaneous thoughts on 'bringing it onto Dynamite': - i feel like abadon's big push is one of the many many things they're waiting on doing until they have big crowds again. her showing up on lexy nair's show with some of the other big acts shows the people behind the scenes are still very into her, so it's just a question of timing. i like her a bunch, too, but I think her match vs shida wasn't the right time for the belt to change and she still looked incredible in the match & the next time she shows up on dynamite is when they're starting to really get her going - i think aew assumes their audience doesn't just watch two hours of dynamite every week and stop there as their interacting with the company, which means that the twitter promos and dark matches and youtube shows are being treated as extensions that they can and do use frequently to further characters and storylines to the fans. obviously dynamite's the core and they don't just shove stuff out there on there without any mention of why something's happening, but you still get stuff like 'oh, hobbs did this because taz enjoyed it so much on dark' that Helps
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Vince MechMahon posted:I was at the elimination chamber show in Minneapolis where they fought and it was fuckin WILD. It's always weird when WWE gets something right. It's like, so you CAN do stuff like this, but you simply choose not to??
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1glitch0 posted:It's always weird when WWE gets something right. It's like, so you CAN do stuff like this, but you simply choose not to?? I get the feeling that if something happens organically Vince just doesn’t like it because he can’t control it.
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Dimebags Brain posted:I found the ideal sports entertainment fan I like stand-up comedy but what's with all the jokes? I want to be entertained.
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Dimebags Brain posted:I found the ideal sports entertainment fan i think the 'got fired for wrestling with a little girl' is the giveaway that it's a cornette fan fakeposting edit: also the part where he says he keeps up with wrestling by listening to cornette
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Yeah, he literally says up front that he only knows of Omega through Cornette. The guy probably doesn't even understand the connection between that and him parroting Cornette's criticisms while mentioning that he's barely even watched Omega. Also the part where he lists Taker and Kane as some of his favorites but then mocks the idea of a manager cutting promos for a guy.
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The thing with the Fiend is, I'm on record as not minding weird supernatural poo poo in wrestling, even if the kind of mainstream wrestling that WWE and AEW do only really allow for small doses. The problem is, as best I can tell, it's not going anywhere. Randy Orton and Bray Wyatt have fought a bunch and as best I can tell Randy usually wins, esp. the big matches- Wyatt has eked out like a victory or two, but it's not really a feud, because Orton has proven himself the stronger. And yet the angle keeps going, forever. As has been pointed out, the Undertaker was insanely well built and protected in his early run. He would disappear for long periods, emerge for big matches, usually win, and this was going on into the Attitude Era. Even when he loses it's to guys like Stone Cold, he's always kept in the upper echelons. There's a reason he was able to be a feature attraction for that long. Like they could theoretically salvage this if they booked Wyatt/the Fiend to be genuinely dominant and a threat to everyone but that's never going to happen.
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Rarity posted:They really should have brought that idea onto Dynamite Abadon photobombing Dynamite seems like a bad idea because either it's subtle enough that people won't notice, or it's obvious enough that Schiavone will blurt out when he sees Abadon in the background, ruining the vibes.
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Pinche Rudo posted:Someone go get some TNA Mecca takes on Omega winning the impact gold Some of them are on a normal one Twinkletoes  Kenny Oatmeal  Jacksonville Dixie  Ton E Con  Rich Sean 
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