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1. is the DUP leader determined democratically? 2. if so, what kind of regressive person is a DUP member at this point, and can we rely on them to choose the worst possible option?
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Venomous posted:1. is the DUP leader determined democratically? 1. lol 2. lol, yes
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Apr 28, 2021 22:40
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the DUP hosed up so badly that they might actually lose their country over it, that seems like the opposite of "political skills" they made ludicrous amounts of money and strongarmed a tory government for two years with ten loving mps, and it's pure bad luck that the next tory leader would personally sell them back to ireland for a small kickback The DUP are really good at getting what they want, they just want terrible things because they're terrible people
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Apr 29, 2021 00:00
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Spangly A posted:they made ludicrous amounts of money and strongarmed a tory government for two years with ten loving mps, and it's pure bad luck that the next tory leader would personally sell them back to ireland for a small kickback The DUP lucked their way through the last 5 or so years. They did not get there by skill or planning. It was the Lib Dems wilting that got them into coalition with the Tories, and they bungled that too for near demanding everything all the time when a vote was up. The DUP never got what they want, they get what is given to them by the uncaring Tories. Boris had to do a last minute trip to assure them that there will be no border in the Irish Sea, and lo and behold there is a border in the Irish Sea. If the DUP were good at getting what they wanted, they would have finished the Irish Border Wall in 2018 and now be machine gunning Tayto vans that get too close. happyhippy has issued a correction as of 03:01 on Apr 29, 2021 |
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Apr 29, 2021 01:43
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just a random thought but do UK pols ever pal around socially across party lines the way American pols do?
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Apr 29, 2021 02:55
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shrike82 posted:just a random thought but do UK pols ever pal around socially across party lines the way American pols do? What does your heart tell you?
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Apr 29, 2021 02:58
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shrike82 posted:just a random thought but do UK pols ever pal around socially across party lines the way American pols do? The entire media-political establishment in the U.K. is both literally and metaphorically incestuous in a way that the US federal government can only dream of.
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Apr 29, 2021 03:10
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Spangly A posted:they made ludicrous amounts of money and strongarmed a tory government for two years with ten loving mps, and it's pure bad luck that the next tory leader would personally sell them back to ireland for a small kickback They're good at delaying progress, but ultimately they fail at everything. The Anglo-Irish Agreement, the Good Friday Agreement, the NI Assembly, cross-border cooperation, same-sex marriage, women's rights - all happened eventually despite the DUP opposing them. They threw everything at getting a hard Brexit in the hopes of getting a land border with Ireland. Getting shafted by Boris wasn't bad luck. It's what's happened to them every time they've expected the Tories to side with Unionism and was entirely predictable.
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Apr 29, 2021 08:11
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https://twitter.com/LouHaigh/status/1387440324155527169 thanku arlene
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Apr 29, 2021 08:16
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liberals are disgusting
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Apr 29, 2021 08:22
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Yeah, NI's Unionists often win battles but they ultimately lose every war, because they've got no strategy beyond intransigence. They could have spent the last decade constructing a softer, 21st century version of unionism that involved strengthening economic and social ties with the mainland, while also opening up to the opportunities that would come from reaching out to the Irish Republic and building bridges there but nope: it's been the same old marches, symbolism and strident denunciations of anything that might involve progress. Idiots.
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Apr 29, 2021 09:11
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, NI's Unionists often win battles but they ultimately lose every war, because they've got no strategy beyond intransigence. i expect that they're fairly reliant on being the hardest line of unionism, and that the people who like those marches have been putting in a lot of hours for the party. this isn't necessarily a top-down kind of thing, even though their brexit stance was utterly and hilariously disastrous
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Apr 29, 2021 09:17
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, NI's Unionists often win battles but they ultimately lose every war, because they've got no strategy beyond intransigence. didn't the UUP do this and get eaten alive
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Apr 29, 2021 09:18
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, NI's Unionists often win battles but they ultimately lose every war, because they've got no strategy beyond intransigence. What do we want? The status quo! When do we want it? Now!
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Apr 29, 2021 09:20
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, NI's Unionists often win battles but they ultimately lose every war, because they've got no strategy beyond intransigence. The thing is that like the tories, they don't give the slightest poo poo about material conditions beyond personally enriching themselves and leaving everything to the private sector. They don't build anything, they don't help anyone, they only know how to scream hateful screeds and brutalise the helpless. Makes a lot of sense when you realise they're a self-styled colonial aristocracy who don't realise they are considered completely expendable. Their birthright as they believe it is to sit in the big chair and let the money roll in, and beat down the natives when they get too uppity.
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Apr 29, 2021 09:24
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Yeah, the NI economy's a basket case that's highly dependent on subsidies from the central UK government. The traditional role of the unionist politicians has been to administer and distribute the loot to their allied interest groups, a role that's become progressively more marginal due to power-sharing with the republicans and the increasing disinterest in NI from Westminister.
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Apr 29, 2021 09:59
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Venomous posted:1. is the DUP leader determined democratically? Its gonna be Mad Dog Adair and theyre gonna go full fasc.
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Apr 29, 2021 10:08
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Makes a lot of sense when you realise they're a self-styled colonial aristocracy who don't realise they are considered completely expendable. Their birthright as they believe it is to sit in the big chair and let the money roll in, and beat down the natives when they get too uppity. yeah that does explain a lot
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Apr 29, 2021 10:10
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StealthArcher posted:Its gonna be Mad Dog Adair and theyre gonna go full fasc. He's exiled from NI and would be murdered if he ever returned. The only thing loyalists hate more than Catholics is other loyalists.
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Apr 29, 2021 10:27
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thank u leader of party that wants to recriminalise homosexuality and liquidate catholics and bring back the ducking stool for women who wear skirts above the knee
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Apr 29, 2021 10:46
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how d'you do, I see you've met my faithful handyman
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Apr 29, 2021 11:08
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Lol
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Apr 29, 2021 11:12
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Someone nuke us https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/1387704295152365570?s=19
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Apr 29, 2021 11:32
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Apr 29, 2021 12:09
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Clyde Radcliffe posted:He's exiled from NI and would be murdered if he ever returned. The only thing loyalists hate more than Catholics is other loyalists. well that... that doesn’t sound very loyal at all, if I’m speaking frankly!
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Apr 29, 2021 12:11
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lol https://twitter.com/IrvineWelsh/status/1387752198898130952?s=20
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Apr 29, 2021 13:55
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i say swears online posted:didn't the UUP do this and get eaten alive Yes, by the DUP. The DUP was just drinking their milkshake so to speak. SDLP faced the same sort of cannibalization from SF post GFA. Were the DUP to rebrand even slightly, there isn't anyone to laugh at them and call them libs. It would have worked to a certain extent, and Arlene would have been the face of the faction that wants to do that. But we're gonna get more and harder line unionism because ofc we are.
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Apr 29, 2021 14:01
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Bust Rodd posted:well that... that doesn’t sound very loyal at all, if I’m speaking frankly! the DUP, like pretty much all far right parties if we're being honest, operate kind of like the aryan brotherhood. you have a spectrum from "true believers" to "racists who just want to sell heroin and do extortion" and Adair is pretty firmly on the narcobaron end. the proud boys in america function the same way, which is why tiny toese spent most of 2018 and 2019 traveling back and forth between rallies that all coincidentally seemed to be staged along the west coast heroin highway.
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Apr 29, 2021 15:19
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i say swears online posted:didn't the UUP do this and get eaten alive sort of but not really. post-stormontgate uup has no loving clue what it actually stands for and oscillates wildly between trying to present itself as more moderate, "we are happy to work the the SDLP", while attacking the DUP for being soft on sinn fein and not standing up for traditional true unionism and accusing them of being a party of sleekit wee shites who would say anything to get elected. they've tried pretty much everything from officially allying with the Tories to putting a hardliner in charge to putting a more moderate celebrity at the helm, inconsistency is sort of their trademark more than any actual cohesive vision of what unionism is. they've only really gone more liberal on social issues recently by default as the more religious reps stopped getting elected but they still remain pretty strident on things like attacking the dup for failing to halt prosecutions of soldiers over troubles related offences.
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Apr 29, 2021 16:13
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Apr 29, 2021 16:17
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Keir is not a real name this is insane
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Apr 29, 2021 16:24
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he is a security state dude so yeah he gets the big black car e: giving him the benefit of the doubt, this kinda theatre is what turns a republican human rights lawyer into the bloody handed assassin of the labour party
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Apr 29, 2021 17:16
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euphronius posted:Keir is not a real name he's called kieth op
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Apr 29, 2021 17:17
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only once have I laughed at someone for a prius it's a very kieth car
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Apr 29, 2021 17:20
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as a prius owner I can't even be mad
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Apr 29, 2021 17:33
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euphronius posted:Keir is not a real name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Dullea
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lmao https://twitter.com/HassayJohn/status/1387675785432031234?s=20
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