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honestly dhh is handling it much better than jason. more likely to see jason sabbatical it out
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# ? May 1, 2021 00:10 |
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# ? May 15, 2024 03:35 |
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maybe this is me showing my rear end, but the funniest thing to me is that the person linking genocide to making fun of finish* surnames or whatever really does sound like they were being a bit extra. dhh/otherguy could've just been like "hey, whoa, name erasure is a huge problem, but come on here, folks are laughing at Phil Mahiney, not being racist about it. of course it's very easy to go from one to the other, and it's unprofessional anyway, so cut it the gently caress out, it's wrong, and it's not right." but instead we get....this. if people are going too far with hyperbole, the move is to say "cool your jets on the hyperbole" not light your company on fire lmao *this is of course taking their word that the list wasn't racist. and let's just say that how they've handled this doesn't exactly give me confidence in their judgments re: what is and is not racist as hell
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# ? May 1, 2021 00:29 |
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these guys are shitheads and deserve this entirely, but that “upholding white supremacy” tweet makes me think the company culture was poisoned and this was inevitable.
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# ? May 1, 2021 00:29 |
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Achmed Jones posted:maybe this is me showing my rear end, but the funniest thing to me is that the person linking genocide to making fun of finish* surnames or whatever really does sound like they were being a bit extra. dhh/otherguy could've just been like "hey, whoa, name erasure is a huge problem, but come on here, folks are laughing at Phil Mahiney, not being racist about it. of course it's very easy to go from one to the other, and it's unprofessional anyway, so cut it the gently caress out, it's wrong, and it's not right." my money is on the list being mostly like "Dick Chardnutts" with the occastional guy named Wang. but the important takeaway is exactly this: quote:but instead we get....this. if people are going too far with hyperbole, the move is to say "cool your jets on the hyperbole" not light your company on fire lmao
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# ? May 1, 2021 00:33 |
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i 300% guarantee you with a tip on top that there is an orangejello/lemonjello joke somewhere in that slack channel's history
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# ? May 1, 2021 00:34 |
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rotor posted:my money is on the list being mostly like "Dick Chardnutts" with the occastional guy named Wang. this + also this is, at worst, a mean reversion of some tech ceos. it is comical and dumb and a huge own goal but they're still offering 6 months salary severance to people who don't like it
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# ? May 1, 2021 00:39 |
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honestly none of this would be even remotely newsworthy if these dipshits hadnt been held up as management wunderkinds for the last decade or so
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# ? May 1, 2021 00:40 |
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its like ... idk, it's like some bigshot famous hunter getting killed by a rabbit or something.
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# ? May 1, 2021 00:41 |
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headline at the verge made me rofl a little bitquote:Basecamp implodes as employees flee company, including senior staff https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/30/22412714/basecamp-employees-memo-policy-hansson-fried-controversy
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# ? May 1, 2021 01:02 |
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rotor posted:my money is on the list being mostly like "Dick Chardnutts" with the occastional guy named Wang. per casey newton: quote:Around 2009, Basecamp customer service representatives began keeping a list of names that they found funny. More than a decade later, current employees were so mortified by the practice that none of them would give me a single example of a name on the list. One invoked the sorts of names Bart Simpson used to use when prank calling Moe the Bartender: Amanda Hugginkiss, Seymour Butz, Mike Rotch.
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# ? May 1, 2021 01:11 |
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rotor posted:its like ... idk, it's like some bigshot famous hunter getting killed by a rabbit or something. chris kyle syndrome
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# ? May 1, 2021 01:16 |
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Buff Hardback posted:per casey newton: basecamp employees sound easy to mortify
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# ? May 1, 2021 01:23 |
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This company sounds like it is poorly-run and has a bad workplace culture. I'm glad that I will never have even an appreciable portion of that ceo's wealth
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# ? May 1, 2021 01:32 |
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Achmed Jones posted:maybe this is me showing my rear end, but the funniest thing to me is that the person linking genocide to making fun of finish* surnames or whatever really does sound like they were being a bit extra. dhh/otherguy could've just been like "hey, whoa, name erasure is a huge problem, but come on here, folks are laughing at Phil Mahiney, not being racist about it. of course it's very easy to go from one to the other, and it's unprofessional anyway, so cut it the gently caress out, it's wrong, and it's not right." i think you're confused about what the pyramid of hate is saying because it is just "laughing at funny names can very easily lead to being racist about it" and you seem to agree with that?
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# ? May 1, 2021 01:44 |
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rotor posted:basecamp employees sound easy to mortify Lol that the employees melted down over Bart Simpson prank names instead of getting their benefits taken away
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# ? May 1, 2021 01:46 |
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Plorkyeran posted:the pyramid of hate it’s a slippery slope from laughing at Dick Butkus to genocide
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# ? May 1, 2021 02:12 |
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i wonder how bad the attrition will be on monday, when the 2/3 who didnt quit today have had a chance to think about how viable the company they are working for is given that a third of the employees - including a big chunk of the senior staff - just sprinted out the door with no transition or handoff or knowledge transfer
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# ? May 1, 2021 02:18 |
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6 months bonus hell yeah
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# ? May 1, 2021 02:24 |
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"shape it up ur rear end i'm leaving"
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# ? May 1, 2021 02:35 |
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Plorkyeran posted:i think you're confused about what the pyramid of hate is saying because it is just "laughing at funny names can very easily lead to being racist about it" and you seem to agree with that? no, im not confused about the pyramid of hate, i'm confused about what the person actually said. there are dumb and non-dumb ways to make the same point is all. realistically the person was likely making a reasonable point and dhh or whoever did a big "nobody likes me everybody hates me guess i'll i'm curious what this will do to the development of rails
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# ? May 1, 2021 02:46 |
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i’m sick of all these hyperbolic reactions to things!!! *blows up company over people saying racism is bad*
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# ? May 1, 2021 03:06 |
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Achmed Jones posted:no, im not confused about the pyramid of hate, i'm confused about what the person actually said. there are dumb and non-dumb ways to make the same point is all. quote:The employees noted that there had never been an internal reckoning over the list, and said it was important to discuss why making fun of customers’ names had been wrong. The apology included an image of “the pyramid of hate,” an illustration created by the Anti-Defamation League to show how the most extreme acts of extremist violence are enabled by a foundation of biased attitudes and acts of bias. if this account of events is accurate (which it certainly may not be), dhh railed against the concept of the pyramid of hate and the idea that relatively harmless things set the foundation for worse things rather than the employee being extra in their presentation of the concept. to me it sounds like the employee didn't make the point "making fun of these names leads to genocide" and it was dhh who brought that up based on the poh image.
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# ? May 1, 2021 05:23 |
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quote:In a response to Hansson’s post, one employee noted that the way we treat names — especially foreign names — is deeply connected to social and racial hierarchies. as a poster you have to appreciate a move like this
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# ? May 1, 2021 05:35 |
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sounds like this guy will never be the head of a major corporation
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# ? May 1, 2021 05:38 |
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also as a dev with the job market as it is, you'd have to be nuts to turn down 6 months of severance, their biggest mistake might have been mkaing the offer too good
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# ? May 1, 2021 05:56 |
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Plorkyeran posted:to me it sounds like the employee didn't make the point "making fun of these names leads to genocide" and it was dhh who brought that up based on the poh image. ah gotcha, that's fair. the two things i i know for sure are that dhh is a wiener and that basecamp's implosion is extremely funny
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# ? May 1, 2021 05:57 |
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my homie dhall posted:also as a dev with the job market as it is, you'd have to be nuts to turn down 6 months of severance, their biggest mistake might have been mkaing the offer too good yeah even if I was at a gig I was super happy at I’d almost certainly take a six month vacation or just a six month bonus. the dev market is bonkers rn https://twitter.com/lunasorcery/status/1388268264925564937?s=21
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# ? May 1, 2021 07:22 |
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My old job did the "do not EVER QUESTION MANAGEMENT" heel turn recently too but lol basecamp did it in the best way possible. And I mean that unironically, at least they're being honest about their lovely attitude.
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# ? May 1, 2021 14:15 |
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the list could easily be worse than it sounds name of the year has managed to go quite a few seasons without getting canceled for racism
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# ? May 1, 2021 14:26 |
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the last place i worked before going freelance several years ago my manager screamed at me, and his boss backed him up, that it wasn't my place to suggest that the direction the website was going was a mistake and that i should just be quiet and do what i'm told they ended up spending millions and completely running the entire segment into the ground and traffic, last i checked, is nonexistent. and they started with literally millions of hits a month
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# ? May 1, 2021 15:01 |
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i know you can't bc dox but dang i wanna see the before and after
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# ? May 1, 2021 15:33 |
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Achmed Jones posted:dhh is a dumbass but i dont think he'll do the cancel-culture thing simply bc he's positioned himself as opposed to the type of person that uses the phrase "cancel culture" you fool, you absolute mark https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1387731297980854272
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# ? May 1, 2021 22:30 |
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also im not gonna actually read that so if im wrong about being wrong and dhh is being reasonable (unlikely!) idk tell me i guess but either way im wrong somehow so lol
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# ? May 1, 2021 22:32 |
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I'm still trying to parse the text of the tweet
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# ? May 1, 2021 22:35 |
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flakeloaf posted:I'm still trying to parse the text of the tweet same
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# ? May 1, 2021 22:41 |
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flakeloaf posted:I'm still trying to parse the text of the tweet dhh is quoting something he thinks applies to his situation, but I don't get the impression here that he acknowledges the difference between twitter mobs and a company with less than 100 employees.
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# ? May 1, 2021 22:50 |
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Jonny 290 posted:ruby is just anime perl I hate to say it, but it is
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# ? May 1, 2021 23:11 |
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don't think of it as an implosion, just think of it as finally moving basecamp to the "done" column
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# ? May 1, 2021 23:21 |
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Pollyanna posted:I hate to say it, but it is actually ruby has a wonderful object oriented paradigm and its message passing hahahahahhahahahah sorry i couldnt keep a straight face, u right
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# ? May 1, 2021 23:41 |
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# ? May 15, 2024 03:35 |
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someone brief me on why ruby and rails suck and how they suck to different degrees
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