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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:NATO GOOD RUSSIA BAD we've painted ourselves into a bit of a corner with that, the only guys we've been saber rattling against lately have been Russia, Iran, and China, and boy can we not handle a hot conflict with any of those guys so I guess we'll just shift to cold war era 'training and supporting' and 'police action' poo poo for a bit until russia has an economic collapse.
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sexpig by night posted:we've painted ourselves into a bit of a corner with that, the only guys we've been saber rattling against lately have been Russia, Iran, and China, and boy can we not handle a hot conflict with any of those guys so I guess we'll just shift to cold war era 'training and supporting' and 'police action' poo poo for a bit until russia has an economic collapse. Ah gently caress that. America can fire up A war front at any time with anyone. With regards to Russia many people still think Russia is full of communists because they are too stupid to realize that poo poo is long gone. The reason I say this is because we could get these dumbfucks to go to war with anyone in the world for some bullshit reason and most of the country would go for it regardless of resistance solely due to our lust for are troops
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May 2, 2021 21:33
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we may get froggy with Russia if we need a new 'CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO OUR WAY OF LIFE' I think, it won't end well but at least most of the current western european political landscape seems to have sided with the Ukrainian neo-nazis in that scrape which is...cool....
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May 2, 2021 21:47
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Isn’t oligarchy final stage capitalism? Like aren’t Russians basically more capitalist than we are at this point?
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TK-42-1 posted:Isn’t oligarchy final stage capitalism? Like aren’t Russians basically more capitalist than we are at this point? no, they're bad guys, so they're communists actually
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May 2, 2021 22:11
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sexpig by night posted:we may get froggy with Russia if we need a new 'CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO OUR WAY OF LIFE' I think, it won't end well but at least most of the current western european political landscape seems to have sided with the Ukrainian neo-nazis in that scrape which is...cool.... go gently caress yourself, buddy
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May 2, 2021 22:12
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sexpig by night posted:we may get froggy with Russia if we need a new 'CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO OUR WAY OF LIFE' I think, it won't end well but at least most of the current western european political landscape seems to have sided with the Ukrainian neo-nazis in that scrape which is...cool.... The jewish russian-speaking Ukrainian president is a neo-nazi? hosed up if true
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May 2, 2021 22:29
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I hear those Albanians keep to themselves. Shifty. Untrustable.
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May 2, 2021 22:33
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Somaen posted:The jewish russian-speaking Ukrainian president is a neo-nazi? hosed up if true no but we keep giving weapons to literal open neo-nazi groups that support him so I'd call that a red flag imo
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May 2, 2021 22:36
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sexpig by night posted:no but we keep giving weapons to literal open neo-nazi groups that support him so I'd call that a red flag imo Do you have a source for this that is not a russian intelligence op posing as a news outlet
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Somaen posted:Do you have a source for this that is not a russian intelligence op posing as a news outlet The National Militia is literally an Azov Battalion battalion splinter group who have been empowered by the government at every turn, including openly given weaponry and training from 'aid' from the US and poo poo. These are literally just open facts.
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sexpig by night posted:The National Militia is literally an Azov Battalion battalion splinter group who have been empowered by the government at every turn, including openly given weaponry and training from 'aid' from the US and poo poo. These are literally just open facts. So is all the western political landscape laserfocused on supporting this splinter group or are the ukrainians giving it weapons in secret from idiot westerners
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Somaen posted:So is all the western political landscape laserfocused on supporting this splinter group or are the ukrainians giving it weapons in secret from idiot westerners it's...not really that complex or even shady, we give Ukraine guns and poo poo, and their government tends to let it wind up in the hands of groups like National Militia, who are entirely legal in operation under Ukrainian law. There's no grand conspiracy, they're, like, deputized or whatever Ukrainian is for that, we keep dumping guns and money on the country and they distribute it to the neo-nazis they have no ethical issue aligning with to saber rattle against Russia. That's...not something I, a Jew who's family comes from eastern Europe, think tends to end well even if the literal government itself isn't run by active neo-nazis.
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sexpig by night posted:it's...not really that complex or even shady, we give Ukraine guns and poo poo, and their government tends to let it wind up in the hands of groups like National Militia, who are entirely legal in operation under Ukrainian law. There's no grand conspiracy, they're, like, deputized or whatever Ukrainian is for that, we keep dumping guns and money on the country and they distribute it to the neo-nazis they have no ethical issue aligning with to saber rattle against Russia. That's...not something I, a Jew who's family comes from eastern Europe, think tends to end well even if the literal government itself isn't run by active neo-nazis. So there's a small splinter group that gets some guns and poo poo? hosed up. Still tho sounds like being against Russia is actively being against neonazis: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/albertonardelli/matteo-salvini-russia-gianluca-savoini quote:The court papers also mention the pro-Kremlin cultural organization Savoini presides over, Lombardy-Russia, stating that one of its members participated in a gathering of nationalist political parties in St. Petersburg in March 2015, along with Gnerre and another individual under investigation as part of the same case.
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Somaen posted:So there's a small splinter group that gets some guns and poo poo? hosed up. Still tho sounds like being against Russia is actively being against neonazis: this is just super not the thread to argue about this in depth so I guess I'll just leave it at 'I guess if your plan is to arm neo-nazis to fight other neo-nazis that's your prerogative but I just think we could just not get involved in a fight between two countries we're not connected to at all and that way we don't have to worry about arming nazis at all'
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Somaen posted:So there's a small splinter group that gets some guns and poo poo? hosed up. Still tho sounds like being against Russia is actively being against neonazis: 
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Even if there are nazis on both sides people like to root for the home team. Also, annexing and occupying parts of your neighbor sets a bad example for the rest of the continent
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Flavahbeast posted:Even if there are nazis on both sides people like to root for the home team. Also, annexing and occupying parts of your neighbor sets a bad example for the rest of the continent what home team is there for the US
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You were bemoaning the fact that "most of the current western european political landscape" was siding with Ukraine, well why wouldn't they? Ukraine is the aggrieved party, the "home team" where the fighting between the countries is happening
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I can't wait for the US to get out of Afghanistan too
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sexpig by night posted:this is just super not the thread to argue about this in depth so I guess I'll just leave it at 'I guess if your plan is to arm neo-nazis to fight other neo-nazis that's your prerogative but I just think we could just not get involved in a fight between two countries we're not connected to at all and that way we don't have to worry about arming nazis at all' I just wanted to get more out of you so it becomes very clear that you are really ignorant of the situation and extremely stupid overall, you can't really talk about this in-depth here or anywhere else, especially with people from eastern europe with personal knowledge of the situation since you seem to be regurgitating propaganda you've read that you lack the skills to examine critically. Ukraine is a floundering democracy with a jewish president where the far right consistently gets <2% of the electoral vote, that is being invaded and sabotaged by a hostile, far-right proto-fascist state which had to invent stories about atrocities by the Ukrainian far-right in its propaganda campaigns to justify the invasion and annexation of the territory. If there is any morally justifiable support for a state, this is it, the US is objectively doing good here by supporting Ukraine militarily and by supporting building democratic institutions.
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Getting some strong Venezuela thread energy from these last few posts.
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"Ottoman-era Armenian genocide" Didn't the Republic of Turkey carry on the genocide right through the '20s?
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Somaen posted:I just wanted to get more out of you so it becomes very clear that you are really ignorant of the situation and extremely stupid overall, you can't really talk about this in-depth here or anywhere else, especially with people from eastern europe with personal knowledge of the situation since you seem to be regurgitating propaganda you've read that you lack the skills to examine critically. Ukraine is a floundering democracy with a jewish president where the far right consistently gets <2% of the electoral vote, that is being invaded and sabotaged by a hostile, far-right proto-fascist state which had to invent stories about atrocities by the Ukrainian far-right in its propaganda campaigns to justify the invasion and annexation of the territory. If there is any morally justifiable support for a state, this is it, the US is objectively doing good here by supporting Ukraine militarily and by supporting building democratic institutions. *dismantles anti-nazi monument*
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Weka posted:"Ottoman-era Armenian genocide" Long answer: Kevorkian makes that argument but that's all still fresh enough scholarship that "official consensus" hasn't really solidified. Also depends on how you define "Republic of Turkey" given it was just a stitched together tapestry of warlords in the early 20's, despite Kemalists trying to pretend otherwise. And if you consider stuff like the later Syrian transfers to be part of the same event as the capital "G" Genocide. Short answer: Yes but there's ton of reasons even Armenians will try to rhetorically divorce it from Kemalism.
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i say swears online posted:*dismantles anti-nazi monument* drat... Thoughts and praeyrs to statues of Lenin and Stalin everywhere
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There has to be a better place than the Middle East thread to slapfight about Ukraine.
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Sinteres posted:There has to be a better place than the Middle East thread to slapfight about Ukraine. Crimea was part of the Ottoman empire until 18th century, therefore Ukraine is part of the Middle East 
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I mean it’s not really a slap fight. He’s 100% right, the guy’s a complete idiot and he needed to hear that.
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Nenonen posted:Crimea was part of the Ottoman empire until 18th century, therefore Ukraine is part of the Middle East Crimea was never part of the Ottoman Empire. The Crimean Khanate sort of hovered between Ottoman ally and protectorate, but was never formally part of or administrated by the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans held some ports and coastal forts, but they didn't rule Crimea.
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Somaen posted:I just wanted to get more out of you so it becomes very clear that you are really ignorant of the situation and extremely stupid overall, you can't really talk about this in-depth here or anywhere else, especially with people from eastern europe with personal knowledge of the situation since you seem to be regurgitating propaganda you've read that you lack the skills to examine critically. Ukraine is a floundering democracy with a jewish president where the far right consistently gets <2% of the electoral vote, that is being invaded and sabotaged by a hostile, far-right proto-fascist state which had to invent stories about atrocities by the Ukrainian far-right in its propaganda campaigns to justify the invasion and annexation of the territory. If there is any morally justifiable support for a state, this is it, the US is objectively doing good here by supporting Ukraine militarily and by supporting building democratic institutions. But on the other hand have you considered that the Ukrainian subhuman must be purged from the surface of the Earth by the Russian hero-soldier? No I don't care that all the poo poo about neo-Nazis is thousand times more accurate in regards to Russia and Russian militants in Ukraine, shut up, shut up (Thank you for being one poster with non-reprehensible opinions who isn't also proud of being completely ignorant and being able to talk down to people actually living through these things, as befits American arrogance)
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Crosswell posted:I mean it’s not really a slap fight. He’s 100% right, the guy’s a complete idiot and he needed to hear that. Every argument on these forums, and the overwhelming majority of all Internet arguments, are just slap fights. Also shut up about Ukraine, there might be no central Asia thread so Fergana Valley might as well go here because why not, but there is a Europe thread.
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Gen. Mark Milley described the Afghan military and police as “reasonably well equipped, reasonably well trained, reasonably well led.” He cited Afghan troops’ years of experience against a resilient insurgency, but he declined to say they are fully ready to stand up to the Taliban without direct international backing during a potential Taliban offensive. Lol So let's translate: if the afghan military doesn't fight they are great.
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Somaen posted:I just wanted to get more out of you so it becomes very clear that you are really ignorant of the situation and extremely stupid overall, you can't really talk about this in-depth here or anywhere else, especially with people from eastern europe with personal knowledge of the situation since you seem to be regurgitating propaganda you've read that you lack the skills to examine critically. Ukraine is a floundering democracy with a jewish president where the far right consistently gets <2% of the electoral vote, that is being invaded and sabotaged by a hostile, far-right proto-fascist state which had to invent stories about atrocities by the Ukrainian far-right in its propaganda campaigns to justify the invasion and annexation of the territory. If there is any morally justifiable support for a state, this is it, the US is objectively doing good here by supporting Ukraine militarily and by supporting building democratic institutions. lol loving dusted
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Gen. Mark Milley described the Afghan military and police as “reasonably well equipped, reasonably well trained, reasonably well led.” He cited Afghan troops’ years of experience against a resilient insurgency, but he declined to say they are fully ready to stand up to the Taliban without direct international backing during a potential Taliban offensive. Its been 20 years, if they aren't ready now they will never ever be ready
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I love it when (relatively) candid speech gets leaked.quote:In a leaked audiotape that offers a glimpse into the behind-the-scenes power struggles of Iranian leaders, Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said the Revolutionary Guards Corps call the shots, overruling many government decisions and ignoring advice. quote:Mr. Zarif said Russia did not want the agreement to succeed and “put all its weight” behind creating obstacles because it was not in Moscow’s interests for Iran to normalize relations with the West. To that end, Mr. Zarif said, General Suleimani traveled to Russia to “demolish our achievement,” meaning the nuclear deal. quote:Former Secretary of State John Kerry informed him that Israel had attacked Iranian interests in Syria at least 200 times, to his astonishment, Mr. Zarif said. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/world/middleeast/iran-suleimani-zarif.html
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What I've come to realize over the last 7 years of following this conflict is that the Afghan war is going to end with a right-wing death squad running around killing people as the only semblance of a fighting force post-taliban victory, that's our lasting impact. We've already seen this right wing militia running around and murdering entire schools of her children just because they are religious and this is the only way they can stop the next generation of Taliban fighters from existing. So at the end of the day we have literally created a force that will be motivated by the drug trade that has successfully become America's Taliban.
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