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Someday I'm going to write a Trek-like and there's going to be an episode where the characters visit a low-level civilization and give them nice things and instead of messing everyone up it will make things better and the people will be happy.
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CainFortea posted:They also didn't know that anything else existed, and once they did learn about it they assimilated stuff to their biology, or destroyed it. Also I think there was a thing about kess learning that they'd already gone full crusade on all life in their universe. I'm hazier on that second part. Basically they come from another universe that is fluidic space. Their ships are organic on some level too. The Borg were the ones that invaded their universe and tried to assimilate them but lmao their biology and tech was far more advanced and they got pissed off. In part because they are the only life form in their universe and the second they encountered something different they freaked out and saw it as something that needed to die and had a lot of hate for the Borg for ruining the purity of their universe. They have mental powers too. Their ships can take out a Borg fleet in seconds and combine fire power to destroy planets. Their biology if they touch you can kill you in a way similar to assimilation cause their cells are badass. If it wasn’t for Voyager working with the Borg to figure out how to assimilate their biology the Borg were hosed. I’m also not sure Species cared about loving with anyone other than the Borg but I do think there’s a follow up episode that addresses the fallout that by Voyager helping the Borg like this there was a civilization that was then assimilateable and their last dude wanted revenge on Voyager.
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May 4, 2021 01:31
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If they were the only species in their universe and their universe had no planets, why would they have weapons capable of destroying planets? Or weapons at all? Did they make war on one another before the Borg came?
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May 4, 2021 01:33
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Applewhite posted:If they were the only species in their universe and their universe had no planets, why would they have weapons capable of destroying planets? Or weapons at all? Did they make war on one another before the Borg came? We don’t know if their universe had planets or not. I assume so. But their universe is some kind of fluid instead of vacuum They were set up as an impressive threat that ended in a kind of wet fart in their only follow ups, one being the Chakotay episode and then in another where the Hirogen were hunting down those that were trapped in our universe with no way back
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May 4, 2021 01:35
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It's Phlogiston, we were so close to that Spelljammer season of VOY
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May 4, 2021 01:37
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Mulaney Power Move posted:Zephram Cochrane: I don't want to be a statue!
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May 4, 2021 01:43
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Gatts posted:Basically they come from another universe that is fluidic space. Their ships are organic on some level too. The Borg were the ones that invaded their universe and tried to assimilate them but lmao their biology and tech was far more advanced and they got pissed off. In part because they are the only life form in their universe and the second they encountered something different they freaked out and saw it as something that needed to die and had a lot of hate for the Borg for ruining the purity of their universe. They have mental powers too. Their ships can take out a Borg fleet in seconds and combine fire power to destroy planets. Their biology if they touch you can kill you in a way similar to assimilation cause their cells are badass. If it wasn’t for Voyager working with the Borg to figure out how to assimilate their biology the Borg were hosed. I’m also not sure Species cared about loving with anyone other than the Borg but I do think there’s a follow up episode that addresses the fallout that by Voyager helping the Borg like this there was a civilization that was then assimilateable and their last dude wanted revenge on Voyager. I remember at one point they'd decided to wipe out all life in our galaxy, just to be sure. The Borg are the only ones bothering them now, but they could not tolerate the risk that some other lifeform from our galaxy would poke their nose into fluidic space. Sort of the reaction most of us have to bed bugs. For some reason their plan to wipe out all life in our galaxy involved simulating star fleet academy, so they could practice existing in our weird non-fluidic space. Based off Voyager's records, I guess. But then Voyager found the simulation and the guys who had been simulating humans decided maybe we're not so bad after all. I don't remember how it was resolved tho. Good thing they never found out about the mycelial network.
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May 4, 2021 01:49
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FlamingLiberal posted:Right but a bunch of them had already seen the scientist, right? It wasn't just Ray Wise. I think what they were going for was that fear of the unknown might lead those proto-vulcans to some kind of witch hunt trying to sus out what happened. But explaining it would simply leave them with a story, one that the others of the planet would probably not even believe.
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May 4, 2021 01:52
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8472 were massively powerful xenophobes that could defeat the Borg but they weren't assimilators or a homogenising swarm. They could infect things parasitically but that just ate you up from the inside until you died.
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May 4, 2021 01:54
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CainFortea posted:I think what they were going for was that fear of the unknown might lead those proto-vulcans to some kind of witch hunt trying to sus out what happened. But explaining it would simply leave them with a story, one that the others of the planet would probably not even believe. Yeah if it was a populated planet outside of what we saw I think leaving a dozen or so random villagers behind to rant and rave about seeing the men disappear would be the better option. Obviously this is a hypothetical for yuks and I quite like the episode because of how everything escalates, but I was watching it last night thinking about the ramifications of even bringing one of them on the space ship to be like "See I'm no god, I merely live in space and fly around in this ship with a bunch of aliens!"
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May 4, 2021 02:09
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Also I think there was a bit about how they're proto-vulcans, and logic should appeal to them.
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May 4, 2021 02:11
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CainFortea posted:Also I think there was a bit about how they're proto-vulcans, and logic should appeal to them. That is a good point, I forgot about that bit.
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May 4, 2021 02:14
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Facebook Aunt posted:I remember at one point they'd decided to wipe out all life in our galaxy, just to be sure. The Borg are the only ones bothering them now, but they could not tolerate the risk that some other lifeform from our galaxy would poke their nose into fluidic space. Sort of the reaction most of us have to bed bugs. That was pretty much it. They shake hands and agree to not kill all humanoids. I was a bit bummed they weren't coaxed into becoming explorers by Janeway as they were clearly finding some enjoyment in play-acting Starfleet. Their initial aggression was in response to the borg invasion, but they were living in boring homogeneous "fluidic" space with nothing of interest. Suddenly they have this opportunity to experience a new plane of existence, but they just go home.
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May 4, 2021 02:18
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CainFortea posted:Also I think there was a bit about how they're proto-vulcans, and logic should appeal to them. Perhaps they were protological.
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May 4, 2021 02:19
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So am I right in thinking that the Klingon empire is running off the backs of hundreds of millions of slaves? Like "conquest" is a romantic word, but we are talking about global despoilation and enslavement of less advanced peoples, right? And cultural relativism makes it okay for the federation to have normalized relations with them and officer exchange programs, etc.
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May 4, 2021 02:35
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Danaru posted:I couldnt get in to SS13 when I played it, but the stories are always great Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy plays out literally like an SS13 round  .
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May 4, 2021 02:51
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DebonaireD posted:So am I right in thinking that the Klingon empire is running off the backs of hundreds of millions of slaves? Like "conquest" is a romantic word, but we are talking about global despoilation and enslavement of less advanced peoples, right? And cultural relativism makes it okay for the federation to have normalized relations with them and officer exchange programs, etc. to the victor goes the spoils, you coward!
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May 4, 2021 02:53
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Im sure klingons have no problem beaming down to some subsistence protosociety, shouting "haha!" before putting millions to the batleth.
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May 4, 2021 02:57
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DebonaireD posted:Im sure klingons have no problem beaming down to some subsistence protosociety, shouting "haha!" before putting millions to the batleth. They destroyed the great Tribble Empire
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Gatts posted:They destroyed the great Tribble Empire No attempt to negotiate a peaceful solution with the Tribbles, no thoughts for tribble birth control, just hordes of klingons with flamethrowers scouring the planet.
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May 4, 2021 03:29
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DebonaireD posted:So am I right in thinking that the Klingon empire is running off the backs of hundreds of millions of slaves? Like "conquest" is a romantic word, but we are talking about global despoilation and enslavement of less advanced peoples, right? And cultural relativism makes it okay for the federation to have normalized relations with them and officer exchange programs, etc. Probably more of a tribute/protection sort of situation with non-Klingon subjects of the Empire. Vassal states.
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May 4, 2021 03:54
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DebonaireD posted:So am I right in thinking that the Klingon empire is running off the backs of hundreds of millions of slaves? Like "conquest" is a romantic word, but we are talking about global despoilation and enslavement of less advanced peoples, right? And cultural relativism makes it okay for the federation to have normalized relations with them and officer exchange programs, etc. The Federation created holograms and gave them sentience just to enslave them all in dilithium mines for eternity.
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May 4, 2021 04:06
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Equipped with a geologist's pick no less
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Couldn’t they just make a swarm of holographic picks instead of holographic people holding picks?
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Gutcruncher posted:Couldn’t they just make a swarm of holographic picks instead of holographic people holding picks? Who would pick up the rocks, IDIOT???
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DebonaireD posted:Im sure klingons have no problem beaming down to some subsistence protosociety, shouting "haha!" before putting millions to the batleth. There's an episode in Enterprise where some crew are mining deuterium I think and klingons keep coming and taking all their haul and the crew helps them set up an ambush and gives them weapons and such.
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May 4, 2021 05:34
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The later shows mostly shied away from the nitty gritty of the conquered Klingon empire stuff. There's one episode where the Federation is mediating a Klingon subject planet that's rebelled and wants independence, and it's mention later on in the show they got it in the end. They say the planet has had to rebel to get that far, but by the TNG era the Klingons 'tolerate' rebellions and planets that win their freedom, whereas in earlier times they would've just wiped them out. That said, I get the impression that a lot of the Empire's size is just frantic loving and filling up every world in their way that's colonisable. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:16 on May 4, 2021 |
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May 4, 2021 06:08
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Anybody have any clips of picard saying Dater instead of Data? Trying to win an internet argument and its very important. Id even take an episode number. Please. I am desperate. 
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May 4, 2021 06:49
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Picard can't mispronounce Data because his pronunciation is the canon one.
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May 4, 2021 07:16
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I have started Star Trek Discovery and my wife has tagged along, her first time watching any Star Trek. We're 5-6 episodes in and it's been good to have someone to bitch to about how much I hate Star Trek. It's borderline surreal how bad it has been. How much loving room does Michael and redhead need. Why not split it into two rooms?! Also I'm really into monetary economics and like central banks and poo poo like that so if anybody has poo poo about how the economics of star trek works, I'm in. I know there's trekonomics, but if anybody has anything, i'd love to have it to SPARE MY loving MIND FROM THIS DRIVEL
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May 4, 2021 10:05
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May 4, 2021 10:07
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Yeah I guess the question is allocation of resources in a world where there's no scarcity. I guess i have to read marx to understand it
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May 4, 2021 10:11
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allocation of resources doesn't happen. everyone just gets everything they want because of magic. except for weapons I guess
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May 4, 2021 10:17
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federation economics was always nonsense, but it was pleasant, utopian nonsense. but now thanks to picard the federation is all capitalism and neoliberalism. and now s2 is going to ruin q somehow.
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bollig posted:I have started Star Trek Discovery and my wife has tagged along, her first time watching any Star Trek. We're 5-6 episodes in and it's been good to have someone to bitch to about how much I hate Star Trek. It's borderline surreal how bad it has been. How much loving room does Michael and redhead need. Why not split it into two rooms?! Why not watch through TNG/DS9 era to get her into it?
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Zesty posted:Why not watch through TNG/DS9 era to get her into it? Well a lot of my friends really liked season 3 of Discovery. But in retrospect they were all people who say Voyager is their favorite series, but generally speaking I thought it would be fun to like watch a Star Trek series week-to-week, something I've never done. And then when it's off the air, go back to TNG. She actually doesn't mind it all things considered and she's sort of like me in that we're both write/have written for a living so we can bitch about the dialogue and about how on-the-nose everything is. It's something inoffensive that we can put on in the background and barely pay attention to.
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I have a three year old son who is way into trains. And he has figured out how to turn the Chromecast on and navigate to Netflix. So I was peeing one time and I heard the unmistakable sounds of Star Trek in the background. I came back in and Picard had said something about going to the next "station". And my son got really excited because he thought it meant a train station. But I said 'no buddy, it's a space station'. But he keeps asking if he can watch 'space station'.
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Like if you want shiny garbage Discovery is great If you want something actually interesting to watch, DS9 is a much better choice for a Trek introduction and probably easier to get into than TNG since it's set up with seasonlong arcs instead of TNG's self-contained episodes.
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bollig posted:Yeah I guess the question is allocation of resources in a world where there's no scarcity. I guess i have to read marx to understand it I recommend Kropotkin over Marx because I believe he actually explains the mechanics of how an economy without money would work.
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bollig posted:Well a lot of my friends really liked season 3 of Discovery. But in retrospect they were all people who say Voyager is their favorite series, but generally speaking I thought it would be fun to like watch a Star Trek series week-to-week, something I've never done. And then when it's off the air, go back to TNG. She actually doesn't mind it all things considered and she's sort of like me in that we're both write/have written for a living so we can bitch about the dialogue and about how on-the-nose everything is. It's something inoffensive that we can put on in the background and barely pay attention to. Discovery is really terrible and not even interesting enough to watch ironically. Personally I feel like you’re wasting your time. TNG is corny and dumb but at the end of all but a handful of episodes you’re left with a good feeling, like things will all turn out right in the end.
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