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His Divine Shadow posted:Pictures please, this is intriguing... Serve it in a wrap with hummus and hotsauce. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4uTeheluFI
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Noxville posted:I can’t even get down with cauliflower cheese, I’ve sadly given up hope of finding a way of cooking it that makes it palatable to me Cauliflower cheese is just a waste of perfectly good cheesy sauce.
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May 4, 2021 12:47
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Mebh posted:I want a left wing government, not a poo poo neoliberal excuse for a party that will do nothing useful and fall on its arse making the next election after they win go even more rightward. If there's something to take away from 30 years of Labour boosting neoliberalism it's that the left supporting a Labour Party that offers them crumbs does nothing good. Socialist ideas just become harder and harder to imagine for the public as realistic, to the point that even limp social democratic ideas are dismissed as implausible fantasy. I'm not going accept the least worst option anymore. It's not accelerationism that makes me want Labour destroyed to make way for a new party of the left, it's quite the opposite. The crumbs aren't enough. The little New Labour offers is not enough. Accepting the status quo is a reactionary position.
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May 4, 2021 12:59
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therattle posted:I hope you roast your broccoli. Made these barbecued teriyaki tofu steaks with broccoli & courgettes the other week, they're excellent (the food photography on that page isn't great so you might have to trust me). stev posted:Cauliflower cheese is just a waste of perfectly good cheesy sauce. I legit enjoy the leftovers from Sunday lunch more than the lunch itself.
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May 4, 2021 13:07
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I think it's astonishingly unlikely we get a viable new left wing party but it's also astonishingly unlikely we can turn labour into that
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May 4, 2021 13:11
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Properly boiled broccoli is delicious. I never got the broccoli hate until I stayed at a friends house and discovered the taste and texture of broccoli thats been on the boil for far too long. It should have crunch! I'd rather eat it raw than overboiled again.
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May 4, 2021 13:12
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Your should steam your broccoli instead of boiling it if you want to avoid overdoing it 🥦
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May 4, 2021 13:13
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Broccoli tastes of rubber, unless you put butter on it, then it tastes of butter and rubber. There I said it. Chickpeas is where its at
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May 4, 2021 13:19
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Raw broccoli works well as a coleslaw with dried cranberries and some chopped nuts.
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May 4, 2021 13:22
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yeah I steam broccoli (and fry the stem) and it's always been lovely. technically I actually boil it in very little water because I don't have the equipment I could eat a vegetarian diet but the promise of dying 10 years earlier is too good to pass up
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May 4, 2021 13:25
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Bits of stalk go in the bottom of the pan, florets on top, a couple of cm water in the bottom. The stalky bits boil and the steamy bits steam, everyone's happy. E: I've been away from work for a few days on hols and jesus loving crisps it's difficult to get motivated again
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May 4, 2021 13:33
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All this meat chat reminds me, there was a thing the other week where (I think) a study plotting reduction in beef consumption against reduction in cow emissions was seized up by the Mail, and somehow turned into "Joe Biden's climate plan means you'll be rationed to one burger a month", to predictable outrage. Which made me think, is that so unreasonable? I'm down to less than that anyway, without Biden telling me to, having the occasional beef burger as a treat, but lots of delicious chickpea burgers. Guavanaut posted:Broadband toilets and free genders. Careful, basic economics says there's infinite demand for a free good 
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May 4, 2021 13:33
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Bobstar posted:Which made me think, is that so unreasonable? I'm down to less than that anyway, without Biden telling me to, having the occasional beef burger as a treat, but lots of delicious chickpea burgers. It's perfectly reasonable, but most people are not at all reasonable. I eat basically no red meat, very little chicken, some fish, but shitloads of prawns, veg, tofu., etc. Seems like a pretty reasonable hierarchy of animal suffering and environmental impact (don't come at me with that seaspiracy poo poo)
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May 4, 2021 13:49
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Communist Thoughts posted:I think it's astonishingly unlikely we get a viable new left wing party but it's also astonishingly unlikely we can turn labour into that Sure, it'd be a hugely uphill struggle for any new left party to not end up like just the usual Trot party that tops out at 500 members who care more about selling their lovely paper than politics & collapses with some sort of awful sex scandal.
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May 4, 2021 13:53
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Failed Imagineer posted:It's perfectly reasonable, but most people are not at all reasonable. I haven't seen seaspiracy but I do have a degree in marine biology and know that the seas really are dying thanks to climate change and overfishing. I absolutely hate it when people stop eating beef for environmental reasons but continue to eat fish just as readily.
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May 4, 2021 13:58
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The only ethical diet is veganism, and the only tolerably ethical diet is vegetarianism
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May 4, 2021 14:00
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Aphex- posted:I haven't seen seaspiracy but I do have a degree in marine biology and know that the seas really are dying thanks to climate change and overfishing. I absolutely hate it when people stop eating beef for environmental reasons but continue to eat fish just as readily. They most certainly are, that's not the seaspiracy stuff I take issue with. And again, I eat a lot less fish, maybe once a fortnight from Sustainable Seafood Ireland, and Dublin Bay prawns. No argument that humanity's relationship to the sea is just as rapacious as every other biome
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May 4, 2021 14:06
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Meat makes up around 10% of people's carbon emissions, it's a good idea to cut down but it's not the end of the world if people don't. The real issue is how much carbon emissions are baked into existing in a western society at the moment, so even all the meaningful changes to your lifestyle in the world won't do all the work themselves. And this further ignores that as you'd expect, the richest people in the UK are those responsible for the most carbon emissions. Indervidual action will not fix the systemic flaws that lead to climate change. Also beef takes alot more energy (and therefore carbon emissions) per kg than fish does. There are other enviromental reasons to favour fish over land based meat, but there's msny different aspects to "environmentally friendly" and not everyone gives a poo poo about the same ones as you do. Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 14:09 on May 4, 2021 |
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May 4, 2021 14:06
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Bobstar posted:Careful, basic economics says there's infinite demand for a free good  multijoe posted:The only ethical diet is veganism, and the only tolerably ethical diet is vegetarianism Non-meat textured protein and non-dairy milk have both come on leaps and bounds. Failed Imagineer posted:They most certainly are, that's not the seaspiracy stuff I take issue with. 
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May 4, 2021 14:09
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Guavanaut posted:
Are there any good ones? I've heard Violife is ok but am reluctant to be disappointed. When I finally someday get my Beyond Burgers from Tesco it would be nice to have a nonshit cheese to top it
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May 4, 2021 14:11
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https://twitter.com/MargotNotR0bbie/status/1389360864193662981 https://twitter.com/MargotNotR0bbie/status/1389371420032094211 BBC continues to be poo poo shocker. The faux neutrality is almost as bad as blatant propogandising.
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May 4, 2021 14:17
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multijoe posted:The only ethical diet is veganism, and the only tolerably ethical diet is vegetarianism This is true. I eat meat and fish but very occasionally. I shouldn’t but I just like it too much. Wife is vegetarian. Has been vegan on and off but cheese and yoghurt* are her nemesis. *Tim’s Dairy yoghurt is amazing. Especially the raspberry.
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May 4, 2021 14:18
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Also beef takes alot more energy (and therefore carbon emissions) per kg than fish does. There are other enviromental reasons to favour fish over land based meat, but there's msny different aspects to "environmentally friendly" and not everyone gives a poo poo about the same ones as you do. This is why I was pescatarian for a while but I’m not sure how valid this is in the light of more recent studies that show a duck loaf of carbon is displaced from the seabed and released into the water (and then the air) through the dredging that many commercial fishers use: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210317-sea-bed-dredging-emits-as-much-carbon-as-aviation-study
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Borrovan posted:Ignoring just quite whatever the hell is wrong with your palette there's not enough green and the blue and red are all mixed together
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May 4, 2021 14:19
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multijoe posted:The only ethical diet is veganism, and the only tolerably ethical diet is vegetarianism That's the first time I've seen the words "vegan" and "tolerable" used in the same sentence.
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May 4, 2021 14:21
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Jedit posted:That's the first time I've seen the words "vegan" and "tolerable" used in the same sentence. I don't believe this is true. Anyway, in my experience as a lifelong vegetarian I gotta say that I have been bothered/bored to tears by people who eat meat way more than vegans. God it's loving tedious.
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May 4, 2021 14:24
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Doesn't mean IP rights aren't bullshit, but this isn't evil Bill Gates shutting off vaccine production from the Third world via IP law - it's decades of neocolonialism making it such much of the Third world doesn't have the expertise or production facilities to make vaccines reguardless of the IP status and partnership deals. Saying that they don't currently have those facilities and then saying they shouldn't build them is continuing the status quo where US companies make the drugs and then ship them over. AZ may say they're making the drug 'at cost' but I suspect that the way they work out the cost of making the vaccine involves some very hollywood accounting. Guavanaut posted:I hope non-dairy cheese gets a lot better sometime soon. I wish there were more lactose free cheeses, it'd be nice to be able to enjoy pizza without having to take lactase half an hour beforehand. Sheeze and violife can gently caress right off.
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May 4, 2021 14:26
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forkboy84 posted:I don't believe this is true. You mean hearing the same three jokes about vegetarians for nearly forty years isn't fun for you? Curious
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May 4, 2021 14:27
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Hey that's not fair. It's gone from "but if meat bad then why bacon taste so good, huh" to "but if no eat meat then why make your fake foods look like bacon, huh" now.
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May 4, 2021 14:30
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I absolutely can't wait for lab grown meat. No tendons or stringy bits, just perfect big chunks of steak.
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therattle posted:This is true. I eat meat and fish but very occasionally. I shouldn’t but I just like it too much. Wife is vegetarian. Has been vegan on and off but cheese and yoghurt* are her nemesis. Yeah for me it's 1) that eating enough protein on a purely vegan diet would be a nightmare and probably end up requiring downright unhealthy amounts of protein powder and 2) dairy is just insanely good in cooking and the day I make margarine shortbread or dairy free caramel will be a cold day in hell
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May 4, 2021 14:32
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Noxville posted:a duck loaf of carbon Most fitting autocorrect ever. Mmmm...carbonised duck loaf...
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May 4, 2021 14:34
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forkboy84 posted:I don't believe this is true. I am not vegan but the "how do you know if someone is vegan? wait 5 minutes and they'll tell you" thing always seems in practice to be the moment anyone reveals they're vegan they spend the next hour being peppered with questions about what that's like and how they manage
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Noxville posted:I absolutely hate broccoli, and cauliflower. All brassicas so probably the same genetic thing that makes me loathe sprouts. Root vegetables are definitely my thing, carrots, parsnips, beetroot are all aces. What about mustard?
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May 4, 2021 14:39
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The corollary to the "how do you tell if someone's a vegan" joke is "How do you know if someone isn't a vegan? Tell them you are".
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I don't care for animal suffering, therefore don't care for the moral arguments for veganism. If you do, fair play to you to get angry or evangelical about it. But meh, industrial slaughter of pigs to give me delicious bacon doesn't bother me.
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Pizza is definitely the main reason I don't see myself going vegan. I've used vegan parmesan in pestos (home made pesto isn't great value if you don't have basil in your garden but god it's loving scrummy) but yeah, on a Pizza I need cheese. Don't even have Pizza all that often but I want the possibility to remain
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I seem to remember the vegan cheese they use at the pizza bar thingies in Asda being pretty good, I'd eat it by choice but jfc the macros on vegan cheese
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There are two made up wolves inside you, one is a made up vegan lecturing their friends about how meat is murder, the other is a made up carnivore harrassing vegans over dinner. The one that wins is neither, because they only exist on reddit. E: as an obligate carnivore the vegan wolf is also unlikely to win because it looks so weak
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A vegan wolf in electric sheep's clothing.
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