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for fringe benefits, sure, but for the staples of poo poo like health insurance... eh
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May 4, 2021 17:57
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refleks posted:common mistake danes are more overtly racist than the dutch. it is only an american obsession with symbology that makes people think differently.
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May 4, 2021 17:57
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Eeyo posted:“I strongly disagree we live in a white supremacist culture,” Singer said. “I don't believe in a lot of the framing around implicit bias. I think a lot of this is actually racist.” it's basically "i don't like what you're saying would imply if it was true, therefore it isn't"
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May 4, 2021 18:28
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Eeyo posted:“I strongly disagree we live in a white supremacist culture,” Singer said. “I don't believe in a lot of the framing around implicit bias. I think a lot of this is actually racist.” he means this 
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May 4, 2021 18:35
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https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1389224407176937472 Look, you just can't be marginalized if you are in tech. 
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May 4, 2021 19:00
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I thought the pinboard guy was cool
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May 4, 2021 19:06
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nvrgrls posted:I thought the pinboard guy was cool the pinboard guy is mostly cool but there's deffo some clunkers in that catalog
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May 4, 2021 19:10
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cool. they can't all be gold posts
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May 4, 2021 19:11
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Anyway. I think any company exec that reads about this basecamp nonsense is going to walk away thinking "those morons posted internal policy changes on company public-facing blog, thank god our company isn't stupid and does not do that".
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May 4, 2021 19:12
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DHH was always a self-righteous blowhard but a bit of a shame that there's no industry guy who's going to be the one pushing "VC sucks and is bad for society" maybe Tim O'Reilly? https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/26/tim-oreilly-makes-a-persuasive-case-for-why-venture-capital-is-starting-to-do-more-harm-than-good/ kinda goes to show that as with Chamath Palihapitiya trying to be the "I'm the good crypto-hyping SPAC-hustler venture capitalist, I run a fund called Social Capital and tweet in support of WallStreetBets and dunk on CNBC hosts on live TV", all of these guys are just posing I like Tim's books though and he's an old-timer so maybe he's cool
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May 4, 2021 19:15
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nvrgrls posted:Anyway. I think any company exec that reads about this basecamp nonsense is going to walk away thinking "those morons posted internal policy changes on company public-facing blog, thank god our company isn't stupid and does not do that".
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May 4, 2021 19:16
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are they the ones that have no private email and instead all emails are posted to a series of nested listservs
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May 4, 2021 19:17
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nvrgrls posted:cool.
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May 4, 2021 19:24
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rotor posted:honestly none of this would be even remotely newsworthy if these dipshits hadnt been held up as management wunderkinds for the last decade or so eh, Rework was at the top of the last decade. They've only been noteworthy in the background since. Now I'm wondering what skeletons are in Fog Creek Software's closet. They unionized, but they lost a third of the workforce anyway: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/22/21268007/glitch-layoffs-substantial-number-coding-platform-union
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May 4, 2021 19:25
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Maximo Roboto posted:eh, Rework was at the top of the last decade. They've only been noteworthy in the background since. they laid people off because they don't have a product and have no revenue tho, not to get rid of the woke troublemakers
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May 4, 2021 19:27
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the talent deficit posted:they laid people off because they don't have a product and have no revenue tho, not to get rid of the woke troublemakers i thought FCS was behind poo poo like stack overflow / discourse / fogbugz or whatever
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May 4, 2021 19:32
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yeah and has anyone used fogbugz in a decade
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May 4, 2021 19:33
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Zamujasa posted:i thought FCS was behind poo poo like stack overflow / discourse / fogbugz or whatever snack overflow is jef fatwood fogbugz is joel spolsky idk who discourse is
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May 4, 2021 19:33
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the talent deficit posted:they laid people off because they don't have a product and have no revenue tho, not to get rid of the woke troublemakers yeah lol at the end of the day for all of their books and essays about management, both 37Signals and Fog Creek are relics of that weird lull in the tech industry between the dot com bust and before the current era really took off. Instead of trying to get with the times and become unicorns they opted to become thought leaders. Turns out becoming a thought leader doesn't save your moral soul nor does it make for a profitable company
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May 4, 2021 19:35
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Zamujasa posted:i thought FCS was behind poo poo like stack overflow / discourse / fogbugz or whatever nah. stack overflow is also owned by sposky and discourse spun out of stack overflow but fog creek (now glitch) only does glitch i think. i think even fogbugz got sold
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May 4, 2021 19:36
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rotor posted:idk who discourse is it's also jeff fatwood
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May 4, 2021 19:37
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rotor posted:snack overflow is jef fatwood six course is also by chef fatwood
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May 4, 2021 19:37
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all i remember about fog creek was that weird webputty poo poo that was just a live css editor, when jsfiddle already existed. the only thing people thought of when they saw it was "wait, isn't that dumb lizard thing the notepad++ icon" i think they also made trello before atlassian ate it
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May 4, 2021 19:37
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all I remember about Fog Creek is people reposting Spolsky's essays ad nauseum and using them to denounce the the perils of JavaSchools and the State of CS Education These Days, or why you should never rewrite a software program and other stuff he wrote in 2005 he wasn't entirely wrong but it did get cargo culty after a while
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May 4, 2021 19:40
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also just remembering that jeffatwood showed up on something awful to espouse the values of ~gamification~ wheres my medal for shitposting
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May 4, 2021 19:42
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the talent deficit posted:nah. stack overflow is also owned by sposky and discourse spun out of stack overflow but fog creek (now glitch) only does glitch i think. i think even fogbugz got sold "The website was created by Jeff Atwood and Joel Spolsky in 2008.[7]" huh. i did not remember that.
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May 4, 2021 19:44
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lmao finally he's getting backlash for his "Netscape 5.0 means you should never ever rewrite software" axiom: https://radialdevgroup.com/blog/joel-spolsky-was-wrong/ https://medium.com/cyberark-engineering/joel-is-wrong-and-it-costs-you-a-fortune-105924be8f01 Oh hey thought leader on thought leader arguing: https://signalvnoise.com/posts/3856-the-big-rewrite-revisited Anyway, back to the thread topic, was dhh the only big industry person bashing venture funding in these terms? The problem is that he sort of turned himself into a crank for it, and ended up poisoning the cause https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1195019455912218624 https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1195009383349903361 https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1377210518532939781 way to discredit VC critique with your own personal failings, dumbass
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May 4, 2021 19:46
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So this Singer guy seems to have been playing footsie with white replacement talking points for at least a decade now, which isn't all that surprising I suppose, but lol at the history of the "no politics" founders earnestly engaging with his dumbass takes: https://twitter.com/hagitprop/status/1388224100636758016 This thread reminds me of one bit from that article that I don't think I've seen anyone else comment on yet: Casey Newton posted:Along the way, he had also alienated some of his coworkers by promoting conservative views. In 2016, three employees said, he praised right-wing website Breitbart’s coverage of the presidential election in an internal forum. (About a week before rolling out the policy changes, the founders deleted nearly two decades of internal conversations from previous instances of Basecamp and its other collaboration products. Among other things, this made it more difficult for employees I spoke with to accurately describe past interactions with Singer in the forums.) Retaining internal comms for two decades and making them accessible to all employees seems like an, uh, unconventional choice. Blowing that up in the middle of an internal controversy while announcing dramatic policy changes sure seems like a hell of a choice, too. Frankly, I'm impressed by how they took the many goofy things they were doing and then abruptly changed those goofy things in the goofiest, most dramatic, most disruptive way possible.
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May 4, 2021 19:52
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Maximo Roboto posted:
the dude was in bed the whole time ok cut him some slack
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May 4, 2021 19:52
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Blotto_Otter posted:Frankly, I'm impressed by how they took the many goofy things they were doing and then abruptly changed those goofy things in the goofiest, most dramatic, most disruptive way possible. that's what makes it so funny
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May 4, 2021 19:55
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rotor posted:the dude was in bed the whole time ok cut him some slack I just wonder if there's anyone else bothering to criticize VCs
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May 4, 2021 20:05
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Maximo Roboto posted:I just wonder if there's anyone else bothering to criticize VCs you mean like publicly successful people with a media voice? pinboard dude springs to mind.
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May 4, 2021 20:06
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rotor posted:the dude was in bed the whole time ok cut him some slack whom amongst us
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May 4, 2021 20:10
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rotor posted:that's what makes it so funny I don't ever recall seeing a corncobbing of an entire tech company before, I can't get enough of this story
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May 4, 2021 20:33
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nvrgrls posted:I thought the pinboard guy was cool pinboard guy is from a very poor country and his perspective on americans complaining about anything ever is very directly related to that
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May 4, 2021 20:48
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what the hell is pinboard
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May 4, 2021 21:15
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lifg posted:what the hell is pinboard del.icio.us successor.
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May 4, 2021 21:17
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MrQueasy posted:del.icio.us successor. fact: pinboard eventually bought delicious, then killed it
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May 4, 2021 21:19
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rotor posted:fact: pinboard eventually bought delicious, then killed it thank you for not claiming that was a fun fact.
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