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Owlspiracy posted:i have some bad news for you on the political beliefs of the police
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If they dislike the far right so much you would think they might stop shoveling money at them.
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May 3, 2021 20:55
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OwlFancier posted:If they dislike the far right so much you would think they might stop shoveling money at them. who is they, posters in this thread?
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May 3, 2021 20:58
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I see so many posters on SA throwing around "liberal" like its a curse word. What version of this word are you using cause it sure ain't the one used the most in common parlance.
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May 3, 2021 21:14
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Outside of an american context it basically just means pro marketization/capitalism. In an american context it also means that except for some reason with "but not the republicans" tacked on.
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May 3, 2021 21:17
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OwlFancier posted:Outside of an american context it basically just means pro marketization/capitalism. In an american context it also means that except for some reason with "but not the republicans" tacked on. Gotcha. That's what I figured but the way it gets used really seems inconsistent a lot of the time in a way that makes it harder to parse out that distinction.
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May 3, 2021 21:19
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OwlFancier posted:Outside of an american context it basically just means pro marketization/capitalism. In an american context it also means that except for some reason with "but not the republicans" tacked on. no, to most people, liberal means something that is politically left of center. it has a different definition in the online left (neoliberalism; bad) and the right (anything not republican; bad).
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May 3, 2021 21:24
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Liberalism, to most people, means free market capitalism + I guess gays can marry. They're the fiscally right wing, socially left wing group. Nobody thinks of them as significantly left of center outside of the American right wing.
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May 3, 2021 21:30
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Owlspiracy posted:no, to most people, liberal means something that is politically left of center. it has a different definition in the online left (neoliberalism; bad) and the right (anything not republican; bad). that's fine but liberal literally does mean what Owl said, individual rights and free trade are a major part of what liberal means politically, that's why libertarian freaks like Dave Rubin call themselves 'classical liberals' and poo poo because they know in America that term has been so diluted and watered down it makes dumb people go 'liberals good, not republicans'.
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May 3, 2021 21:31
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Giggle Goose posted:Gotcha. That's what I figured but the way it gets used really seems inconsistent a lot of the time in a way that makes it harder to parse out that distinction. It's inconsistent because different groups of people use it to mean different things. American right wing media and politicians use "liberal" interchangeably with "leftist" because to them there's no difference or distinction, they mean the same thing to those people. American leftists use it to differentiate between people who want actual economic and social change, and people who are fine with the status quo aside from wishing it would be nicer to minorities, or at least some minorities. For example TERFs can be liberal in that they're often fully supportive of things like gay rights or criminal justice reform, but still want to discriminate against trans people. Again, to the American right, people like Freep, saying "I think it's fine to be gay" makes you the reincarnation of Karl Marx, but it's useful to be able to differentiate people who say "Capitalism is hosed up, trans rights, defund the police" and people who say "There's nothing wrong with capitalism if we just do it the right way, also we should help the homeless (but don't build homeless shelters in our city because it will drive down property values)."
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May 3, 2021 21:33
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I mean the american right also use it to describe anything that isn't them, but they also use the word communism to describe that so I wouldn't pay their use of language much mind. Generally if someone is using the word liberal as an invective from the left it probably means someone who they perceive the overriding objective of to be supporting capitalism, including its supporting structures of things like racism, class discrimination, and probably a bunch of lovely social ideas too (as many economic liberals really only support what you might call "progressive" positions out of convenience, as evidenced by how many of them were very lovely about it before various center/left parties and corporations decided they wanted to capitalize on the hard work of LGBT activists to get themselves into power/sell poo poo. Hence the use of the term "rainbow washing" whereby something that was up until fairly recently, near universally demonized by all parts of the mainstream political spectrum has instead become commodified by capital and center/left parties as a tool, but only insofar as it benefits them, which is why you will often see the same parties shying away from more currently-radical positions like trans rights (particularly in the UK) and also anything where social progressivism would interfere with economic liberalism (maybe you should be allowed to transition but you should still have to pay for it). Which also leads to things like the expression "liberals don't want a gay homeless kid to die because they're gay, they want them to die because they're poor" because they will rarely offer serious support to people who suffer because of the second-order effects of things like racism and anti LGBT discrimination, such as poverty. Also evident in their attitude to policing whereby they are generally extremely unwilling to consider scaling back the police (because the police exist to protect wealthy people and their stuff) despite this obviously causing a lot of problems for the people the police victimize. A typical liberal position is to basically complain about the visibly horrific effects of capitalism but to almost always oppose any direct attack against the causes of those effects, because they are unwilling to grapple with the fact that they must have the horrors if they want the things they like about the system. This as opposed to the right which is generally more coherent about liking both the cause and the effects. But the end result is very similar, the effects still happen whether the people in power profess sadness about it or jubilation. Hence, liberal means support for capitalism and marketization, liberals may profess or sometimes even hold other positions, but they are not a necessary component of liberalism. Only deviation from the economics will really get you shut out of power systemically, though sometimes concerted grassroots outcry has managed to make some of them stumble when they deviate sufficiently from socially progressive positions. However it is just as easily papered over if the person in question is sufficiently important, as is very helpfully demonstrated by Biden. Money and power are, as ever, the real things that matter. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 21:41 on May 3, 2021 |
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May 3, 2021 21:33
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Giggle Goose posted:Gotcha. That's what I figured but the way it gets used really seems inconsistent a lot of the time in a way that makes it harder to parse out that distinction. I think it’s kind of a dirty word hereabouts because it basically tends to mean republicans who think you should be able to use whatever bathroom you want, who are in control of the Democrat party; and in America are constantly labeled as “the left” except they are actually right of center.
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May 3, 2021 21:39
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I'm so glad that we have the freep thread, somewhere to 
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May 3, 2021 21:54
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Florida principal caught on secret camera paddling 6 year-old…quote:To: Red Badger quote:To: TexasGator quote:To: Red Badger quote:To: Pining_4_TX quote:To: Red Badger quote:o: Red Badger quote:To: Red Badger quote:To: TexasGator quote:To: Pining_4_TX quote:.
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May 3, 2021 21:58
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Finnankainen posted:Florida principal caught on secret camera paddling 6 year-old… i am going to assume just by the tone that the child wasn't white.
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May 3, 2021 22:01
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am going to assume just by the tone that the child wasn't white. Neither the child nor the teacher, if I'm thinking of the right video
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May 3, 2021 22:03
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Napoleon Nelson posted:Neither the child nor the teacher, if I'm thinking of the right video surprised freep isnt more divided in opinion then.
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May 3, 2021 22:04
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"We got spanked all the time and turned out fine!" say extremely racist, sexist group of people who want to commit genocide.quote:Interesting to see how many small government conservatives want to have the government, via teachers unions, spanking kids. This dude has Freep's number though. If you want to get Freep railing against spanking in schools, make up a fake story about a liberal teacher spanking a kid for saying God or something.
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May 3, 2021 22:04
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A lot of CHUDs I've encountered in the wild seem to care deeply about their right to beat their kids. I think it's mostly because their parents abused them, and they think it's either normal or that it simply would be unfair to not beat their kids. It's...pretty disturbing.
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May 3, 2021 22:09
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The correct response to "My parents beat me, and it never did me any harm" is "Yes it did. It made you think it was acceptable to beat children."
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Deptfordx posted:The correct response to "My parents beat me, and it never did me any harm" is "Yes it did. It made you think it was acceptable to beat children." It's crazy how the same people who think you have to be a manly man who manlies all the time also think it isn't pathetic to beat someone who is weaker, dumber and smaller then you by like a magnitude.
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May 4, 2021 14:11
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quote:The problem in schools today is that teachers fear the students instead of students fearing their teachers. Ah yes, fear based education. A sure recipe for success.
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May 4, 2021 14:13
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DarkCrawler posted:It's crazy how the same people who think you have to be a manly man who manlies all the time also think it isn't pathetic to beat someone who is weaker, dumber and smaller then you by like a magnitude. They view empathy as weakness
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May 4, 2021 15:57
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OwlFancier posted:
Lmfao wtf is this probe
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May 4, 2021 19:30
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:I'm so glad that we have the freep thread, somewhere to The modern far right owes a fair chunk of its ideology to anti-egalitarian liberalism, though? Like, fascism can quite accurately be described as the last line of defence of free-market capitalism - Nazi Germany, for instance, first coined the term 'privatisation'. quote:The month after being appointed Chancellor, Hitler made a personal appeal to German business leaders to help fund the Nazi Party for the crucial months that were to follow. He argued that they should support him in establishing a dictatorship because "private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democracy" and because democracy would allegedly lead to communism. In the following weeks, the Nazi Party received contributions from seventeen different business groups, with the largest coming from IG Farben and Deutsche Bank. Many of these businesses continued to support Hitler even during the war and even profited from persecution of the Jews. The most infamous being firms like Krupp, IG Farben, and some large automobile manufacturers. Historian Adam Tooze writes that the leaders of German business were therefore "willing partners in the destruction of political pluralism in Germany." In exchange, owners and managers of German businesses were granted unprecedented powers to control their workforce, collective bargaining was abolished and wages were frozen at a relatively low level. Business profits also rose very rapidly, as did corporate investment. A thread about mocking fascism that can't engage with the ideology's history and relationships is nothing but an exercise in idiocy and ignorance.
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May 4, 2021 19:48
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Just because freep and free market share some letters doesn't mean the random chuds posting on freep give an actual gently caress about some narrow economic interpretation of liberalism, or that such an interpretation has any place in this thread. They like the authoritarianism exhibited by strongmen throughout history, any economic discussion is completely vestigal. If you wanna scream about liberals there are other threads, or just go post on freep yourself, you'll find a receptive audience.
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May 4, 2021 20:02
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Pander posted:Just because freep and free market share some letters doesn't mean the random chuds posting on freep give an actual gently caress about some narrow economic interpretation of liberalism, or that such an interpretation has any place in this thread. They like the authoritarianism exhibited by strongmen throughout history, any economic discussion is completely vestigal. Yeah, this is the dumb poo poo I'm talking about. Freep's social Darwinism and 'muh freedoms' hypocrisy is heavily rooted in liberal intellectual tradition, and getting mad when people point that out helps nobody.
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May 4, 2021 20:07
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Ms Adequate posted:Lmfao wtf is this probe Meeting effort with effort.
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May 4, 2021 20:47
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So what's going on at Freerepublic.com right now? Why Did Biden Census Bureau Add 2.5 Million More Residents to Blue-State Population Count? OP posted:The original projections for the Census reapportionment had New York losing two seats, Rhode Island losing a seat and Illinois perhaps losing two seats. Instead, New York and Illinois only lost one seat, and Rhode Island lost no seats. Meanwhile, Texas was expected to gain three seats, Florida two seats and Arizona one seat. Instead, Texas gained only two seats, Florida only one and Arizona none.  quote:To: Kaslin quote:To: Thunder90 Common Core!  quote:To: Kaslin quote:To: Thunder90 quote:To: ptsal quote:To: Kaslin quote:To: Kaslin  quote:To: Kaslin Fake Votes! quote:To: Kaslin quote:To: Kaslin quote:To: Kaslin Waiiit a minute... quote:To: Kaslin quote:To: joe fonebone quote:To: Kaslin
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May 4, 2021 20:47
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Ms Adequate posted:Lmfao wtf is this probe D&D is a place for effort unless you're criticizing liberal establishment
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chitoryu12 posted:Biden is a normal dude who went through unspeakable trauma from his 20s. He was sworn in as the one of the youngest ever Senators in the hospital room with his injured young sons (one of whom would later die of cancer) after his wife and infant daughter were killed in a car crash when he was 29. He was a product of his time who has empathy and willingness to change, which is why he's no longer the man he was in the 1970s. He went from anti-gay legislation to pushing gay marriage legalization before Obama. People are just too loving internet brain poisoned. This post is worth a 3 day, yes. Yes.
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May 4, 2021 20:51
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that's also an insane probe yea what the hell
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May 4, 2021 20:54
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Just here to check out the liberals who can't bare to be told that their lovely ideology is the direct cause of the rise of the far right that's happening as we speak. Just lol if you think being an actual liberal who believes in liberalism in 2021 isn't the most shameful poo poo outside of being an actual MAGA-hat wearing chud (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 4, 2021 20:56
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:This post is worth a 3 day, yes. Yes. lmfao that's incredible. What about that seemed like a shithead, it's literally empathizing with what Biden has been through. You can happily disagree with the assessment or think he hasn't changed nearly enough or that his personal experiences are irrelevant to [Awful thing the US/West is currently doing/supporting] but...
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May 4, 2021 21:09
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Ms Adequate posted:lmfao that's incredible. What about that seemed like a shithead, it's literally empathizing with what Biden has been through. You can happily disagree with the assessment or think he hasn't changed nearly enough or that his personal experiences are irrelevant to [Awful thing the US/West is currently doing/supporting] but... Yeah, he was a shithead later with the Tara Reade callout, but that post was not probe worthy.
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May 4, 2021 21:23
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OwlFancier posted:I mean the american right also use it to describe anything that isn't them, but they also use the word communism to describe that so I wouldn't pay their use of language much mind. This post is 1000% correct and this probe is stupid as hell.
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edit: i got really confused lol
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May 4, 2021 21:55
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is jim rob dead yet
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On Trump's new "communications platform" (a website where he puts out press releases in a stream that kinda sorta looks like social media but without all those pesky other people)quote:Looking forward to seeing what President Trump has in store! I’m sure he’s been working on quite a lot behind the scenes. Now that he’s not stuck doing all the day to day work of President, he’s free to focus on his goals to Make America Great Again!
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OwlFancier posted:I mean the american right also use it to describe anything that isn't them, but they also use the word communism to describe that so I wouldn't pay their use of language much mind. gently caress this probation
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