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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Jenner and Cox's strategy of making the recall 100% a referendum on COVID measures, lockdowns, and hypocrisy has a big chance to backfire if we get into November and the lockdowns are lifted, most people are vaccinated, and the economy is opened back up. Cox has the bear at least.
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Gaupo Guacho posted:Has there been any attempts to address the fact that man of the perpetrators of recent anti-Asian violence have been ethnic minorities themselves? I do not see it mentioned anywhere, particularly in liberal and leftist spaces. I was even probated in an earlier version of this thread for even suggesting it. Many of the attacks against Asian-Americans committed in the last seven days were committed by demonstrably non-white assailants. I don't have an agenda I'm attempting to push here other than the fact that this feels like a form of outright "erasure" as people often put it. As far as I know a huge portion of it is just a matter of access. Chinese and black communities are often right next to each other in dense urban zones like San Francisco and New York, and all the racist white people who might otherwise commit these sorts of attacks are out in their white-flight-villes.
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Gaupo Guacho posted:I don't have an agenda I'm attempting to push here [...] If you expect to be pilloried for this stuff, why post it? There’s an increase in violence against asians because dumb people associate covid with China and are now starting to hear organized drumbeats of anti-China sentiment and respond to that. Racist violence in the United States is rooted in white supremacy because the entire construction of race in the United States flows from the establishment of a white race as a means of dividing the people against themselves no matter what race the system of white supremacy categorizes them as. What are you trying to say? Where do you think racist violence against asians comes from? If you don’t want to get laughed at, you have to provide an alternative explanation.
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Gaupo Guacho posted:Has there been any attempts to address the fact that man of the perpetrators of recent anti-Asian violence have been ethnic minorities themselves? I do not see it mentioned anywhere, particularly in liberal and leftist spaces. I was even probated in an earlier version of this thread for even suggesting it. Many of the attacks against Asian-Americans committed in the last seven days were committed by demonstrably non-white assailants. I don't have an agenda I'm attempting to push here other than the fact that this feels like a form of outright "erasure" as people often put it. maybe, just maybe, the systemic racism that pervades every part of the super structure of america has some role in fomenting racial tensions between minority groups i know my family's history, and i know that white supremacy has done more to threaten our lives and livelihoods than whatever mealy mouthed whataboutism you're trying to push
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Gaupo Guacho posted:Has there been any attempts to address the fact that man of the perpetrators of recent anti-Asian violence have been ethnic minorities themselves? I do not see it mentioned anywhere, particularly in liberal and leftist spaces. I was even probated in an earlier version of this thread for even suggesting it. Many of the attacks against Asian-Americans committed in the last seven days were committed by demonstrably non-white assailants. I don't have an agenda I'm attempting to push here other than the fact that this feels like a form of outright "erasure" as people often put it. Looking forward to seeing what your rereg name is to evade your forum ban (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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How are u posted:The OP didn't describe the link, so for anybody curious it's an op-ed by an RT show host. You left out the rest of his bio, including his Pulitzer: quote:Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist who was a foreign correspondent for fifteen years for The New York Times, where he served as the Middle East Bureau Chief and Balkan Bureau Chief for the paper. He previously worked overseas for The Dallas Morning News, The Christian Science Monitor, and NPR. He is the host of the Emmy Award-nominated RT America show On Contact.
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Willa Rogers posted:You left out the rest of his bio, including his Pulitzer: I did indeed. I just included what I thought was the most pertinent info, to me.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s always drones i assume its either that or weird experimental air craft. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Arizona audit is only 9% done and they have to clear out by May 14th because the auditorium is booked for high school graduation ceremonies. i think alot of these clowns legit thought they would find some insane sideshow bob levels of voter fraud with loving pet cemetery names with biden and marx cackling over fake ballots. turns out none of that happened and the job is boring as math homework but way more complex.
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How are u posted:I did indeed. I just included what I thought was the most pertinent info, to me. Also his blog has a column from this year titled "Cancel Culture, Where Liberalism Goes to Die" I've never heard of him but I guess that probably sums it up.
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James Garfield posted:Also his blog has a column from this year titled "Cancel Culture, Where Liberalism Goes to Die" Ah so he's another Glenn Greenwald type
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The commitment to the death penalty among certain people is impressive in a weird way.
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Willa Rogers posted:I'm sorry to hear that and I hope you heal soon. I'm no longer rapidly losing weight and the night terrors have died down significantly. So yes there is good that came with it.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Labour is just in a really unique and bad situation where almost everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I don't even know what Tucker's angle is with the extreme anti-vaxx stuff. He is literally just making the country/world worse for no reason. He doesn't personally profit from this and nobody was clamoring for him to make up specific lies about thousands of people dying from the vaccine. A rich white man is telling people to not get vaccinated because COVID kills poor people of color more often than not. 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I don't even know what Tucker's angle is with the extreme anti-vaxx stuff. He is literally just making the country/world worse for no reason. He doesn't personally profit from this and nobody was clamoring for him to make up specific lies about thousands of people dying from the vaccine. Fox required everyone in their New York studio to get vaccinated. Maybe they exempted on-air talent, but Tucker himself is most likely vaccinated. They are for it, so we're against it.
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I'm gonna do my best to break down sections of this:Gaupo Guacho posted:Has there been any attempts to address the fact that man of the perpetrators of recent anti-Asian violence have been ethnic minorities themselves? I do not see it mentioned anywhere, particularly in liberal and leftist spaces. So, first off you are starting from a bad base: when you set things as 'leftist spaces', this is a huge signal that a lot of the information you are going to give is already biased. Why are these spaces that aren't reporting 'liberal'? Is it because they aren't reporting it, they are being called as such by other outlets, or because they espouse liberal viewpoints? When most people see 'leftist spaces', it undercuts your argument because this is the language used by people like Tucker to boost their own ratings. Don't trust them, they are 'leftist spaces', we're telling you the TRUTH (tm). Gaupo Guacho posted:I was even probated in an earlier version of this thread for even suggesting it. Many of the attacks against Asian-Americans committed in the last seven days were committed by demonstrably non-white assailants. I don't have an agenda I'm attempting to push here other than the fact that this feels like a form of outright "erasure" as people often put it. First off, if you are going to make a claim, please bring your sources. The closest I found to info supporting your point (anti-asian attacks from other minorities) was a Voice of America article that actually debunks the fact and points out that minority violence is still overall outstriped by white violence: https://www.voanews.com/usa/anti-asian-hate-crime-crosses-racial-and-ethnic-lines?amp Second, this doesn't take into account other things that other posters have mentioned, like the closeness of differing communities, social issues, or pervasive white supremacist frameworks built into society. Gaupo Guacho posted:I am particularly frustrated by online discourse which seems fixated on the idea that this is attributable to Trump, and, or white supremacy. White supremacist violence is quite deadly and is of a more institutionalized form but none of that addresses the fact that all of the discourse I've seen around the internet is totally inadequate when it comes to addressing anti-Asian violence. Once again: what discourse? What sources? As for attributing the rise in Anti-Asian hate to Trump, it's because he openly and vocally blamed the Asian community for COVID-19. He framed the disease as a foreign plot against the world, the 'China Virus' that was unleashed on everyone else. Even when Asian communities were reporting spikes in violence because of this negative view, he continued. When he did ask for 'peace', it was always couched with 'I love and support what you are doing', which is a mixed signal at best. Gaupo Guacho posted:This is all to say nothing of the fact that the idea that all racist violence is inherently rooted in white supremacy is ridiculous and can only be rooted in historical ignorance, yet I see this asserted again and again. I often see it suggested that racism and violence between distinct "non-white" ethnic groups in the U.S. can only be explained through the prism of white supremacy, as if non-whites are inherently incapable of racism against one another without it being inculcated by white supremacist ideology. I myself am of Asian-origin and I am beyond frustrated with the total disinterest in addressing this notion. Blanket assertions like this are always flimsy and easy to punch holes in. But what we have seen recently, given both the rise of white supremacist/neo-fascist groups and the rise in anti-minority crime in general (to include anti-asian crime) is that in our current society, there is a clear link between the two. This doesn't mean that black-on-asian violence doesn't exist, because it does happen. But it does mean that a growing trend in violence against Asians can follow a clear path from the words of the President and his supporters, and the deeds of the people that listen to them. Gaupo Guacho posted:Also I fully expect to be pilloried and probated for even raising this notion. Be well, stay safe. And we end off with a pointless parting shot and some snide bullshit. This doesn't make you or your point look better. J.A.B.C. fucked around with this message at 07:25 on May 6, 2021 |
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Gaupo Guacho posted:I'm posting it because when people are totally recalcitrant when it comes to clarifying the "nuances" of these particular killing and beating sprees by correctly identifying those responsible then there is literally no chance of even beginning to address the issue. Vulnerable people, such as the elderly are being deliberately targeted, and I want it discussed with honesty, instead of it being neatly categorized as yet another surge in white-supremacist violence. Do you have any evidence at all that the perpetrators of anti-Asian hate crime are significantly different than those of other hate crimes or similar non-hate crimes? If you did, what would the implications be, exactly? Gaupo Guacho posted:There are all kinds of theoretical explanations for the source of racist violence. For example, some seem to want to attribute stochacist street-level ethnic violence to American geopolitical saber rattling and anti-Chinese state department propaganda. I'm not discounting the notion that this is a contributing factor, but it's not comprehensive enough. Asian-Americans are a highly visible minority, some categories of whom are financially successful and relatively well integrated, and there are countless examples in human history of minority groups who fit such a profile being targeted for inter-ethnic violence. Well, at least this fact sheet suggests that hate crimes in general rose significantly (33%) from 2014-19, but not due to anti-Asian incidents (up 13%), whereas anti-Asian hate crimes did rise significantly from 2019 to 2020 in major cities. So specific things happening in 2020 could in fact have contributed to that. Gaupo Guacho posted:if people want to laugh at me for raising the idea that prison abolition and defunding all police departments may not be the solution to vulnerable people such as the elderly being nearly beaten to death, that's on them Are you talking specifically about anti-Asian violence still or just anti-elder violence? Because assaults against the elderly rose significantly from ~2005-2016, and homicides from ~2011-2016, a notably pre-Trumpian time frame. And what exactly do you think prison abolition and police defunding (two things that notably did not happen at any time in the last infinity years) have to do with any of this? The AARP themselves said, in response to the CDC report where the previous statistics came from: quote:The CDC outlines a series of risk factors for those who might commit an assault against older adults. They include drug or alcohol use, especially heavy drinking; high stress levels and low coping resources; lack of social support; financial or emotional dependence on the older adult; lack of training for adult care; and depression. “We want people to understand that it is a preventable public health issue,” Schoen said. “There are reporting agencies that acknowledge it is not OK to be physically, emotionally or sexually abused.” Those sure sound like symptoms of root causes like poverty and racism, to which the prison-industrial complex is a significant contributor!
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Furnaceface posted:I know you guys joke about using something as simple as breathing to test how far they would go, but Im now worried you would legit end up with 30% of your population suffocating themselves to spite the president. The same 30% would also do it if their Antipresident also told them to. Suffocating the whole family to own the libs.
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Gaupo Guacho posted:There are all kinds of theoretical explanations for the source of racist violence. For example, some seem to want to attribute stochacist street-level ethnic violence to American geopolitical saber rattling and anti-Chinese state department propaganda. I'm not discounting the notion that this is a contributing factor, but it's not comprehensive enough. Asian-Americans are a highly visible minority, some categories of whom are financially successful and relatively well integrated, and there are countless examples in human history of minority groups who fit such a profile being targeted for inter-ethnic violence. White people love to use the model minority myth to show how black and brown people just aren't trying hard enough to be successful to the point where even Asians have bought into it like massive suckers. Gee, I wonder why white supremacy is responsible for manufacturing or exacerbating racial tensions between various minority groups. quote:if people want to laugh at me for raising the idea that prison abolition and defunding all police departments may not be the solution to vulnerable people such as the elderly being nearly beaten to death, that's on them
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:This is definitely a trick to get your everlasting gobstopper. Don't trust him. I mean, on it's face it's a good philosophy. Don't outright trust Biden to do the right thing on his own. The good news is though, he's been surprisingly amenable to pressure and criticism from the left, so it's doing some good I guess.
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nine-gear crow posted:The same 30% would also do it if their Antipresident also told them to. Suffocating the whole family to own the libs. It's the important part about how the Right is driven by spite, not hatred. Hatred is reasonable - in the literal sense of the word 'reasonable.' You can reason with hatred. Hatred can be kept in check by rational considerations. A person may hate someone with all their being but still not make a move against them because they fear reprisal from either that person, that person's allies, or the authorities. Spite, in contrast, is all-consuming. Spite is the willingness to *destroy* yourself to merely *harm* your enemy. If the Right was driven by hatred they would not vote or behave as they do, because Republican policies hurt the average Republican greatly. But because they are driven by spite there is frannly no price too big to pay for the chance to lash out against their enemies.
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