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Dabir
Nov 10, 2012


who wants to give me odds on him going after the spectre of Hardieism by 2024

e: cat tax

Dabir fucked around with this message at 05:11 on May 7, 2021

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SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
Turns out running on a platform of nothing, telling people they're poo poo for wanting something and screaming at anyone who pointed out that Kieth's a bit poo poo they're double Hitlers was a bit of a shotgun blast to the foot.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

PNGYAKUZA posted:

Starmer's also a boring oval office and most of the ppl they're chasing will genuinely probably be dead within 8 years by the looks of it whereas Corbyn had the support of young voters. Genuinely trying to get young ppl engaged seems a better strategy to me but I'm also just some muppet on the internet.

It might not win the next election but it's the only thing that seems like there's any future in it. The people who have houses and pensions and poo poo are all gonna loving die before the unpaid debt of the world they wanted catches up to the rest of us.

PNGYAKUZA
Apr 21, 2021

I'm not a monster, it's just a mask.

OwlFancier posted:

It might not win the next election but it's the only thing that seems like there's any future in it. The people who have houses and pensions and poo poo are all gonna loving die before the unpaid debt of the world they wanted catches up to the rest of us.

yeah it's definetly not gonna be an instant winner but in 2 or 3 GEs the amount of Labour supporters would likely massively go up. Me and my mates weren't really interested in politics until Corbyn came around and massively appealed to us as young people.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Kevino07 posted:

If that's the case, I expect he'll be back in parliament sooner rather than later. Not remotely surprised either - he was basically the leader of the opposition in the Autumn.

It's amazing how much his stock has risen since moving away from the national party - almost as if the advisors in Westminister are completely out of touch...

Burnham is always good until he runs for leader at which point he tacks to the centre and gets outflanked on the left (see, Ed, Corbyn). Based on my interactions with him and people I know who know him I think he's probably a bit to the left of Ed but he's always seemed afraid to show it on the national stage.

Maybe his experience as mayor will give him a bit more confidence to be radical but based on past experience I'm not sure.

blues thief
Apr 1, 2013
https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1390530861129469953

Lesson learned, we will be turning the racism dial further.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

blues thief posted:

https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1390530861129469953

Lesson learned, we will be turning the racism dial further.

Lmao, they're just going to keep doubling down until they have absolutely nobody voting for them, aren't they.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
"People say we're poo poo. And we agree with them."

Such a masterful piece of political positioning to run a campaign on.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"
Kieth's whole campaign message was "we're poo poo and untrustworthy and also the Tories have been doing a brilliant job vaccinating people"

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Pistol_Pete posted:

Lmao, they're just going to keep doubling down until they have absolutely nobody voting for them, aren't they.

The year is 2037 and the results of the election are coming in. Last election Labour got one vote from a red-faced man. The results are out and it's... zero votes.

"The result is disappointing but we knew this would be a difficult struggle and we've heard the message from the voters loud and clear"

SpaceCommie
Oct 2, 2008

I'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by Capitalism ...

SPACE!



I thought I wouldn't care, but it's been pretty devastating to see the Tories swoop to victory after killing over 100,000 people.

Can't wait to be told it's all my fault for voting for Corbyn because I wanted things to be marginally better.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

surf rock posted:

How on earth does Labour keep losing even harder than the last time? Haven't they had leaders across the ideological spectrum at this point; wasn't this guy the anti-Corbyn? Are they just insanely incompetent at campaigning?

What do you mean, why are you surprised? Labour got rid of a good leader with good policies and went instea for a turd of a man with poo poo policies. Here is the result of what happens when you alienate everyone on the left.

PNGYAKUZA
Apr 21, 2021

I'm not a monster, it's just a mask.




SpaceCommie posted:

I thought I wouldn't care, but it's been pretty devastating to see the Tories swoop to victory after killing over 100,000 people.

Can't wait to be told it's all my fault for voting for Corbyn because I wanted things to be marginally better.

yeah it's deffo poo poo cause they're just gonna get even loving worse

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
Yeah it's a bloodbath

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

blues thief posted:

https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1390530861129469953

Lesson learned, we will be turning the racism dial further.

Lmao

All the seats being voted on were last contested while Corbyn was leader, of this is all because of him how is it worse a year after he’s left than when we was actually leader

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord

blues thief posted:

https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1390530861129469953

Lesson learned, we will be turning the racism dial further.
Such an incredibly bad take on every level. This is the worst Labour has ever done in Hartlepool by some margin, clearly they have already changed too much.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Fartlepool, Big Wet

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Imagine being Starmer waking up about now and thinking about the day's round of media interviews lol

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
As she was so popular yesterday, here's more of Aubrie, maybe she can lift some spirits.

https://i.imgur.com/Fj2aHR6.mp4

To be fair she managed to get the Labour one too

SpaceCommie
Oct 2, 2008

I'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by Capitalism ...

SPACE!



Pistol_Pete posted:

Imagine being Starmer waking up about now and thinking about the day's round of media interviews lol

I imagine Corbyn is waking up knowing the worst media dickheads are going to be at his door bothering his neighbours just to shout about how he's responsible.

Somehow he will be an absolute sweetheart and say Labour candidates have worked very hard and he's sorry for those who lost their seats and at no point blame Smithers.

Mega Comrade posted:

As she was so popular yesterday, here's more of Aubrie, maybe she can lift some spirits.

https://i.imgur.com/Fj2aHR6.mp4

What a good dog!

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Absolutely destroyed in Hartlepool. Tories got DOUBLE the Labour vote

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



It's very bad that there is no credible opposition, but it's very good that this particular useless opposition is completely eating poo poo after they hosed the left over, repeatedly, and demanded our votes, money, and graft in return.

We knew Labour was almost certainly dying, the worse they do the better because the sooner it's finally dead the sooner we can try something new.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
NIP got like 250 votes lol, Lab can't even use the excuse that they split it.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1390548710153654272

keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 07:14 on May 7, 2021

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
8,500 votes for Labour, loving hell lol

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

keep punching joe posted:

NIP got like 250 votes lol, Lab can't even use the excuse that they split it.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1390548710153654272

Holy poo poo Labour got absolutely bodied

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


keep punching joe posted:

NIP got like 250 votes lol, Lab can't even use the excuse that they split it.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1390548710153654272

Brutal.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
They stood a notorious remain bod in a huge leave area.

Actively sabotaging their own chances.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


keep punching joe posted:

NIP got like 250 votes lol, Lab can't even use the excuse that they split it.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1390548710153654272

Truly the solution is to offer even less than nothing

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
The labour vote nearly halved.

blues thief
Apr 1, 2013
That's just under 7000 less votes than Labour got in 2019. Won't stop Labour from saying this is Corbyn's fault and that this is actually a sign of Keir making progress, but there's the numbers if you care enough to bother refuting any of them.

https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1390549748797644803

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Noxville posted:

Holy poo poo Labour got absolutely bodied

They did but its less about Labour messaging and more to do with the huge amount of money the Tories have dumped on the area recently. Brexit delivered and here are the new jobs etc.

Gwaint
Oct 22, 2010

"Music is the truth. Just listen..."
Get hosed Keith

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

serious gaylord posted:

They stood a notorious remain bod in a huge leave area.

Actively sabotaging their own chances.

I thought they'd hosed it when I saw that.

When I saw the guy being interviewed by Owen Jones and saw how fumbling and nervous he was, I knew they'd definitely hosed it.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



so as a dumb american, i gotta ask:

1. how the gently caress does starmer not resign after this? like, i know the real answer is that he's a stooge for capital, but gently caress man these results seem far worse than anyone was even predicting.

2. is there even anyone in labour who could take over that doesn't suck poo poo through a straw? did they all get purged? would starmer resigning even change a single thing?

i mean, props for making the united states seem like less of a shitshow, but loving christ this is dire.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

There's a solid core of 20-something socialist group MP's in the Labour party, enough to get a candidate on any leadership election but most of the leftwing membership base have left the party at this point. The red Tories (probably, but who knows they really are thick as pigshit) won't be stupid enough to allow entryism to bring up another Corbyn-esque candidate.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
Its also important to remember that local elections can have a far bigger impact from on the ground campaigning by volunteers. Turnout is often so low that an area getting blitzed by supporters can have a measurable bump.

So Labour telling all the official people campaigning that they're going to get sacked after the elections are over and suspending hordes of volunteers is one of the biggest reasons for this loss imo.

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
In all this it's funny to see the Lib Dems savagely dropped to 7th place by an independent, the greens, Reform UK and *squints* the Heritage Party.

Paperhouse
Dec 31, 2008

I think
your hair
looks much
better
pushed
over to
one side

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

so as a dumb american, i gotta ask:

1. how the gently caress does starmer not resign after this?

because this is actually Jeremy Corbyn's fault of course

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Lmao and to think I doubted that Survation poll showing Tories on 50% and Labour on 30something. I thought it would be a Tory win but a close one

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Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

2. is there even anyone in labour who could take over that doesn't suck poo poo through a straw? did they all get purged? would starmer resigning even change a single thing?

Yeah there are still some decent people in Labour - Zarah Sultana and Claudia Webbe to name a couple - but I doubt the centrists will ever allow a leftist in again after Corbyn and even if they got in it's hard to see how they rebuild the party at this point anyway, you'd need excellent policies with Obama-tier charisma AND the ability to prevent internal sabotage.

Tbh Labour's dead

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