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Shockeh posted:My favourites list now, I have realised, is basically 'Heroes who gently caress with / troll the enemy team all game'. You forgot Murky.
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SirSamVimes posted:You forgot Murky. Murky is the real, actual troll hero. If you go off and gank him, you're gonna miss the objective teamfight. If you go to the objective teamfight, he gets free reign to push your lane and you WILL lose that building. With other offlane push oriented heroes (the old "specialists" hero class) like Zagara, Azmodan, Nazeebo, etc. you can gank them before a fight and they are dead for a long time. They neither get to push or participate in the objective. It can be worth taking them down when you think an objective is about to come up. With Murky, you can't kill him and go do the objective. He will be back in lane 8 seconds and spare change later. You either let him push during the map objective, or you spend the entire objective fight/timer killing him or having him escape in the bubble and WHERE THE gently caress IS MURKY NEST, meanwhile you're missing from the teamfight. To kill a hero worth 1/4 XP. And his death timer is negligible.
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May 6, 2021 05:39
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why are there "original characters" in hots they are stupid
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May 6, 2021 06:34
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Hell yeah Murky rules
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May 6, 2021 08:57
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WITCHCRAFT posted:Murky is the real, actual troll hero. If you go off and gank him, you're gonna miss the objective teamfight. If you go to the objective teamfight, he gets free reign to push your lane and you WILL lose that building. Stop stop you're tempting me to reinstall
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May 6, 2021 09:04
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Agoat posted:why are there "original characters" in hots Do you mean the "unit-inspired" original characters or the "came out of nowhere and have not appeared in previous Blizzard games" original characters? The former is a consequence of having multiple RTS games without easily mappable or memorable characters to use. The latter could have any number of reasons, but is most likely the result of passionate developers being stuck in what's known to be one of the worst workplaces in the industry and choosing to shoot their shot with an Original Character so they at least have some decent portfolio material for when they inevitably bail/Blizzard finally collapses. Regardless of the reason, said characters from the latter category are incredibly and almost impossibly stupid - both Orphea and Qhira have hugely overloaded kits and lack any kind of distinct personality.
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May 6, 2021 09:42
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They made qhira because they saw black panther and said let's also have that
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May 6, 2021 15:34
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Both Qhira and Orphea are fun to play, and Qhira looks great, so honestly the more pertinent issue is "who cares".
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May 6, 2021 15:57
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It's not like the "" good "" characters are all cool and interesting. A character isn't good just because you've seen it somewhere else. I think the guy playing unstoppable laners should try both Yrel (using splash basic attacks) and Hogger (with two ridiculous escape abilities).
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May 6, 2021 16:22
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Played Murky in an ARAM where there were no healers offered. Ended up with the least amount of “deaths” on both sides at 5.5, next hero was 7, top was Samuro with 19 deaths because he didn’t take the Bladestorm for all of his clones so I was able to Octograb the right one and he’d be bursted down, over and over again. Murky is the best.
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May 6, 2021 16:28
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Captain Oblivious posted:Both Qhira and Orphea are fun to play, and Qhira looks great, so honestly the more pertinent issue is "who cares". according to HOTS's player count, a lot of people for that matter, "fun to play" doesn't necessarily mean "good for the game". both of them have insanely overloaded "do everything" kits that feature healthy doses of mobility, sustain, burst, physical damage, ability damage, crowd control, and waveclear - and most characters of the same type have half of those perks (or even less) also qhira is literally a token black character with a flat no-detail backstory that was designed to ride the hype of black panther (all of which the developers openly admitted to), and that sucks a whole loving lot!!!
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May 7, 2021 09:50
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Kith posted:according to HOTS's player count, a lot of people Your first statement seems to indicate you think Orphea and/or Qhira have something to do with HotS’ declining playerbase which I mean, yeah sure. That’s definitely it. There are no other precipitating factors at work, you solved the case. As for the mechanics complaints, neither of them have a noteworthy win rate.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Your first statement seems to indicate you think Orphea and/or Qhira have something to do with HotS’ declining playerbase which I mean, yeah sure. That’s definitely it. There are no other precipitating factors at work, you solved the case. lol you don't need to get all defensive because i criticized your waifus, stop being a tool anyway yes there's actually a significant amount of people who bailed on HOTS because of qhira's inclusion. some were mad about the blatant token minority pandering, some couldn't handle a second original character being added to their game about established characters, and some were merely racist. it didn't help that qhira's launch was an absolute disaster for a lot of reasons, not least of which being backlash over the developers stating that orphea was going to be the only original character added to HOTS and she was the exception because she had story relevance. obviously the inclusion of orphea and qhira is not the whole reason that HOTS has been in such a sharp decline for so long, but the implementation of two shallow nobodies with zero history in a game that's supposed to be about celebrating beloved characters definitely had an impact on player retention and/or player motivation. also, while citing winrates is cute, it's completely unrelated to my point: winrate is determined by balance, not design. a character could have a perfect winrate while possessing an utterly dogshit design - nova or butcher, for example. design drives the gameplay experience and what "feels fair", and that's not something you can really get from a statistic. you can definitely get it from player feedback, though - and there's been a lot of that on this particular subject.
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May 7, 2021 11:21
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look at this poster throwing around tool like they aint one too. define significant, where are you getting your numbers from? do you even have any?
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May 7, 2021 16:06
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excuse you, i'm well aware of my tool status. as a matter of fact, i've been thinking of upgrading to implement. i have no hard numbers because the people i'd bother for hard numbers no longer work at blizzard. the best i have for you are secondary metrics, such as the totally disastrous score on qhira's trailer, the sharp increase in posts complaining about qhira on the HOTS reddit with her release date and the harsh downturn of comments per day afterwards, and the general listlessness of the official forums (which i have no statistics for, but once upon a time i was very active there and it's practically a graveyard compared to what it used to be). HOTS was obviously in decline before this point, but if you look at everything else, it's pretty obvious that qhira was the last straw for a good chunk of people. how many specifically? i'unno, despite my best efforts i never actually worked at blizzard. but then again, blizzard is having problems in general: https://twitter.com/MassivelyOP/status/1389679989113622535?s=20
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May 7, 2021 19:34
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Kith posted:and ftfy
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Kith posted:Do you mean the "unit-inspired" original characters or the "came out of nowhere and have not appeared in previous Blizzard games" original characters? Unit characters are fine, I mean I play Raynor and he's literally just "Special Marine" from StarCraft in his gameplay. Props to the devs for beefing up their portfolio but I hate Orphea a lot
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May 7, 2021 20:04
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I wonder how much of an increase/dip the 'all heroes for everyone' thing last year caused.
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May 7, 2021 20:57
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I like Orphea. She's fun to play with the Raven Lord as your announcer  Tirranek posted:I wonder how much of an increase/dip the 'all heroes for everyone' thing last year caused. I'm glad they did this. Grinding for heroes is the pits. I wish they'd just open up all heroes and keep cosmetics, even low effort ones, coming.
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May 7, 2021 21:03
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cmdrk posted:I'm glad they did this. Grinding for heroes is the pits. I wish they'd just open up all heroes and keep cosmetics, even low effort ones, coming. Absolutely. Could even be healthy for the game if they did that...maybe.
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May 7, 2021 21:13
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it would certainly be healthy for the game and players have been begging for it for years, up to and including using other games that have done the same as real-world examples that are vastly more successful than HOTS it's also extremely unlikely to happen because *fart noises*
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May 7, 2021 21:18
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This game is cool cause Diablo, the literal devil, will roll up with more health than I can count and my spaceman just shreds him
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May 7, 2021 21:25
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Agoat posted:This game is cool cause Diablo, the literal devil, will roll up with more health than I can count and my tiny fish boy just shreds him
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May 7, 2021 21:43
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feel like aba's ultimate evolution level 20 talent doesn't get nearly enough appreciation. i suspect a lot of people look at it and either don't notice the "refreshes every 5 seconds" part or see it's based on % max hp and think "this is only good on high health heroes" turns out if you give a squishy high damage hero 35% more hp it helps them a lot, almost like those heroes are balanced around being easy to kill and you have removed that balancing factor from them. i've been taking it over doublehat if i notice my team is having survivability issues or if we tend to fall apart on the engage after i clone (so, most of the time now lol). works wonders if the clone target is half decent at the game, basically no matter what hero they are. also great for saving people from being picked when the normal hat just isn't quite cutting it. ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 06:27 on May 10, 2021 |
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https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/na0uqe/loan_talents/quote:Good morning Heroes! 
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May 12, 2021 00:40
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This seems like a horrible idea to try and balance, right? Good players will break this wide open while bad players will be complaining for buffs.
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I don't think it's dangerous or anything. You have versions of this already with the Diablo soulstone and it isn't that big a deal (and soulstone's effect is more dramatic than these will be). It's just an odd thing to come in all excited about at this point in the game's lifecycle. My guess is most of these will be defensive in nature because offensive ones have more potential to hit weird breakpoints. Like you're not going to see one that increases Li Ming's damage by 20%.
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May 12, 2021 01:35
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No Wave posted:I don't think it's dangerous or anything. You have versions of this already with the Diablo soulstone and it isn't that big a deal (and soulstone's effect is more dramatic than these will be). It's just an odd thing to come in all excited about at this point in the game's lifecycle. Uhhh... It's the opposite of Diablo's soulstone, a thing that builds in power over time, and also can be renewed if lost.
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May 12, 2021 01:37
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Wouldn't this encourage hyper safe playing? I can just see people bailing early on fights to keep their bonus. Which is extra lovely if it's a tank. Like a Kael in perpetual convection preservation mode. I don't know why they're still loving around with anomalies, if that's even what this is anymore.
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May 12, 2021 03:13
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InformationHigh posted:Wouldn't this encourage hyper safe playing? I can just see people bailing early on fights to keep their bonus. oh yeah, either that or people are gonna grab those talent picks thinking, "man, i'm great at this guy! this can't possibly go wrong!" and then proceed to hit 10 deaths before level 12.
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May 12, 2021 03:30
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Because no one is paying attention to the game, so gently caress it, do whatever you want. I also wouldn't be surprised if they're being used as a test lab for stuff the designers of Diablo 4 and Overwatch 2 are considering.
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May 12, 2021 03:32
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1stGear posted:Because no one is paying attention to the game, so gently caress it, do whatever you want. I'm okay with them shaking things up a bit more. I feel like quickmatch has become perpetual Murky vs Abathur war.
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May 12, 2021 03:55
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cmdrk posted:I'm okay with them shaking things up a bit more. I feel like quickmatch has become perpetual Murky vs Abathur war. same, but also this change seems pretty bad
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InformationHigh posted:Wouldn't this encourage hyper safe playing? I can just see people bailing early on fights to keep their bonus. Which is extra lovely if it's a tank. Like a Kael in perpetual convection preservation mode. this was my first thought, but then I remembered the "free action token arena trinket" thing that was what? 300? 360 seconds? cooldown? think of how many times a player used it ZERO times during a match this will be a weird buff to certain heroes in certain matches, it might be relevant to a tournament match somewhere sometime, but most players will ignore it until the enemy team uses it to win and then they will be VERY MAD YOU hosed UP! YOU LET THE ENEMY TEAM DO SOMETHING COOL (THAT I COULD ALSO HAVE DONE BUT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT SO ITS NOT FAIR) REMOVE THIS BUFF TO [hero I played against] IT'S STUPID THAT ANYONE COULD HAVE THAT MUCH POWER IN THE MAKEUP OF THE MATCH
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May 12, 2021 08:05
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drat bruv, long notes https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes-of-the-storm/23666983/heroes-of-the-storm-ptr-patch-notes-may-12-2021
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quote:Heroes Rework: Anduin what the gently caress is happening
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anduin rework good johanna rework totally rules. it sucks because they hosed with eternal retaliation but uhhhhhhhh johanna goes in all team comps now i guess raynor rework is... interesting. depending on implementation, q build might be viable now. oh god stitches is going to be vicious now, what the gently caress valla has a genuine multishot build now, with quests and everything. gorgeous edit: "Azmodan's PvE-centric talents are proving a little stronger than we'd like for how easy they are to execute on" what do i even say to this "greatly reducing the cast range of Demonic Invasion" IT'S ALREADY WORTHLESS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING Kith fucked around with this message at 20:01 on May 12, 2021 |
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quote:(New) Execute Orders [Passive] A lot of the changes are interesting but this particular talent at 20 sounds weird. Hyperion is one of the more "just walk away from it" ults in the game but I guess it would add some chaos to a team fight if an enemy got in the back line and picked off Raynor first. Was thinking you could suicide into towers over and over and siege them down like a bad Leoric but I guess it wouldn't trigger if there's no hero nearby. Fishing hook becoming (sort of) baseline for Stitches is great, I always picked it anyway. Besides the hook Stitches always felt kind of boring to play and ultimately not very good, the vile gas stuff should make him a lot more interesting. Valla's hungering arrow build was always my favorite and it looks like the damage quest stacks infinitely now. Monster Hunter moved to level 7 and having the mana cost reduction removed makes it a lot less appealing I think even if you're using a hungering arrow build. Frost shot was already my go-to at 16 and having it at level 7 with added bonus to hungering arrow damage seems like a no-brainer. Farflight quiver was already amazing at 20 and seems even better now. Interesting reworks all around, Valla looks like she'll be an absolute monster after the changes.
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No Wave posted:Why would you rework Valla, she's always so popular... because her multishot build is clunky and lovely nu-valla will more than likely have three distinct builds in the form of DPS, hungering arrow, and multishot
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