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The Perfect Element posted:This is a fake account. The Guardian liveblog are posting it as Cummings, so either it's real or the guardian are even worse at journalism than I thought
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May 7, 2021 10:21
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The Perfect Element posted:This is a fake account. I don't think it is.
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May 7, 2021 10:26
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So he's a Blairite with even the slightest sense of fair play. He still backed the invasion of Iraq, opposed the investigation of it, and slavishly followed the line of that people who bought us this shitshow. Just because he's managed to wash a tiny amount of the blood off his hands doesn't mean he won't do exactly what Starmer did if he ever gets into power. This is probably right, but the right wing Labour staffers in the leaked report hated him, so he cant be all bad. He does seems much better at politics than most of the Labour right. His decision to go for Greater Manchester mayor allowed him to mostly stay on the sidlelines for the anti/pro corbyn stuff, while still giving him a big national profile. If the next general election is in May 2024, that will be same time as the mayoral term ends, he can run as MP in a safe seat. Assuming Kier is stil leader and Labour do very badly, there will be a leadership election a few months later and Burnham will be in a very nice position to win.
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https://twitter.com/nicolelampert/status/1390592194873004033 A Daily Mail journalist gives her advice.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/nicolelampert/status/1390592194873004033 Point 2 isn’t terrible, to be fair.
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May 7, 2021 10:33
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Paperhouse posted:David Miliband was the "sexy" one and therefore eminently more electable Counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsAeT7nh5vE
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therattle posted:Point 2 isn’t terrible, to be fair. It's literally a right wing person blaming a right wing Labour loss on the left wing.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/nicolelampert/status/1390592194873004033 The next tweet is the real banger, where the suggestion is to put Jess Phillips and Lisa Nandy on TV more often and calls Owen Jones ‘far left’
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"Labour needs to be more TERF and put Jess Phillips in positions of power."therattle posted:Point 2 isn’t terrible, to be fair.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/nicolelampert/status/1390592194873004033 I read the whole awful thread and not a single one of her suggestions for what the Labour party need is a policy
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May 7, 2021 10:40
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Still Dismal posted:Imo it’s far more likely that Labour are eating poo poo for pretty much the same reason they ate poo poo in 2019: center left and SocDem parties are getting squeezed all over Europe. I don’t think Corbyn made a huge difference in 2019 and I don’t think Starmer made a huge difference this time honestly. Elsewhere in Europe theyre getting squeezed between the Right and parties of the socialist left, though. We don't have the latter here, or rather we do, it's a part of the Labour Party and Starmer, having campaigned for the leadership as a 'unity candidate' with leftwing policies, has spent the last year making GBS threads all over it.
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peanut- posted:I read the whole awful thread and not a single one of her suggestions for what the Labour party need is a policy
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therattle posted:Point 2 isn’t terrible, to be fair. The Labour right love to talk about suporting people who want to "get on". It's never very effective, maybe because without any concerete policies it comes across as a patronising, meaningless platitude.
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May 7, 2021 10:48
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Gonzo McFee posted:It's literally a right wing person blaming a right wing Labour loss on the left wing. Her first point labelled 2 isn’t doing that and isn’t terrible. Guavanaut posted:"Labour needs to be more TERF and put Jess Phillips in positions of power." In that context sure, but as an approach I don’t think it’s bad advice. She does say “business etc as much as food banks” so that isn’t being ignored. Anyway, it’s not really worth arguing over. I have no doubt that her politics in general suck but sometimes even utter shits can make good observations. ANYTHING YOU SOW posted:The Labour right love to talk about suporting people who want to "get on". It's never very effective, maybe because without any concerete policies it comes across as a patronising, meaningless platitude. Policies? Who needs those? therattle fucked around with this message at 10:51 on May 7, 2021 |
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Nobody is talking about the poor as if they're thick. Unless she believes that people who use food banks are by defenition thick. Which she does because she's a racist daily mail oval office.
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ANYTHING YOU SOW posted:The Labour right love to talk about suporting people who want to "get on". It's never very effective, maybe because without any concerete policies it comes across as a patronising, meaningless platitude. As long as people come from other people (I'm no obstetrician, but I believe that's how it works) and get raised and supported by other people, the two are one and the same thing, and to pretend otherwise is a symptom of our modern hyperindividualism.
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Guavanaut posted:It's like the "we support equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome" poo poo in the US. Equality of opportunity is just a really alluring idea to people generally, it 'sounds' very fair on the face of it and it implies that any success they get is because they earnt it, which people like feeling.
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Lmao https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/1390601462212923396?s=21
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May 7, 2021 10:57
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Nothing said by anyone writing for the daily mail should be paid a second of attention. Even if they happen to stumble upon a good point, its only by accident in their life of being an evil bastard; they're certainly not giving sincere advice with the intention of helping Labour win an election.
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May 7, 2021 10:58
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Gonzo McFee posted:Nobody is talking about the poor as if they're thick. Unless she believes that people who use food banks are by defenition thick. Which she does because she's a racist daily mail oval office. The Starmerite branch of the media-political ecosystem are absolutely talking about poor people as if they're thick, and I'm not even talking about the squalling over the current terrible local election results.
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May 7, 2021 10:59
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I think the people who vote tory are thick but I also don't think they're poor, if anything I think they have far too secure lives if the only thing they care about is brexit and flags.
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May 7, 2021 11:08
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Meanwhile in other news: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fire-east-london-tower-block-poplar-b1843684.html quote:Poplar fire: Blaze breaks out at 19-storey tower block ‘covered in Grenfell-type cladding’
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Aramoro posted:Equality of opportunity is just a really alluring idea to people generally, it 'sounds' very fair on the face of it and it implies that any success they get is because they earnt it, which people like feeling. Or quoting Desmond Tutu quote:None of us comes into the world fully formed. We would not know how to think, or walk, or speak, or behave as human beings unless we learned it from other human beings. We need other human beings in order to be human. I am because other people are. Everyone's outcome is someone else's opportunity and vice versa, the difference becomes nothing as soon as you look at more than a handful of people. I get that people enjoy striving and achieving but the "equality of opportunity" people in the US tend towards the social darwinist take-the-brakes-off type of liberalism that has trouble with anything beyond their rational individual in a vacuum that they made up. Gonzo McFee posted:Nobody is talking about the poor as if they're thick. Boris Johnson posted:If he is blue collar, he is likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless, and perhaps claiming to suffer from low self-esteem brought on by unemployment. 
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Noxville posted:Labour should not double down. They should triple, or even quadruple down that... that doesn't make sense in his own context? Did he forget a rebuttal?
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May 7, 2021 11:13
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Guavanaut posted:It sounds fair, but it falls apart given a moments thought. Like with the recent report in The Lancet that Black women in the UK experience worse pregnancies wrt loss and support than other ethnic groups, with implications for the health of the newborn. Unless you're aiming for equality of outcome for the parents there, there's no possible equality of opportunity for the child. Not sure why you think people would think about it? People don't think about things that don't affect them generally. People hear the idea think 'that sounds right' and never think about it again.
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May 7, 2021 11:15
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Talk of being "aspirational" and "getting on" is meaningless without something concrete behind it. In this day and age the type of people who are going to be encouraged by that kind of rhetoric are also the kind of people who are relying heavily on investments, housing wealth and pensions, and are therefore always going to align closer to the Tories who have made clear their intention to always prop those things up. In any case when talking about places like Hartlepool the polling is clear that people want radical economic change and fairer distribution of wealth: talking about aspiration in the same way Blair did only works when the economy is booming, not when people are crushed in the middle of a pandemic.
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OwlFancier posted:I think the people who vote tory are thick but I also don't think they're poor, if anything I think they have far too secure lives if the only thing they care about is brexit and flags. You watch the Owen Jones doc? The Tories around Hartlepool have been making a convincing, well-evidenced case that they will benefit the material interests of low-income voters by rebuilding public services and investing vast amounts of money in the area, while local Labour has been getting sniffy about 'bribery'.
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May 7, 2021 11:21
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the year is 2167. labour is still trying to tell you how much they hate jeremy corbyn. nobody remembers who jeremy corbyn is.
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May 7, 2021 11:22
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I mean I do sometimes think about the fact that the furlough scheme, minimum wage increases etc, have helped me more than anything blair ever did. But I still think most of the tory voters are just flagshagging freaks.
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Darth Walrus posted:You watch the Owen Jones doc? The Tories around Hartlepool have been making a convincing, well-evidenced case that they will benefit the material interests of low-income voters by rebuilding public services and investing vast amounts of money in the area, while local Labour has been getting sniffy about 'bribery'. This is the same tactic as they used in Scotland for years, SNP would do something popular/progressive, Lab would complain that it was a bribe to fiendishly steal their votes. 
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keep punching joe posted:This is the same tactic as they used in Scotland for years, SNP would do something popular/progressive, Lab would complain that it was a bribe to fiendishly steal their votes. in the republicans make this precise complaint about any time democrats do anything even remotely non-evil and of course the democrats are always like "oh no we are so sorry we wont do it again" eg trump putting his signature on the first bailout checks but biden making sure no polticians name is on the second bird brains
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Like I said earlier, Starmer's Labour have this bizarre attitude that actually doing stuff that helps people is cheating: "The Tory candidate irresponsibly went round offering to make people's lives better, whereas we very sensibly promised them nothing at all. How were we supposed to win against such underhand tactics??"
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to the well-off centrist, politics is a philosophical and moral battle, not something that actually exists in reality. its debate club. offering to make people's lives better isn't the end goal of political systems, its like if before a debate you went and gave everyone in the audience a fifty.
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lol eat poo poo terf charity https://twitter.com/JacquieSwears/status/1390334927149875201?s=20
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May 7, 2021 11:42
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sinky posted:lol eat poo poo terf charity Nice to see transphobe idiots wasting their money. Although I guess the money eventually ends up paying solicitors who were willing to take this kinda work so eh
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