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Grey Hunter posted:It's been shown time and time again that people don't really change who they vote for that much, what changes is the drive to vote - here we're seeing polling numbers in line with 2019, but traditional Labour voters just can't be arsed to go vote. that's often true of the major parties but not true of something like the brexit party, which had 10k votes in 2019 but literally doesn't exist anymore people can be flipped if you try, just constantly going back to the same ever-decreasing pool of people isn't a way forward the problem here is that they've decided the way to win new voters is to eject old voters and welp
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May 7, 2021 13:41
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I wonder if the media and significant parts of the Labour Party spending two years saying over and over again that the Labour Party is anti-Semitic could have had an effect on the public's opinion of the party.
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May 7, 2021 13:43
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Be fair, they have also spend the last year and a half saying that labour is poo poo and you shouldn't vote for them.
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May 7, 2021 13:44
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Ben and Jerry's sold to Unilever in 2000, so once again it's the Brits At It. But they also try to have it both ways and say they are an autonomous company when it suits the PR needs Choc Cookie Dough is tasty tho
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OwlFancier posted:I might be thinking of them, I thought it was an ice cream company. There's a Unilever ice cream factory in Acre. Acre was captured by Israel in 1948. So your at least half right, i don't know if it is Ben and Jerry's branded.
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May 7, 2021 13:51
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Azza Bamboo posted:Is it possible for 'youth = left wing' to change? 
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Rustybear posted:that's often true of the major parties but not true of something like the brexit party, which had 10k votes in 2019 but literally doesn't exist anymore All true. Shame it's not easy to start a new party - you'd need a good chunk of defectors to get something going - plus money and luck. How hard would it be to takeover the Lib Dems I wonder. the average Lib Dem voter is much lefter than their MP's.
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https://twitter.com/LondonFire/status/1390593667660984320 Guess what kind of cladding it has and what steps the freeholder has made to rectify it? (Thankfully as it started during the day there's no reports of deaths or serious injuries so far but that's very much luck not judgement)
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OwlFancier posted:Be fair, they have also spend the last year and a half saying that labour is poo poo and you shouldn't vote for them. (Yes Kieth as a mewling sub is my new bit)
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Why did nobody tell us his name was Tiger Patel? Other than a worry that the sheer power of that name *and* that video would lead to every person in the UK trying to move to his ward.
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When I was a teenager I had drank deep of the internet's libertarian cup and had regular arguments with my mum about politics as a result. My mum was insistent that when I "grew up and got a proper job", and saw 99% of the money I made going into the pockets of capitalists, I'd rethink my foolish teenage political views. So, 2-0 for mums being smarter than their teenagers, I'd call that.
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May 7, 2021 14:04
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Guess what kind of cladding it has and what steps the freeholder has made to rectify it? That might explain why I saw a 2 bed going for £200,000 in that building a few months back. Bobby Deluxe posted:(Yes Kieth as a mewling sub is my new bit) This is unfair on mewling subs.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/LondonFire/status/1390593667660984320 What is it with tower fires breaking out after elections? This one didn't even wait for the results to finalise.
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I'm a US-person, so forgive me for my ignorance, but I'm rather fascinated by the fact that you have like six parties in your election. I was under the impression that the UK has a first-past-the-post system, so shouldn't that have mathematically caused the system to trend towards having only two? How is it that the smaller parties can still exist and get votes?
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DrSunshine posted:I'm a US-person, so forgive me for my ignorance, but I'm rather fascinated by the fact that you have like six parties in your election. I was under the impression that the UK has a first-past-the-post system, so shouldn't that have mathematically caused the system to trend towards having only two? How is it that the smaller parties can still exist and get votes? Some exist to put pressure on the two main parties by threatening to steal their votes in key marginals, and others are more of a national coordinating body for local elections (which are up for grabs by just about anyone due to their extremely low barriers to entry).
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The UK has two functional parties on a national level, labour and the conservatives, the greens/lib dems fight for a few percent of the vote apiece and have single digit numbers of MPs, greens typically only holding 1 MP in bristol (brighton? I can never remember which of those is which). The lib dems used to do better but they formed a coalition government the minute they got a major national presence and everyone abandoned them afterwards because they were dogshit. And part of the reason they exist at all is because of a splinter branch of the labour party some 40 years ago. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:41 on May 7, 2021 |
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DrSunshine posted:I'm a US-person, so forgive me for my ignorance, but I'm rather fascinated by the fact that you have like six parties in your election. I was under the impression that the UK has a first-past-the-post system, so shouldn't that have mathematically caused the system to trend towards having only two? How is it that the smaller parties can still exist and get votes? As well as the other answers - tradition and relatively strict campaign finance laws mean that it's very, very cheap to stand as a candidate. Something like the SNP or Brexit Party can get up and running at a level big enough to influence the national discourse for less than the cost of a single Congress seat campaign.
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crispix posted:labour is now the UK's most conservative party I was going to say, it seems like the Tories made a bare minimum reach of a few small things to working class voters, and Labour did uhhh *checks notes* nothing and called it bribery? Is Kieth taking notes from the GOP?
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May 7, 2021 14:52
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DrSunshine posted:I'm a US-person, so forgive me for my ignorance, but I'm rather fascinated by the fact that you have like six parties in your election. I was under the impression that the UK has a first-past-the-post system, so shouldn't that have mathematically caused the system to trend towards having only two? How is it that the smaller parties can still exist and get votes? We have like 30 parties, and haven't had a simple majority government since before World War 2 - everything is a coalition government round these parts. 
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Darth Walrus posted:Some exist to put pressure on the two main parties by threatening to steal their votes in key marginals, and others are more of a national coordinating body for local elections (which are up for grabs by just about anyone due to their extremely low barriers to entry). OwlFancier posted:The UK has two functional parties on a national level, labour and the conservatives, the greens/lib dems fight for a few percent of the vote apiece and have single digit numbers of MPs, greens typically only holding 1 MP in bristol (brighton? I can never remember which of those is which). goddamnedtwisto posted:As well as the other answers - tradition and relatively strict campaign finance laws mean that it's very, very cheap to stand as a candidate. Something like the SNP or Brexit Party can get up and running at a level big enough to influence the national discourse for less than the cost of a single Congress seat campaign. Thank you! That's very enlightening. 
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Is Scotland free to join the Kalmar Union yet? 
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DrSunshine posted:I'm a US-person, so forgive me for my ignorance, but I'm rather fascinated by the fact that you have like six parties in your election. I was under the impression that the UK has a first-past-the-post system, so shouldn't that have mathematically caused the system to trend towards having only two? How is it that the smaller parties can still exist and get votes? The reason the US has such a rigid two-party system is the presidential election. It's all-or-nothing so only huge parties can compete. There's no reason why smaller parties couldn't get traction in the US in more local elections, but the presidential one encourages against it. FPTP does benefit larger parties, but it's still possible for smaller parties to make at least a little headway in a parliamentary system.
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It's me, I'm the UKIP to Green swing voter https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390666740099686404
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Is Scotland free to join the Kalmar Union yet? As long as we are not swamped by Death Metal bands. Wandering around our forests, stealing our album covers.
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Crushing Lib Dem victory in Scotland so far. No exit polls so going to extrapolate from here and say Lib Dem majority.
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peanut- posted:It's me, I'm the UKIP to Green swing voter Everyone who's been paying attention knows that a significant number of UKIP/BXP voters were Labour voters finally sick of being ignored and hitting the "gently caress this poo poo I'm out" button, and it's interesting to see where that energy is finding a path to ground across the country.
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Comrade Fakename posted:The reason the US has such a rigid two-party system is the presidential election. It's all-or-nothing so only huge parties can compete. There's no reason why smaller parties couldn't get traction in the US in more local elections, but the presidential one encourages against it. FPTP does benefit larger parties, but it's still possible for smaller parties to make at least a little headway in a parliamentary system. A lot of states have laws that basically institutionalize the two party system and make it harder for 3rd parties to get on the ballot. The populist party of the 1890s was the last time a third party had national success and a lot of the institutional changes made in reaction to that by various states remain in place today.
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Borrovan posted:Yeah this is why I'm just enjoying a hearty lol at all the TIBFJC rather than getting angry. Whatever they say publicly is not reflective of the conversations that are being had behind closed doors. If there's any hope of getting anything resembling a functioning opposition, it needs to start from the loving Blairites admitting that maybe it is in fact not the children who are wrong, and this is pretty loving compelling evidence. The only chance labour have at ever becoming anything even remotely approaching genuine opposition again is less infighting. It's a political party you are all in it together. Even the loving Tories can sometimes manage that. Labour needs to get it's poo poo together, split into sperate parties or hurry up and die so someone else can step in.
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peanut- posted:It's me, I'm the UKIP to Green swing voter Yeah, Hillsborough's a complete Green sweep. https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1390667572119486465?s=21 Looks like their long-predicted surge after the downfall of Corbyn is finally happening.
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, Hillsborough's a complete Green sweep. Can you use terms like long predicted and finally when Corbyn was ousted two years ago? Isn't this literally the first election since he got kicked out?
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DrSunshine posted:I'm a US-person, so forgive me for my ignorance, but I'm rather fascinated by the fact that you have like six parties in your election. I was under the impression that the UK has a first-past-the-post system, so shouldn't that have mathematically caused the system to trend towards having only two? How is it that the smaller parties can still exist and get votes? politics gets involved and confuses otherwise rational people into doing things that are not mathematically optimal
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, Hillsborough's a complete Green sweep. Isn't this a lot to do with the street tree felling thing? Even though it's funny, local politics are local.
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Aramoro posted:Crushing Lib Dem victory in Scotland so far. No exit polls so going to extrapolate from here and say Lib Dem majority. Interesting result though in Banffshire and Buchan Coast which is more rural - SNP hold, but down 10% with CON up 10%, resulting in a 700-vote majority for the SNP (or 2.3%).
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u brexit ukip it posted:Interesting result though in Banffshire and Buchan Coast which is more rural - SNP hold, but down 10% with CON up 10%, resulting in a 700-vote majority for the SNP (or 2.3%). This is good, Tories hoped to take it. SNP candidate is also very pro trans rights.
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peanut- posted:Isn't this a lot to do with the street tree felling thing? Even though it's funny, local politics are local.
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